Verification, 1970 Nova

[HowieZ]

Hey Folks, I need to know if there's a way to verivy the VIN on a supposed 1970 Nova. It has a window sticker that says it was a 6 cylinder, Powerglide car, with a stamp that says "Yenko Racing" or something to that affect. It's Cranberry Red & is being sold with a bill of sale only, no other documentation. I need to know ASAP any info to try & verify this car as a hit, or s***! Please help!!

Thanks!

[ORIGLS6]

Not likely but take a look here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/75999/an/0/page/0#Post75999)

[HowieZ]

Already did, thank you. The wierd thing about this one is the guy who owns it says it was bought by a dealer, sent down to be converted & sold at another dealer other than Yenko Chevy. Does this sound right? It also doesn't have the original engine, however, it is an LT-1. What's it worth without the docs, & restored?

[HowieZ]

What channels do you have to go through to verify the cars authenticity if you do not have anything other than the window sticker & VIN????

[Schonyenko2]

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Already did, thank you. The wierd thing about this one is the guy who owns it says it was bought by a dealer, sent down to be converted & sold at another dealer other than Yenko Chevy. Does this sound right? It also doesn't have the original engine, however, it is an LT-1. What's it worth without the docs, & restored?

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I suggest you post pics of the window sticker, and/or docs you have. The VIN nbr, and trim tag info. When you ask questions about a car that appears to be different from the norm, you need to supply all the pertinent info for folks to try to make an informed judgement.
Without seeing what you have, we are just guessing. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Pics of the car including underhood shots would help too. :

[Kim_Howie]

Look at the Vin# if the third number is not a even # it's a 6 Cyl. car.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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What channels do you have to go through to verify the cars authenticity if you do not have anything other than the window sticker & VIN????

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What are you trying to verify that it is? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[HowieZ]

"Look at the Vin# if the third number is not a even # it's a 6 Cyl. car."

It is a 3. I stated it was a 6 cylinder 2 speed car. The owner stated that it was a car from a dealer that was sent out for a conversion & sold from that dealer, not Don's.

Kinda like the new Hennessey Camaro SS.

Does anyone know if this was done back then?

Also is there a "Yenko Archive" where you can track the cars or VIN'S that were done by him or his dealership?


"What are you trying to verify that it is?"

A Yenko Nova. That is what I'm trying to verify. It looks really close to what it should. The door panel trim that says Yenko looks as old as the car. Subframe connectors look correct, ladder bars, TH 400 with floor shift & rally gage pack, etc... If this is a clone, it's a very believeable clone. I need to know if anyone has the archives to the dynasty, & how to gather more info on this car. Can GM still track a VIN from that era????

[HowieZ]

Called a buddy & found out there is a number to call for these types of things. Now, There were dealers as I understand that sold Yenko products throuought New England, possibly the entire east coast. This leads me to believe this story could indeed have some validity, but also means that this car wouldn't be as valuable as the one's sold from Yenko Chevrolet. I will continue my research & see what I can come up with.

Lastly, What are these cars worth these days? I mean, a clean restored Nova, not necessarily a Yenko Tuned Nova. Just want to know how deep I should swim on this.

[x Baldwin Motion]

Yenko Nova's are not my area, but I've been educated here and believe all the 1970 Yenko Deuce's were factory LT1 COPO cars. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gifSurely the smarter guys can confirm this.

I will never say never about any dealer putting anything under the hood though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[HowieZ]

I thank you for your honesty & efforts XBM. I really have to believe that this guy was crafty enough to market himself & his product in a way that sent a wave of demand his way back then & may have used all means to meet supply, however, I also believe that there are some pretty crafty restorer's out there that could actually fabricate this situation, right down to the window sticker.

I guess I'll take my chances on this one. I don't think I'll do badly.

[Schonyenko2]

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Called a buddy & found out there is a number to call for these types of things. Now, There were dealers as I understand that sold Yenko products throuought New England, possibly the entire east coast. This leads me to believe this story could indeed have some validity

Yenko had a dealer network in many states, not just the East coast. There has been some speculation that possibly some 67 6 cyl camaros were converted, but I think it was speculation only. Most conversions at least started with a 12 bolt turbo 400/Muncie 4spd, and V8.
I'd again ask what the window sticker with the Yenko conversion shows, by posting a picture.
Without documents that verify it was converted, and a owner history, and verification, you have a 6 cyl Nova worth maybe 2500.00-10K depending on what's there, and condition of the sheet metal. FWIW

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

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I thank you for your honesty & efforts XBM. I really have to believe that this guy was crafty enough to market himself & his product in a way that sent a wave of demand his way back then & may have used all means to meet supply, however, I also believe that there are some pretty crafty restorer's out there that could actually fabricate this situation, right down to the window sticker.

I guess I'll take my chances on this one. I don't think I'll do badly.

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Proceed carefully.

The bottom line is that the 175 Yenko Deuce Novas in 1970 were all LT1 cars that were COPO'd that way from GM.

Your speculation that there was such a demand that Yenko might have scrambled to produce more by any means (ie; a 6/glide car) is quite flawed. Although Yenko and his dealer network (from Brockton, MA to Columbus, GA to Whichata, KS to Fargo, ND) had early success selling the Deuces, many of them languished on dealer lots well into '71 (including Yenko's lot). So, there was no need to convert a 6 banger.

However, if (this is a huge 'if') certain codes on the trim tag line up, there is a remote possibility that the car you are looking at might have spent time on Yenko's lot. If you supply the TT data (don't worry about the vin#, you can keep that secret if it makes you sleep better), we'll tell you if it's a noteworthy car.

Don't be fooled by the age/condition of some of the Yenko trinkets on the car. These things have been in repro for a few decades now, and they are not high quality (neither were the original YENKO trinkets) and can look aged quite quickly.

Best of luck. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Schonyenko2]

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I thank you for your honesty & efforts XBM. I really have to believe that this guy was crafty enough to market himself & his product in a way that sent a wave of demand his way back then & may have used all means to meet supply, however, I also believe that there are some pretty crafty restorer's out there that could actually fabricate this situation, right down to the window sticker.

I guess I'll take my chances on this one. I don't think I'll do badly.

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Proceed carefully.

The bottom line is that the 175 Yenko Deuce Novas in 1970 were all LT1 cars that were COPO'd that way from GM.

Your speculation that there was such a demand that Yenko might have scrambled to produce more by any means (ie; a 6/glide car) is quite flawed. Although Yenko and his dealer network (from Brockton, MA to Columbus, GA to Whichata, KS to Fargo, ND) had early success selling the Deuces, many of them languished on dealer lots well into '71 (including Yenko's lot). So, there was no need to convert a 6 banger.

However, if (this is a huge 'if') certain codes on the trim tag line up, there is a remote possibility that the car you are looking at might have spent time on Yenko's lot. If you supply the TT data (don't worry about the vin#, you can keep that secret if it makes you sleep better), we'll tell you if it's a noteworthy car.

Don't be fooled by the age/condition of some of the Yenko trinkets on the car. These things have been in repro for a few decades now, and they are not high quality (neither were the original YENKO trinkets) and can look aged quite quickly.

Best of luck. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

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Now if it was just fathom blue. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[sYc]

Hum..... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[HowieZ]

Thank You YDR. Every word is crystal clear to me except for one, the "TT Data". What is it & where do I look for it on the car?

Here is a pic.

[Schonyenko2]

Trim tag plate (TT) drivers side firewall, behind where the power brake booster would be.

[HowieZ]

Gotcha. I figured that out after visiting other websites & viewing the TT discussions. I will get all the info & post it.

Thanks Guys!

[PeteLeathersac]

Also keep in mind the possibility of the car being built from real parts scavenged off an original Deuce that was beyond repair?.
If so it looks as if at least the Vin wasn't jumped but compare the TT to Vin in respect to them belonging together or not?.

Good luck w/ everything HowieZ...and welcome aboard!.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

Is this the Nova that was on Ebay?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

There are some obvious differences that are evident in the pic, but nothing that conclusively disqualifies it. The Trim Tag info is crucial.

I see the window sticker hangin there in the window. Don't be fooled by that either, as I've seen plenty 'blanks' from back in the day that people will use to 'authenticate' a given car. I can usually pick a fake out in about 1 second since I've studied them extensively for my own repro window sticker effort!

Keep searching - go Blue! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Xplantdad]

Click HERE! (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320433885132&ssPageNam e=ADME:X:RTQ:MOTORS:1123 )

I think this is the same car?

[HowieZ]

Yes.