67 Caprice 427 - Any thoughts?

[Shevelle]

We just ran across this car, a 67 Caprice 427 with column auto. It has been in storage for the past 20 years. Still owned by the original owner who is ready to part with it. While I'm not normally attracted to this kind of car, I find this one to be strangely appealing due to it's unique color combo (Royal Plum w/Plum interior), originality, and of course the 427. But I have no idea of how to place a value on it. It was dark when we looked at it and it is stored in a dimmly lit storage bldg so we will go back armed with more light. The owner said the motor has never been out, which appears to be true. It is covered in dust so it is hard to tell if the paint is in fact original as the owner said it was. The interior looks perfect, just dusty. From what we could see, the undercarriage looks solid with just surface rust. The car has been in the dry SW all its life and has 47k miles. Owner didn't think they had any paperwork, but there was a pile of stuff in the glove box and I wouldn't be surprised to find the POP in there and a buildsheet somewhere. Any thoughts on what a fair offer might be on something like this? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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PS: This nice little T-Bird was there too. We are going back today to look again..if anyone knows someone that might be interested I will take a closer look at it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


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[L78M22Rag]

Nice find! I sent you a pm...

[Postsedan]

Jacquie,

I just tried calling you.

Dan.

[al8apex]

beautiful Caprice, go for it!

[njsteve]

Is that the ultra rare, factory installed, rats' nest under the air cleaner? (Has to be a rats' nest since it's a big block - only the small blacks got the mouse nests) http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Neat car with a great color combination. Buy it now!

[GTO_DON]

I sold last year the twin to this car {Royal plum/plum interior except mine was just a 283 car and I have a Plum SS 427 car now. Im really into these plum cars. Plum interior was only offered in the caprice line and is very rare. That looks like a cool car. I got 10k for mine so we know this car is north of that at least. go for it. I know that id love to have it next to my 427 car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif The only thing that looks wrong is the air cleaner.

[Shevelle]

Looks like she is wanting 30k....I'm guessing that's waaay too much. I'll just have to try to talk her down..

[Postsedan]

$30K is way too much for that car.... keep pressing and good luck!

If she was smart she`d call the artist formerly known as "Prince" LOL.

Dan.

[Shevelle]

Well, had a good look. Orig motor, orig paint, POP. Owner wouldn't take less than 25k, so I'm on my way home empty-handed. It was a really cool car!. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[GTO_DON]

Sorry you didnt get it but to tell you the truth from my stand point I dont think 25k for that car is out of line. Its still a real 427 car in rare colors. the only thing that kills it for me is the chick stick and bench seat. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gifHe should have never showed you the car looking like that. Thats what makes it look cheap.

[CC Rider]

[ QUOTE ]
I sold last year the twin to this car {Royal plum/plum interior except mine was just a 283 car and I have a Plum SS 427 car now. Im really into these plum cars. Plum interior was only offered in the caprice line and is very rare. That looks like a cool car. I got 10k for mine so we know this car is north of that at least. go for it. I know that id love to have it next to my 427 car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif The only thing that looks wrong is the air cleaner.

[/ QUOTE ]

Was that 283 car for sale @ Carlisle? Was it parked next to one of the pavilions?

That was a real nice car.

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
Looks like she is wanting 30k....I'm guessing that's waaay too much. I'll just have to try to talk her down..

[/ QUOTE ]

$30k for the two cars is in the ballpark ...

[Tarrytown SS427s]

If you get a chance to see the car again could you snap a picture of the vin, cowl tag, and POP? Like Don said this is a very rare car and I would like to add the numbers to my database. I don't think the seller is far off with a price of $25,000 if the car is as original as she says, but the bench and auto is definitely going to hold it back a little.
Steve

[galveston]

Is the Caprice a two door or four?
Is the T-Bird restored or original?

[Shevelle]

If I go back it will mean that I caved in and went back to pick it up. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif All I have now is a photo of the vin but if I do get the chance I'll get the others for you.

The Caprice is a Two-Door.
The TBird was semi-restored. Top has been painted, seats have been recovered, AC and radiator have been added, engine is correct replacement. I have more photos of it.

[Xplantdad]

Jacquie...tell everyone what else you bought http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Chttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gifL piece especially in the plum Chttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gifLhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gifR..
Before doing the deal it may be worth noting the build plant as there's always a chance it's a Canadian built car and documents available from GM Canada Vintage Services if so..

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~ Pete

[Shevelle]

You mean this old thing with the 409?

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Ha! It's a 409 now...not so sure it's always been one. We still have to figure that out. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Either way it was a cool ride so we drug it home. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[Xplantdad]

That's the one! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

What a cool car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

Get with Verne Frantz...he'll let you know what to look for http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
Get with Verne Frantz...he'll let you know what to look for http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Excellent advice from Bruce! Looks like a cool car, Jacquie http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Same w/ the '62 as mentioned previously regarding the '67, always take note as quickly as possible of the build plant of these big Chevys..
It's not often it comes up but depending on each different plant's ability to supply models w/ specific options quickly, satisfying demand sometimes necessitated Canadian production units being shipped to US dealers..
Regardless of the location of the production plant or ordering dealer, besides Canadian produced cars delivered in Canada being documentable today, <u>cars originally shipped either in or out of Canada</u> usually had their Vins and options recorded resulting in documents for those Vins available from GM Canada Vintage Services today too..

Cool cars Jacquie!. (both the Chevys...not the T-Bird)

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~ Pete

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I like real cars best...the REAL real ones!

[427TJ]

That '67 is cool for its colors alone. The 427 only adds icing to the cake. I'll bet plum-color interior pieces and material is kinda' hard to come by though. Hopefully it's all there.

[Shevelle]

Thanks for the info on the Canadian cars, Pete. That's good stuff to know!

I'm probably going to have to just take my licks and go back after that Caprice. I don't really know why, but I just want it! Heck, I'll get $1000 worth of enjoyment out of it just cleaning it up and seeing what we've got under all that dirt. All that purple interior appears to be there and intact. The only thing I saw that needed attention was the chrome around the drivers seat. I'm definately not going to get rich reselling it...unless....Dan? You got Prince's number?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

The 62...it's no 409 car. We took it out of the fumigation tank and looked it over a little. Just a nice SS Ragtop with 409 badging and some kind of a 409 setup. Looks like the low mileage could be acurate, mostly original paint and interior. The block is puzzling...the suffix code is 5J. What is that? The only casting we have been able to find so far is CFD on the back of the block - which I assume is Central Foundry Division?? We will look harder for casting numbers today. It will make someone a nice 409 wannabe driver to enjoy and take to local shows. Here's a picture of it getting a bath. Hope that Caprice cleans up as nicely! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

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Here's the engine compartment. 340hp - wasn't that in 63??

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The trim tag and deck stamp.

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5J - What could that be? Maybe a truck motor?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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[MultiMopars]

To each his own.

I have not kept up on the values of GM full size body cars so I could be totlally out of line here. I also think that you could buy a 1967 427/385 Implala SS car for the same or less than the price of the subject car here. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

In the Mopar world we refer to the full sized cars
(C bodies) as "sea" bodies, land yacths, or barges.

They don't hold anywhere near the values of the intermediates or smaller bodied cars with the same engines.

You can buy a 67 Coronet R/T with a factory 440/375 engine for $25k all day long.

[Smokey]

December 2 of some year. I could see if it was a QJ, that would mean truck.


What is the casting numbers on the back of the block?? And head numbers? It would be worth pulling a valve cover to see.

[PeteLeathersac]

Although I don't know the 5J Suffix, some Canadian cars had unique Suffixes and we've discussed them here briefly in the past..
Most were Numeric/Numeric but some were an Alpha/Numeric mix..
The Gibb Novas had an Alpha/Numeric Suffix too!.

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~ Pete

[RPOLS3]

Looks like a nice car

Trim# 815 = Black SS Convertible (bucket seat)
Paint#948 = Honduras Maroon

You are correct, 340 HP is 63-4, 380 HP in 1962

Here is a link on other identifying characteristics of a 409 from the 348-409 site.

http://www.348-409.com/348409identify.html

The most obvious is the fuel line, is it routed outside or inside of the passenger upper control arm pivot?

Verne - correct me if I am wrong here on anything.

Jake

[Xplantdad]

There's a spider by the trim tag! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Jacquie...the car looks great. Go and haggle with the lady for the 427 car... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Shevelle]

There are spiders everywhere Bruce! But they are all dead spiders now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I'm not scared of dead spiders....but what I AM scared of is that lady with the 427!! She's a fiesty one...and one quite capable of kicking my a**...which just might happen if I try to do any more haggling with her. She said FIRM and I do believe she meant it! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I followed the link you provided Jake and I see a couple of things that would rule the 62 out as being originally a 409 car...It's an automatic and doesn't have a tach. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif As soon as we are able to get the casting numbers and head numbers I will post them and hopefully you guys can help us figure out what motor it is. Did the 62's normally have a buildsheet somewhere??

[CC Rider]

Nice '62!

Buy the '67! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[GTO_DON]

[ QUOTE ]
To each his own.

I have not kept up on the values of GM full size body cars so I could be totlally out of line here. I also think that you could buy a 1967 427/385 Implala SS car for the same or less than the price of the subject car here. Someone correct me if I am wrong.

In the Mopar world we refer to the full sized cars
(C bodies) as "sea" bodies, land yacths, or barges.

They don't hold anywhere near the values of the intermediates or smaller bodied cars with the same engines.

You can buy a 67 Coronet R/T with a factory 440/375 engine for $25k all day long.

[/ QUOTE ] I dont know of any 427 cars out there right now that can be bought for that money. SS 396 Impalas are going for 25k if they have low miles and a POP. The royal plum part of the car also adds value in my opinion and its just my opinion. I sold a 66 ss Impala with a non matching 396 in it for 24k 5 months ago.It was a 4 speed but this is a nicer car with better options.

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Weird suffix.. Maybe this was a truck or marine block. It has definitely been repainted, so possibly somebody pieced the engine together.
Steve

[Shevelle]

Well, I may be Plum crazy...but it's a done deal, the Caprice is moving to Oklahoma! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

congrats!! pictures WITH dust first!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Postsedan]

Jacquie,

Nice! pics, pics, pics! The car is going to a good new home!

Dan.

[Rixls6]

Congrats Jacquie. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif
Like you said, half the fun is the clean up after the buy.
Look forward to the pics.

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
Well, I may be Plum crazy...but it's a done deal, the Caprice is moving to Oklahoma! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


LOL...See, I told you! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Congrats! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif

[Tarrytown SS427s]

I wonder if the car has the original Delco Pliacells, since it has F41. That would be pretty neat. Congrats on the purchase! I'm happy to see that another 427 car is coming out of the woodwork. I would be happy to decode the whole car out for you if you would like.
Steve

[Shevelle]

Thanks everyone! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

I'll be sure to post dirty pics ... before she gets a bath.

Thanks for the offer to decode Steve, I just might take you up on that. Here are a couple of blown-up pics of shocks. Can you tell from these if they are Pliacells? What is F41 option?

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[SS427]

Congratulations Jacquie. This car was discussed at the MCACN a couple of weeks ago and I think my guestimate on value was right in line with what this lady was asking especially with that color combination. That will be stunning when cleaned up. Glad you ended up with it. Can't wait to see the progress photos. Cool ride! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]


I followed the link you provided Jake and I see a couple of things that would rule the 62 out as being originally a 409 car...It's an automatic and doesn't have a tach.

[/ QUOTE ]

an automatic and no tach is not a "no go" for the low HP 409

the 409 had a unique radiator that had a
"slant" to the top of the tank

[Tarrytown SS427s]

[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for the offer to decode Steve, I just might take you up on that. Here are a couple of blown-up pics of shocks. Can you tell from these if they are Pliacells? What is F41 option?

[/ QUOTE ]

They look like the could be pliacells. but it is difficult to tell without a clearer picture or the number itself. Pliacells were not spiral shocks, and the ones in the picture definitely appear to be Delcos but not spirals. F41 (RPO F41) is the Special purpose suspension option. This gave you a heavier front sway bar and added a rear sway bar which was visible in one of your pictures.
Steve

[Shevelle]

[ QUOTE ]


an automatic and no tach is not a "no go" for the low HP 409

the 409 had a unique radiator that had a
"slant" to the top of the tank

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif While researching the 62, we ran across this this on Wikipedia. Because it was on Wiki, we took it with a grain of salt...until you made the above post:

The 1962 model featured new "C" pillar styling for all models except the 4-door hardtop "Sport Sedan." Sport Coupe models now featured the "convertible roof" styling, shared with other GM "B" full-size hardtop coupes. This style proved extremely popular, and contributed to the desirability of the '62-'64 Impalas as collectibles. The "overhang" roof style of the sedans was replaced with a more attractive, wider "C" pillar with wraparound rear window.<font color="blue"> Engine choices for '62 settled down, the 348-cubic-inch (5.7 L) V8 discontinued and replaced by the 340 brake horsepower (250 kW) 409-cubic-inch (6.7 L), which could be ordered with any transmission.</font> The small-block 283 was enlarged to 327 cubic inches (5.4 L), which added more engine choices for small-block fans. The Beach Boys produced a hit single, "409," referring to the Chevy, which became an iconic song for these cars.

So maybe it could really be a 409 car? Glenn has been crawling all over it and has been saying all along that it just doesn't look like the engine has been out. We figured that it must have...because of the funky deck stamp suffix, the automatic, the tach. LOL - This info lit a fire under Glenn's butt...he's on his way now to get casting numbers and pop the valve covers.

BTW...The radiator does have a slant to it. It slants to the the front (lower in the front). Is that the correct slant you mention??

[MultiMopars]

I had a 64 Impala SS 409/340 with console powerslide. The car was sold new at Rudolph Chevrolet in Phoenix, AZ. The car was loaded with options and was supposedly ordered as a dealer demo.

[RPOLS3]

Radiator should have (2) indented 5 sided markings on top tank.

No tach if automatic.

Where does fuel line run?

I believe casting # for 62 block is #3788068(both 409 and 380 HP)
I believe heads should be #3814690 (both 409 and 380 HP)

Again - Verne is the expert I might be incorrect.

Jake

[Shevelle]

I'm waiting to get the casting numbers before contacting Verne for some help. He is having a hard time finding them. The radiator does have the indentions. Here are some photos of the fuel line...can you tell anything from them?

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[RPOLS3]

Radiator looks correct. I should have said (2) 6 sided indentations not 5 - my mistake.

Fuel line looks like it runs outboard which would be correct as well. I have also heard that all V8 dual exhaust cars ran the fuel line outboard though.

If nothing else it has many of the correct features - but it is certainly looking like it might be real? If you run the VIN# on the 348-409 site decoder it will tell you some more information. Trim tag only indicates if it is an SS or not (which yours was confirmed as an SS). That's part of the problem with older cars, not much hard proof without any owner history or real paperwork.

Looks like an outstanding car regardless - and if a real 409 then that is icing on the cake. Good luck.

Jake

[Shevelle]

Thanks for the info Jake. The vin 21867F decoded as:

Your car is a: 1962 Impala 8 cylinder convertible built in Flint, MI

[RPOLS3]

So from all this we know that it was orignally a V8, SS, convertible, Maroon with black buckets. Everything checks out there.

With a little more investigation maybe even a real 409 car. Sweet find.

Jake

[Xplantdad]

[ QUOTE ]
So from all this we know that it was orignally a V8, SS, convertible, Maroon with black buckets. Everything checks out there.

With a little more investigation maybe even a real 409 car. Sweet find.

Jake

[/ QUOTE ]


With numbers matching spiders http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[novadude]

All '62 409s were solid lifter engines - 380hp or 409hp. No Powerglide with the '09 until '63 when they introduced the hyd lifter 340hp.

[Jonesy]

I would take that 67 all day at that price. You got a nice car for the price and a 427 car to boot. Post some more pics of that!!
Im glad you bought it otherwise I was hooking up the trailer and getting ready for a road trip. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[al8apex]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]


an automatic and no tach is not a "no go" for the low HP 409

the 409 had a unique radiator that had a
"slant" to the top of the tank

[/ QUOTE ]


BTW...The radiator does have a slant to it. It slants to the the front (lower in the front). Is that the correct slant you mention??

[/ QUOTE ]

correct

[Shevelle]

[ QUOTE ]
All '62 409s were solid lifter engines - 380hp or 409hp. No Powerglide with the '09 until '63 when they introduced the hyd lifter 340hp.

[/ QUOTE ]

We are getting so much conflicting info on this car. I'll be happy to get all the weddings, funerals http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif, and business glitches out of the way so we can start digging through this car. So many things make it look like a real 409 car, yet some say there's no way it could be because of the tranny and some say the opposite. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif So far we have found it to have the right radiator, the right fuel line routing, the little white ceramic box on the firewall (don't remember what that's called), the right front shocks. One thing I think I haven't mentioned yet is that the people we bought it from bought it 30 years ago and have had it in storage for the last 20. It only has 16k miles and has original interior and paint. Even the exhaust looks original and it still has the paper tags on the springs. Looks like it was seldom, if ever, driven in the rain. Once we get that Caprice out of there tomorrow http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif I will reveal some info on who it is that owned these cars. I have a feeling a lot of you might know of him. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[MosportGreen66]

Ballast resistor?

[Shevelle]

[ QUOTE ]
Ballast resistor?

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes, that's it. Thank you!

[RPOLS3]

According to the site below - no automatic with any 409 in 1962. I learned something here myself, I did not know that the 380 HP engine was a solid lifter engine in 1962. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

http://www.oldride.com/library/1962_chevrolet_bel_air.html
(Thanks to my Dad for the information and the link)

No comments from Verne yet?!

Jake

[Verne_Frantz]

I've been following along but waiting for the casting number from the block before commenting. It's definitely not an original '62 passenger car 409. The 5J suffix doesn't show up in any of my literature. QJ was a 252hp truck motor though, so perhaps its a glitch and the 5 is just a place holder or a mistake.
The CFD on the back of the block is Central Foundry Division. They started casting blocks in mid-'62. All CFD casting use julian date coding, so there should be a number from 1 to 365 on the bellhousing flange.
It's not normal to find a build sheet in a Los Angeles '62, but I'd look in the rear seat back springs first, then possibly glued to the top of the instrument cluster (above the speedo). Also pull the rear ash trays out and look inside the upholstered panel for one.
Correct that all '62 409s were solid lifter motors and not offered with a Powerglide. That alone might be the only answer you need, providing you're sure the 'glide is original, and not converted for "Mom" from a stick.
Check that ballast resistor and the harness for it. A repro harness will have solder dipped terminals. An original won't.
The fuel line appears to be the correct type, but looks new. That 3/8th line routed under the A arm was also used on all 327 cars.
Back to the Powerglide: '62 was the first year for the alum 'glide and it's a one year only 'glide. Rather than having assembly numbers stamped on the pan, they're stamped in the aluminum bottom flange in front of the pan. If those dates agree with the build date of the car, its a pretty sure bet it's the original which means no orig. 409.
As for the indentations in the radiator top tank, they came with and without them. Full sized Buicks from that era used the same Harrison top tank, only the Buicks had bolts soldered upside down in those hexes for the fan shield to attach to. The hex tops had to be separated out for the Buick radiators, but both types found there way onto Chevy radiators. (it didn't matter)
As for the exhaust appearing original, the 300hp 327 would use the exact same exhaust as the 409. (heads pipes and all). Also, if it's original, the head pipes are welded to the mufflers (one piece)

BY the way, the base trans for the '62 409s was the 3-spd (column) and you didn't get the tach.

Neat car. Great colors, SS convertible, low mileage and solid.

Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Shevelle]

Hi Verne http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Thank you for the additional info on what to look for. Looks like it is what we originally thought...an Impala SS Convertible but not an original 409. Most of the drivetrain is looking like it is 1964. In addition to that, the new things you said to look for...Exhaust is not welded, ballast resistor has solder, not converted from manual trans. And here's the numbers:

Block 3844422 - 324 - X
Heads 3819333 - GM3 - CFD - 289
Intake 3767578
Trans Pan C0904N
Trans Tail 3789080
Rear GM T3 - 3726899 - E2366
Carb 01-552 - 6-1518
Alternator! 1102174 - 1E17

Still a cool car, but I don't think we are going to be retiring any time soon... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

Oh, yeah...and http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BruceRocks.gif too! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Shevelle]

The Caprice is in Oklahoma http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif She's still in the trailer (going through the spider extermination process http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif) Thought I'd share a couple of pictures of her out in the sunlight and going in the trailer....

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c295/imnokla/67%20Caprice%20427/cominghome01.jpg

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c295/imnokla/67%20Caprice%20427/cominghome02.jpg

And here's one of me with the original owner, Sue Hardy. Although she doesn't look like it in this pic, she was a little sad to see the old gal go. We talked about ordering the car new and how the dealer at Valley Chev in Roswell, NM told her how rare the interior would be... and she had some very interesting stories... about how she used to drive the car to the drag strip where her husband, Don, was every weekend, about the racing days in places like Carlsbad, KC and Indy, and about how she would like me to get a message to Helen letting her know "Sue says Hi" http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif.

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Steve, can you decode the Protecto Plate for me??
BTW...Anyone around here ever heard of her husband - I mean ex--husband?? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif


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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just kiddin' - I know you have. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[budnate]

Must be the one and only Don Hardy, used his kit to build a V-8 Vega waaaay back when. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[CC Rider]

Sure are a lot of hand prints on that car!

Thanks for posting these pictures, great story. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[67Z24rag]

Jacquie, looks COLD down there in Texas ! WOW what a find ! Cant wait to see it clean !!


Jon.

[kwhizz]

Jacquie................Perfect Power Tour Car...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BruceRocks.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/HollyRocks.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BruceRocks.gif

[Xplantdad]

I agree! Don Hardy's old cars...how cool! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Tarrytown SS427s]

Jacquie,
Here is a breakdown:

P - Interior color, Plum

M2 - Royal Plum exterior with black vinyl top

VIN - 43,783 vehicle out of the Arlington, TX plant

C - Cater 4BBL Carb

T0130IJ - 427/385 with TH400 tranny, assembled Jan 30, 1967 Tonawanda NY

ER - 2:73 Open rear axle assembled December 3, 1966, possibly with Metallic Brakes.

P - Assembly month code, February

67B329 - Turbo 400 (B=427) built 329th day of 1966

3 - Power Steering/Brakes
5 - AM/FM Radio
1 - Factory A/C
1 - Power Windows

Being that this car is built in Arlington, a BOP plant, there is a great chance you will find a broadcast sheet in one of the seats, but the best place to look is the back seat, as they have been found there several times.

Steve

[sYc]

Don Hardy was a well known chassis buidler, built cars for the likes of Dick Harrell, Kelly Chadwick, and many others, and yes, the man behind many, many Vega kits. I believe even Joel Rosen used some of his parts.

Sue is a very interesting person to talk to about the good old days of racing. We had a couple of nice visits when I was researching my funny car.

[Shevelle]

Yes, it was COLD in the panhandle of Texas where there wasn't so much as a twig to block that North Wind! Sue was freaking out on the guys for making fingerprints in the dust. They told her to stop chastising them and get her hands dirty and start pushing.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Steve, thanks for decoding the POP. I will get a photo of the vin, deck stamp and trim tag and Monday will pull the back seat and see if we can find that buildsheet.

Tom, Sue told us about Don selling the funny car. Said the gentleman he sold it to didn't quite get all the info about the car he wanted out of Don, so he took her out to dinner to hear what she remembered about it. We wondered if that could have been you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Ken, great idea! Once we get her all cleaned up and get that AC working the Caprice would be a killer power tour car! Way more fun than Glenns 502 Camaro that we figured we would have to use. I hate riding in that thing because the only way he seems to know to drive it is sideways! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

I plan to hang on to the Caprice and enjoy it for a while. I'm really looking forward starting the clean-up. The trunk lock is frozen and we haven't been in there yet. Maybe we will find some Christmas presents hiding there! We found a like new 64-66 wood wheel in the trunk of the Impala. Glenn wants to go ahead and sell the Impala but would first like to talk to Don and see if he is the one that put the 409 stuff in it and learn a little more about it...but Sue didn't think he would be too receptive. I don't think he was happy about losing his cars. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[RichSchmidt]

Calling Don Hardy a guy who makes Vega kits is like calling Grumpy Jenkins a guy who rebuilds engines.He built tube chassis race cars for the biggest names in the sport back in the 70's.

[Shevelle]

Here's a few pics for those of you who wanted to see the Caprice cleaned up. She's looking good http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Body looks really nice - just a few scratches and dings here and there and lacquer checking, mostly on the hood. Haven't got started on the interior yet...busy time of year to get much done. Got the trunk lid opened and tried to lift the mat to see what we had going on under there. Bad news is the mat shattered, like glass, into a hundred pieces http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif It didn't look like it had ever been moved, but the good news was just normal surface rust underneath. Got all the fluids changed and as soon as we get a couple of hoses we'll fire her up!

We talked to Don too...nice guy! He had some cool stories to share. He said the car did 90 better than 70 out on the highway and that he got plenty of speeding tickets to prove it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Sorry the photos are taken inside...but it was toooo cold to push her back out for a photo shoot!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

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[mockingbird812]

Nice ride Jacquie! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[SS427]

Damn nice! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Postsedan]

Jacquie,

Love it! Congrats, glad the car is in good hands!

I sent you a pm.

Dan.

[njsteve]

Hey, what did you do with the rodent nest from under the air cleaner?

PETA is going to be mad at you! That was an indigenous, endangered species habitat you destroyed!

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/no.gif

[Shevelle]

Not to worry. We left it behind..tucked away in the corner of the shed where we found it. Its endangered inhabitants should be able to find it when they come out of hiding. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[kwhizz]

[ QUOTE ]
Not to worry. We left it behind..tucked away in the corner of the shed where we found it. Its endangered inhabitants should be able to find it when they come out of hiding. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[/ QUOTE ]


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Looks like you made a Good Choice http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[CC Rider]

[ QUOTE ]


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[/ QUOTE ]

Jacquie, the Caprice looks GREAT!

BTW, my buddy is a big Heavy Chevy enthusiast, and I spy a green one in the background. What can you tell me about it? He's not looking to buy, just keeps an unofficial registry of them.

[Shevelle]

The HC is going to BJ Scottsdale. Here are some pics and info. Send someone out there to bid on it!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Heavy Chevy (http://www.cantweightclassics.com/heavychevy.html)

[Xplantdad]

As others have said...the car looks great! Bring it to Scottsdale so we can cruise around http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

[ QUOTE ]
As others have said...the car looks great! Bring it to Scottsdale so we can cruise around http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/headbang.gif Very cool. Bring it to Sag Harbor as long as the heater works!!

[CC Rider]

[ QUOTE ]
As others have said...the car looks great! Bring it to Scottsdale so we can cruise around http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be fun. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Shevelle]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
As others have said...the car looks great! Bring it to Scottsdale so we can cruise around http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

That would be fun. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Yes it would! If there's an empty spot in the trailer we just might do it.

If you'll wear this Bruce, we might even let you drive. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c295/imnokla/Forums/pimpin02.jpg

[Bill Pritchard]

[ QUOTE ]
If you'll wear this Bruce, we might even let you drive. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c295/imnokla/Forums/pimpin02.jpg

[/ QUOTE ]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

Yup, Bruce would look mighty sharp in that fedora!

[CC Rider]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[Xplantdad]

Bring the hat and the car http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

I just knew you'd wear it Bruce if they let you drive the Caprice! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[Xplantdad]

Hey....I'll be stylin' and chauffeurin'.... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[mssl72]

Hark! What's that?!?! Do I hear rumblings of a purple 427 Caprice!!! I must have it! And bring that hat with it!!!

http://i46.tinypic.com/10cj5vc.jpg

[Postsedan]

Purple Bruce, Purple Bruce!

Dan.

[1969grb]

Jacquie, Thought you might be interested. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayIS...e=STRK:MEWAX:IT (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=350293298844&amp;ssPageNam e=STRK:MEWAX:IT)

Grady http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[Shevelle]

Those would be perfect! Do you know what they mean by this: "Front mat is one piece with a trim line on the back for Bucket Seats"? Does that mean they can be used for bench seat...or cut for use with buckets??

I guess I need to find an air cleaner too. Nice thing about a survivor, at least I don't have to hunt down (and pay for) NOS! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Thanks Grady! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[1969grb]

Jacquie, That is correct. Could be used for a bench seat or buckets with console.


Grady

[Tarrytown SS427s]

You're going to have a blast finding the 427 air cleaner:)

[PeteLeathersac]

[ QUOTE ]
You're going to have a blast finding the 427 air cleaner:)

[/ QUOTE ]

I was reading this old thread recently that may be of some help on the L36 air cleaner issue..

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/25196/page/494/fpart/all/vc/1

Is the attachment pic in the first post w/ single large size snorkle exiting the driver's side what's correct for this '67 L36 w/ A/C application?.
If so I wonder what Casey used on the '68 as I thought his was an L72 car so may be worth asking him if he still has that single snorkle unit he posted the pics of?.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
~ Pete

--------------------
I like real cars best...especially the REAL real ones!

[Shevelle]

Thanks Pete...that is indeed the correct air cleaner for the Caprice.

[Shevelle]

Final update on the Caprice...

It's going back to Don Hardy. He asked me to sell it back to him. Didn't want to, but what else could I do...it's only right. He will be coming to pick it up in a few days. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Oh well, maybe he will let me get a picture with him and the car to remember it by. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

So Bruce, good thing I kept the receipt on that purple fedora, doesn't look like you'll be needing it. We'll have to go back to Plan A, your blue beast. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

I don't get this...if Don didn't want to sell the car, then why did he? You paid his asking price, hauled the car home at your own expense, and cleaned the car up very nicely. It is a very nice gesture on your part Jacquie but you owe Don nothing. Personally, if it were me, I'd tell Don that's too bad, I paid you a fair price for the car and I'm keeping it. Apparently I'm not as nice of a person as you are Jacquie! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[Shevelle]

Randy, Don lost the car in divorce. I bought it from his ex (who by the way, is most likely not going to be happy when she finds out he got it back). This was Don's opportunity to get his car back.

[Xplantdad]

Randy, Jacquie bought the car from Don's ex-wife...who doesn't like Don very much right now....



That's a cool thing you did Jacquie http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

Oops, too late. You are too quick Jacquie! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Is this the gal that you were afraid was going to beat you up Jacquie? When she finds out you sold the car back to her ex, she may :-) Keep an eye over your shoulder Jacquie! BTW...I think it's really nice of you to do this....I didn't know the whole story I guess....reluctantly, I'd probably do the same thing so I guess I am as nice of a person as you are http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Shevelle]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I don't think I said I was afraid she WAS going to beat me up...rather that I feared she COULD if I tried to beat her down any further on price! But yeah, thank goodness she doesn't know where I live!

[SS427]

You did the right thing Jacquie. You made some money, made some friends, had a great excursion and sold a car back to it's original owner who just happens to be famous. Kudos to you! Don called me last week and seemed like a very nice and down to earth guy. Unfortunately I had a customer in the shop so I did not get a chance to reminisce with him about our pro stock racing days in the early 80's. I don't think you should have any regrets. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worship.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

I love a story with a happy ending!

[al8apex]

was the 409 his too?

[Shevelle]

Yes it was. Don made it a 409 many years ago.

[al8apex]

is he buying that back too:?

[Shevelle]

No. Both the cars are in the same storage bldg so he will see it when he picks up the Caprice. Ya never know I guess.

[markjohnson]

Jacquie, that was a very nice gesture to sell the Caprice back to Mr. Hardy. Very nice, indeed. He had to be attached to it after 42 years of ownership and to lose it after what seems to be a nasty divorce had to have been heartbreaking. I would hate to go through something like that. Anyway, 'ya did good and made a new friend!

[SS427]

[ QUOTE ]
Anyway, 'ya did good and made a new friend!

[/ QUOTE ]

Gee Jacquie, where have you heard that one before. Only difference is, I added and 's' to the end of friend. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Shevelle]

[ QUOTE ]
Jacquie, that was a very nice gesture to sell the Caprice back to Mr. Hardy. Very nice, indeed.

[/ QUOTE ]

Whoa, hold on a minute...I'm not so sure I'm THAT nice! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif I didn't give it up so easily...I bought that car because I loved it and wanted it! He had to call back several times before he totally convinced me. It would have been hard to say no to any original owner wanting their car back...but Don being who he is made it even more difficult.

Everyone's happy...Don will be reunited with his car that he thought he would never see again...and the whole process of finding the car covered with dust, discovering who it belonged to, checking out all the originality of the car, finding the cool POP in the glovebox, cleaning it up, meeting and talking to Don and Sue, as well as new friendships made (you're right Rick, more than one http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif) at SYC and TC with people who advised me throughtout the whole ordeal...has been priceless. It has been a fun and exciting experience, and it's not over yet...I still get to look forward to meeting Don face to face over lunch when he comes to get his Caprice! How Chttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifL is that!!

[markjohnson]

Man, I'm jeaous! Don Hardy is a living legend and lunch with him would be a day I'd never forget! He built so many famous cars for so many famous racers, that I don't know where to even start. I was just reading an old, late-70's Car Craft magazine about how quickly he constructed Bob Glidden's first all-conquering Ford Fairmont at the same time he was finishing Dyno Don Nicholson's Fairmont. I mean, he totally constructed TWO state-of-the-art Pro Stockers in something like less than two weeks! Neat guy that's had an astonishing career in Drag Racing.