1968 Z/28 garage find

[fbirdguy]

I guess this would be considered a garage find. It was parked here by the current (third) owner in 1991. It has 67k orig miles and is supposed to have original paint and interior. I couldn't tell with all of the dust but I did see some lacquer checking. It is matching #'s. The engine was gone through by the second owner who also painted the engine and engine compartment in the 80's. He also added the dress up items. Interior is beautiful. I will be listing the car for sale in the near future after we go through it and get it running and stopping. I will post more photos later.

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[Fast67VelleN2O]

Neat!

[CC Rider]

Very cool find! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[YenkoYS-199Stinger]

Sweet find !!!

[firez]

Nice find,is it a Norwood or LOS built car?

[iluv69s]

i'm no expert, if it has original paint shouldn't the paint stripes have oversprayed edges as opossed to what looks like taped off edges in the hood and cowl ares??

[Charley Lillard]

He stated that the engine compartment had been repainted.

[al8apex]

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Nice find,is it a Norwood or LOS built car?

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Based on the cowl painted stripe color, I would say Van Nuys, that is the beauty of that plant - you KNOW the car is the real deal (assuming the cowl has never been repainted)

[fbirdguy]

Here is a pic of the trim tag. The owner says the protecto-plate is in the console but I couldn't get the door open, too tight in there.

http://www.carbuffs.com/camaroz8.jpg

[firez]

Thanks for that pic. My LOS Z is a 02E car ,the same colour though.

[427TJ]

Pleasant Hill huh? I'll bet it cruised North Main in Walnut Creek 30 years ago.

[GenOne]

Norwood had the same issues even late in September 69 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif (Dusk Blue original paint survivor)
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[gb70]

do you have any pics of the interior?

[Shevelle]

Very cool find!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[fbirdguy]

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Pleasant Hill huh? I'll bet it cruised North Main in Walnut Creek 30 years ago.

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You obviously know the area. From what I hear that was the place to be. Of course, cruising is illegal here now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Here are the only pics I could get of the interior. I could open the door just enough to get part of the lens in. I will have a bunch of pics when I get the car in my shop.



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[427TJ]

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Pleasant Hill huh? I'll bet it cruised North Main in Walnut Creek 30 years ago.

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You obviously know the area. From what I hear that was the place to be. Of course, cruising is illegal here now.

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I was there when the end came. The best Main in all of NorCal and its popularity killed it.

[gb70]

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Pleasant Hill huh? I'll bet it cruised North Main in Walnut Creek 30 years ago.

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You obviously know the area. From what I hear that was the place to be. Of course, cruising is illegal here now.

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I was there when the end came. The best Main in all of NorCal and its popularity killed it.

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Do people still cruise the El Camino? When I was a kid back in the late 70's through early 80's I used to cruise there with my girl friend(s).

[427TJ]

Too much traffic. Besides, traditional cruising died a long time ago.

Sorry for the hijack, BTW.

[ssl78396]

Way cool back in the Day http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif
The official name of the street El Camino Real part of
sciencic Rt hwy 1 all the way from SF city to Santa Cruz..

[SuperNovaSS]

El Camino Real goes all up and down the CA coast.


Jason

[jbsides]

Hwy 1 does. When it goes by my place it is "PCH." Different name depending where you are at.

JB

[SuperNovaSS]

Maybe "coast" was the wrong term. El Camino real is can be HWY 1, 101, or its own road depending on where you are.


Jason

[markinnaples]

WOW, that's unbelievable. Can't wait for more pics.

[L34Pace]

I'd prefer to buy it with the dust on it.

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

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I'd prefer to buy it with the dust on it.

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X2

[fbirdguy]

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I'd prefer to buy it with the dust on it.

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According to the phone calls and emails I got today concerning the car, it appears that most people from this board feel this way. I talked to the owner and we are just going to get it to my shop and photograph it as is.

Unfortunately, the owner has not given me a price yet. I think the car obviously needs a thorough checkout before setting a price. Its really hard to tell alot about a car from the front clip.:) I need to see if the paint is original and do a numbers check on the parts. I will also try to contact the first and second owners for some history.

I will post more photos when I get the car.

[resto4u]

If car has no major isssues, 30-35K.

[fbirdguy]

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If car has no major issues, 30-35K.

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Are these cars that cheap? I am having trouble finding comparable matching #'s cars to show the owner.

Could you please send me links to the cars you have seen sell in that range so I can show the owner. Please make sure they are matching #'s cars because that is the first thing he will check.

Thanks for your help

[L34Pace]

Maybe not that cheap if the car has original paint, paper documentation and the numbers match up. The other factor is that the 68 Z28 has always been under valued compared to its 67 and 69 partners. Their are several factors that influence the disparity and I dont think its really a fair shake but that's what the market dictates. The other issue is that the seller would have been much better off opening the garage about three years sooner http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I look forward to more details and photos! Great looking car....

[Astock]

The original paint and interior look pretty nice to me. Low milage,good original paint is hard to come by in a sunshine state like California. You have better chances of finding nice original paint in cold wheather states like ohio,Pa. It's a rs w/deluxe too,so 30-35 sounds lite to me.

[ssl78396]

Hmmmmm...
Seem's to me all this guessing really dosen't matter.
One of two things could happen owner will over price
the car and it will not sell.Orrrrrrrrr would be really
kinda cool have buyers post bids. Yeaaaaah http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

[fbirdguy]

It looks like I might have the car tomorrow, I will know in the morning. I will get pics as soon as I can. If the owner is going to want a bidding situation then I will just put the car on ebay. I understand that to post a car on this site you need to state a price, I agree and understand that. I just started posting, I don't want to get kicked off. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[miket1]

i agree $35K probably low, i would think $40-50K, if all checks out correct.

[TDW]

Have prices dropped THAT much in 2 years? I sold my 68 Z28 2 years ago for way more than that. PM me if you want details on my sale.

[68CamSS]

WOW, All figures seem low to me. This is a rare car IMO. Just for arguments sake what would a L78 be worth, all things being equal?

[MultiMopars]

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Have prices dropped THAT much in 2 years? I sold my 68 Z28 2 years ago for way more than that. PM me if you want details on my sale.

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You have to remember that ALL owners are somewhat bias myself included. We are all quick to point out that the prices have dropped substancially, but we somehow seem to think that OUR car is not as effected. Some of this is because as the owners, we KNOW what our car IS and that any other out there for the most part is an unknown commodity.

[resto4u]

The price i said, would be for resale. If i was to buy to keep, i would have a hard time paying anymore than 40K. We all know that taking a car out of storage can cost to make it road worthy again. Also the seller may not have been in the market for years, and not realize how the economy effects the collector market prices. Collector car sales are slow and difficult at best. Price drops here to sell, and epay and dealers, websites and newspapers. It is an incredible buyers market for those who can buy and ride it out. Roger

[juliosz]

Here's the information on the 68Z I used to own. Keep in mind this was sold when the market was booming: 68Z ad from 2006 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=UBB3&Number=214371&Search page=4&Main=213837&Words=juliosz&topic=&Search=tru e#Post214371). If you click on the link for pictures, I've added a lot of other stuff since then so pics of the Z start on page 5.

Paul

[Astock]

The only Super-Chevy car show I've been to was the Pomona 1998. I'm guessing 1000 cars in attendance,and not one original paint survivor. I'm guessing there's even fewer 11 yrs later.
Cars like this are the ones to own,and unfair to price it as a normal everyday car.

[TDW]

I have to chuckle here for a second. All the cars that I have been interested in buying sure haven't come down in price! I asked about this a few months back. Just where are all of these so called deals at? Any car that has been for sale on this site hasn't been a "steal", has it?

[ALLZS]

THE ONLY GOOD DEALS ARE SLAPPED TOGETHER JUNK *YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR !!!

[MultiMopars]

Rather than responding seperately in two posts I have combined these:

"The only Super-Chevy car show I've been to was the Pomona 1998. I'm guessing 1000 cars in attendance,and not one original paint survivor. I'm guessing there's even fewer 11 yrs later.
Cars like this are the ones to own,and unfair to price it as a normal everyday car."



I agree. However the "survivor" paint has to be nice enough to be "respectable" at the Saturday night parking lot show. Otherwise the owner soon tires of hearing "why don't you paint it." No point in paying "extra" for a survivor that you will end up painting soon after you buy it.



"I have to chuckle here for a second. All the cars that I have been interested in buying sure haven't come down in price! I asked about this a few months back. Just where are all of these so called deals at? Any car that has been for sale on this site hasn't been a "steal", has it?"



Right on.

So many people get the idea that because of the low bid prices of unsold/reserve not met cars on the highly viseable Ebay, that these car are only worth the high bid. Many people simply use Ebay as a marketing tool and don't really expect that it will sell there. You can't blame potential buyers for trying to steal something in a down turn market. OTOH, unless you HAVE to sell there are no deal to be had. Most people that have rare desirable cars will hold them unless they get what they want for them. It still all boils down to supply and demand. If you WANT a certain car you either pay the price or see if you can build a clone to satisfy your need. Most are finding that in todays market they are better off buying a REAL car. The clone is only worth at best the sum total of its parts and in this market could not sell the done clone car for what they have in it, sometimes 1/2 of that.

[iluv69s]

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I have to chuckle here for a second. All the cars that I have been interested in buying sure haven't come down in price! I asked about this a few months back. Just where are all of these so called deals at? Any car that has been for sale on this site hasn't been a "steal", has it?

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Didn't you buy the Harrell 70 Camaro??? I spoke to the owner a few months before that car was sold, and I thought the price was a steal. I imagine the car was sold for even less than I could have bought it. That car dropped considerably in price from when the seller was first offering the car for sale. If my finances were a little better at the time, that car would be in my garage.

awesome car...the pinnacle of 70 Camaros

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[Astock]

For me and maybe others,the automatic is a killer. Still a fantastic one of a kind car.
For those of you that have or know of a nice survivor,solid lifter car with low miles for 30-35k,just send me a pm. I'm not in the market,but for that price, I'll take them all.

[iluv69s]

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For me and maybe others,the automatic is a killer. Still a fantastic one of a kind car.
For those of you that have or know of a nice survivor,solid lifter car with low miles for 30-35k,just send me a pm. I'm not in the market,but for that price, I'll take them all.

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I hear ya....of the 11 early Camaros that I've owned this year, not one is an automatic...all 4 speeds and all but one solid lifter cars...but I was thinking of making an exception on that car....6k mile survivor....454 solid lifter...Dick Harrell...1 of 1

[fbirdguy]

The car finally rolled into my shop tonight. Here are some quick pics. This car is clean and original. Interior is excellent original except for the shifter? Cool car. I will get more pics and info soon. For some strange reason the car vin is 335632 and the vin on the block is 335633. Misstamp?

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[Charley Lillard]

nice car

[fbirdguy]

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nice car

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Thanks Charlie. I need to do a little cleanup and go through the numbers but it sure seems to be an incredibly solid original car.

[1967Z28]

The radius at the top of those rear stripes does not look right. No black on the rockers either. Repaint?

-Jon

[fbirdguy]

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The radius at the top of those rear stripes does not look right. No black on the rockers either. Repaint?

-Jon

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Could be. I won't know more until it gets cleaned up. It is definitely old lacquer and I see no tape lines though.

[iluv69s]

as I stated earlier...it seems as though the stripe ends are taped and there is not the typical overspray on the stripes in the cowl area..and now with these photos, it seems the same in the trunk area..
does not seem original paint i.m.o.

[njsteve]

I love the shot of the original POP and the fingerprints under the left edges of the tape. Run those prints and maybe you can find the dealership employee that originally sold it. (If he has a criminal record, of course). http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Cool car! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[juliosz]

If you have the time, you may want to lift the driver and passenger side carpet to see if the body broadcast copy is under there. The original owner of my 68 told me he found his when he lifted the carpet to install the drive shaft loop. Mine was a Norwood car however. Great car, great find, good luck!

Paul

[BillD]

Very nice car!! Keep the pictures coming.

[firez]

Great find twin to my 02E LOS Z28. My serial number is about 4100 ahead of this car. One observation my car was not original paint when I bought it as the California sun beat it up. Was the truck lip painted with the stripe colour when a spoiler was factory installed?

[jbsides]

Looks like a nice car and a great score to be sure. The painted trunk lip was the first thing I noticed on this set of pics. Of the factory spoiler cars I have seen over the years, I cannot recall any with a painted lip like that. Added at the dealer before initial delivery, yes, but factory, none that I have seen.

JB

[firez]

Forgot to say also my 02E Z has a engine build date of VO205MO . This seems to be about the same time duration as this car relative to the vehicles build date. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[69 Post Sedan]

One word....Jealous! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/drool.gif

[fbirdguy]

Here are a few more pics from last night. I will probably not be able to do anything more with the car until tomorrow. We are going to get the car on the rack and drop the gas tank and get it drained and cleaned out along with the other fluids to start getting the car ready to run. We decided to get the car running because the way it sits now it would have to be sold as a project car and that would have a negative impact on the value as opposed to a running and driving car. Getting it running will be easy and cost very little. If you followed the thread on my 69 T/A you will see this car is going to be a piece of cake comparatively. I will go through the car and photograph and document all numbers to get it ready for sale. I will post more pics as I take them.

Thanks for following along.
Richie


Here is a tag I found under the passenger seat.

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[jannes_z-28]

BT Rearend is special, 3.55 gears instead of the standard 3.73.

Engine VIN might be misstamp or mixing the engines between the next car on the line, probably misstamp.

Jan

[GreenLS6]

Don't care wether a repaint or not- SOLID -ORIGINAL- ALL PAPERWORK-unmolested -GARAGE FIND !!!! 30-35 your nuts!
Guarantee no one on this board would list it for sale on this board for that! There's guys askin 30 for original 307 cars

VERY Nice car, congrats ! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[brent396]

Very nice car.Is this car consider a born with motor car ?

[1969z280]

I would have thought that if the engine was mis-stamped, that the POP would have shown the incorrect mis-stamp not what should have been correctly stamped on the engine? They pulled the actual numbers off of the car for the POP, didn't they? Ed

[Kurt S]

I think that's the original motor.
But I don't think that seat tag goes with this car. This car has standard belts from what I see. ZK3 is deluxe belts.

[fbirdguy]

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I think that's the original motor.
But I don't think that seat tag goes with this car. This car has standard belts from what I see. ZK3 is deluxe belts.

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Thanks Kurt. I am sure it is the original motor. I seem to attract odd block stampings. Who else could come up with a 1 owner unmolested 69 T/A with a Camaro vin on the block. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

BTW I grew up in Ypsilanti and still have family and friends all over there.

[Kurt S]

Yup, lived in Ypsi for 15 years. Always heard the planes coming into Willow Run. Not much farther away now, but we must be out of the flight path...

[fbirdguy]

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Yup, lived in Ypsi for 15 years. Always heard the planes coming into Willow Run. Not much farther away now, but we must be out of the flight path...

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I lived more in the country. I graduated from Lincoln High School in 1986.

[fbirdguy]

We cleaned up the car some today and it does appear to be a repaint. Looks like old lacquer with some shrinkage but I still can't find tape lines. Still very solid and straight. A few bubbles around the rear window. We are going to start getting it ready to run tomorrow. I will get undercarriage photos then. Sharp car regardless.

http://www.carbuffs.com/camaroz32.jpg

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[m22mike]

You did good.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[mockingbird812]

Sharp! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif Congrats! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Very cool car!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[69bronzeT5]

Wow great find! I'm more of a '69 guy myself but I appreciate a good garage or barn find!

[GreenLS6]

very nice car - very nice http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[markinnaples]

Beautiful....I wanna drive it!

[musclecarmatt]

man...wish i could get that lucky!...very nice car!....would like to the see the orignal shifter in though...

[fbirdguy]

Finally had a chance to work on the car today. Oil was changed and engine was primed and turns over fine. Carb will be getting new gaskets tomorrow. The carburetor appears to be a 1974 service replacement.

The undercarriage is typical California rust free.

The transmission has the same misstamp as the block.

The rearend has a BT stamp.

The spare has the correct DF stamp but the other wheels have an FW stamp and appear to be 15x7. I guess someone wanted a little wider tread.


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[MosportGreen66]

What a cool find! Congrats!

[SUSQ]

Congrats! Man, I gotta start looking in more garages. Have fun with your great find!

[fbirdguy]

My friend Rick got the engine prepped to run yesterday. It fired right up and runs great. We may have it on the road tomorrow, I will post some pics.

[mssl72]

Funny how the VIN misstamp of "33" matches the license plates. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[mockingbird812]

Way cool Richie. She looks terrific! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

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Funny how the VIN misstamp of "33" matches the license plates. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

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Twilight Zone.. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hmmm.gif

[ssl78396]

Rowen&Martin's Laugh-In
The little German soldier smoking the cigerate.Quote
"Very Interesting"

[ssl78396]

Quote:"Very Interesting"

[69RSZ]

so the trans and the engine vin is the same but the pop isnt,have not seen a pic of the cars vin plate? Is that a 33 or 32? If the vin plate is 33 then the POP was a misstamp?

[firez]

Probably not the first time this has happened over the years either. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[x77-69z28]

i thought the vin on the car was 32?

[fbirdguy]

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i thought the vin on the car was 32?

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The vin on the car is 32.

[Shevelle]

What an awesome find! Very Chttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifhttp://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gifL! Congrats! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[firstgenaddict]

That is the 2nd time I have seen those tires on a 68 Z... the other one was an unrestored Lemans blue with blk houndstooth in Charlotte at the Autofair in 1990.

[fbirdguy]

I have been down for the count with a ridiculous cold. Finally got the pics of the Camaro.

Camaro pics (http://www.carbuffs.com/camaroz68green.htm)

Thanks to those of you that have waited.

Richie

[lwkitt427]

KILLER FIND AND A KILLER LOVE THE RALLY GREEN. JUST A SWEEET RIDE !!!!!!!!!!