From the pres.

[sYc]

We are getting several emails and PMs concerning the direction of this site. They feel we are on a slippery slope, headed down hill, and have offered their suggestions.

Some have suggested Rob and I get more involved. No thanks, been there, done that. Everyone wants more moderation, as long as someone else is the bad guy, and of course as long as it does not affect them. Let the authority come down on them, and then watch what happens. If the only way to correct things is Rob and I taking over, enforcing our will, it will not happen, as at the end of the day, all that we will have accomplished is gain more enemies. No thanks, got enough as it is. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/naughty.gif

Because Rob and I would rather go racing, spend time with our families, etc, and not moderate the site ourselves 24/7, being the entire board police, we rely on others. They are doing the best they can, often times in a no win situation, where the best case scenario is 50% of the ones involved feel you did the right thing.

Contact them, or us, we will listen, and respect your opinion, all we ask in return is you respect ours.

IMO, if we are to get this site back to the way is once was, where there was more emphasis on the cars and having fun, and less on promoting our own thoughts, ideas and agendas, then everyone needs to grow up, quite making all the little jabs, remarks, bashing etc, instead start considering other folk’s feelings and start biting their tongues.

Why can not folks behave on here as we do at the SCR, MCACN and other shows, that is, all show up, do our on thing, be cordial to each other, then go our separate ways. Of course I know why, much easier to be a tough guy behind the keyboard. Though everyone on here are adults, some days you sure could not tell it by their actions..

In closing, I do not look at this as Tom’s board, but rather OUR board. A lot of good people have helped make the club, and this site, what is today. Together we made it one of the top sites on the internet, took the club to heights none of us could have imagined, and together, if we truly care, we can make it even better, and stronger. I honestly believe that. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

To me, very simple,,,.
<font color="red"> do unto others as you would have them do unto you </font>


To start the ball rolling, I am going to make a challenge to myself and others. Before making a post, or sending that PM, I am going to take a long hard look at what I have typed before hitting the button, making sure what I have written is something I really feel really needs to be said, something I would say in person, and last but not least, something that others would view as a positive for the site/club.

Any takers?

[ORIGLS6]

It's certainly worth a try. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

We've all made some long-lasting friendships through our association with this site. Here's to many, many more years of friendship, fellowship and FUN! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif







My name is Dennis Cumby and I've reviewed and approved this message. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[L78steve]

For what it is worth I feel this is a fine site. People are people and nothing is going to change that.

[LVCamaro]

Thanks and well said Tom.

SS

[Xplantdad]

There are WAY more important things in life to worry about than arguing on an internet board...

The offer still stands if you need any extra help moderating... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[Stefano]

Let's have some good, clean, old fashioned, American style fun......I'm all for it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[TXZS]

Tom, I am with you. Let's leave the lack of civility to the U.S. Congress; they have plenty. I hope the mods don't view this as a political post.

[hiperf69]

I have only been a member for a year now and I spend a lot of nights digging through the Archives.The knowledge here is incredable!
To me guy's, this site is the Library of the future of these cars, for our childern and others.
Remember;
"Nothing is cut in stone untill it's over"
How do you want to be remembered?
Joe Smith

[TMagda]

For what it's worth, this board seem's to me to be way more "mature" and cooperative than many others I visit. Smarter people to based on grammer, and the ability to express themselves in writing (a sort of rare talent these days). Not too many Camero's or Yanko's http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[bergy]

I agree entirely Tom - since we're all human, it occasionally has some rough edges. Thanks for your insight. It's a great site and a wealth of knowledge.

[kwhizz]

That's great.....But.....Let's just make sure that member moderation is in reference to things that happen on the site and only on the site http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

Ken

[JoeG]

I thing remote contolled SYC electronic shock collars might work..........just a thought

[Mr70]

It's time to release the warm sYc Snuggies.

http://familystyles.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/snuggies.jpg

[TimG]

Many of my best car friends are on this site, I love it.

Thanks, it's always a source of enjoyment when I log on every day.

Hey, on a positive note. Saw the Doobie Brothers live last night and they were great. I mean absolutely great.

[firez]

I have learnt so much from the members on this site. I am hoping it continues and we can enjoy these cars for what they meant to us when we were all teenagers and having fun with them. Lets not let the wealth of information on this site disappear. Paul http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/3gears.gif

[bashton]

Well said, Mr. Clary.

As both a site sponsor and a member of the sYc family, I am not only in agreement, but fully support what you have said and am honored to be a part of this site.

I feel the mods do a fine job of handling what many times can be sticky situations. We all know the "Keyboard Commandos" have a way of pressing the send button sometimes before they should without regard to feelings or in many cases, reality, but that is to be expected whenever you have as many people as we have on this forum.

My hat is off to you and Rob for doing the right thing and I will continue to support you, your family and the site.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[COPO PETE]

You have complete support from north of the border. I've meet more cool people here and at the reunions than I can count! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif
Looking forward to the reunion!
COPO PETE http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[396L35]

Since we all agree with Tom's post lets have Doug Perry reinstated to the site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[DarrenX33]

[ QUOTE ]
Since we all agree with Tom's post lets have Doug Perry reinstated to the site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Unless there was significant evidence that Doug broke the guidelines of this site I'd say that is a really good idea. But what the heck, I've heard of members warned of being banned and their still here. Doug must have done something pretty rotten here. Or did he? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

Let's do the right thing.

[Salvatore]

Doug (COPOLOCO),Jude and Jerry MacNeish have my vote! A wealth of info from all those guys. If the Site is about the members, let the members vote. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Postsedan]

[ QUOTE ]
Since we all agree with Tom's post lets have Doug Perry reinstated to the site. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Ditto, after-all....are we not deserving of a second chance http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

Dan.

[southernfriedcj]

This is the most mellow well behaved site I go to.
I try to keep my smart azz comments to myself but sometimes they get the best of me.
Unlike most keyboard commandos, I'm much nicer online. Those of you who have actually met me in person can vouch for what an A-hole I am!

[LVCamaro]

Let's all not forget that membership and participation on this forum board is a privilege...not a right. The fact remains that the Mods here have unilateral authority to censor and/or ban anyone here without conditions or group discussion...that's just the way it is here. I don't agree with some of the decisions that the Mods have made, but at the end of the day that just doesn't matter. It's aggravating when that happens, but my options are: [1] quit participating here, or [2] just suck it up and get over it [there are dozens of other muscle car forum boards that we can choose from to read and/or post].

These Internet forum discussion boards come in all flavors and colors. Some are run a lot looser [more tolerant] than the sYc board by management, then others are much tighter [less tolerant] than this board...so we can pick from the many forum boards we feel most comfortable being a part of. Our Mods don't get it right every time, so the ol' adage: "some of the people, some of the time" is about as good as they're gonna do. There are 10,000 sYc forum members that have an opinion about our Mod's every decision, but I doubt that our Mods are gonna please them all. I notice some members that seem chronically in disagreement about how this board is run...what I don't understand is why they persist in frequenting a forum board that they so often find fault.

We likely all have a buddy that's been censored/banned at this forum site and we'd like to reverse/modify the Mod's decision, but the fact remains that we just don't have that ability. It may sound harsh and even unreasonable, but that's just the way it is here [and most all the other Internet forum boards]. Each of our memberships here were preceded by an agreement to abide by the rules of management. I don't believe our Mod's make knee-jerk decisions regarding censorship/banishment of a member here thoughtlessly or with intent to further their own personal/secret agenda, but even if I did think that...my options still remain the same as stated above. I just don't think it's fair or beneficial for anyone to make a forum post voicing your discontent about a decision our Mods make...I think that only serves to cause the Mods to dig their heels in even deeper. Nobody likes to be second guessed by someone else on the open forum board, so IMO it's much better to voice our opinion or objection via PM or private email.

I communicated with Tom Clary today about his post above and some general forum board policies and/or philosophies. During that discussion, I sensed that Tom and Rob are becoming pretty tired from their unending personal time spent to maintain our board. Tom has personally selected his Mods and management team here and reminded me that he absolutely supports his team and the decisions they make during the course of monitoring this forum site, unconditionally. I know Tom pretty well and I truly believe that he's becoming disenchanted and even aggravated by some of the recent bickering, whining, second-guessing and personal attacks between some forum members. Tom gave birth to this site more than 10 years ago and continues to make considerable personal sacrifices to keep our board in business. I'm not trying to post/speak in Tom's behalf here [he's quite able to speak for himself], I'm just sharing insight based upon my discussion with Tom today. I would just hate to see the day that Tom throws his hands up and pulls the plug because the forum board became a heartache and headache that he prefers to do without.

Thanks Tom &amp; Rob for all you do here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

SS
[I just noticed Jim's post above..."keyboard commandos" is a good way to put it]

[70 copo]

You know guys I do not get it with some of you. Tom Makes a nice post and politics creap right into the thread with issues about a banned member. Please respect the decisions of the moderators and Tom and Rob.

I have been here since 2000. People come and go and the net is a big place. IMO... Leave the bickering out of this thread.

[Tim Penton]

I agree with you Tom. Good post Steve. This is a great site. The best in my opinion. Let's continue to keep it that way.

[396L35]

[ QUOTE ]
Let's all not forget that membership and participation on this forum board is a privilege...not a right. The fact remains that the Mods here have unilateral authority to censor and/or ban anyone here without conditions or group discussion...that's just the way it is here. I don't agree with some of the decisions that the Mods have made, but at the end of the day that just doesn't matter. It's aggravating when that happens, but my options are: [1] quit participating here, or [2] just suck it up and get over it [there are dozens of other muscle car forum boards that we can choose from to read and/or post].

These Internet forum discussion boards come in all flavors and colors. Some are run a lot looser [more tolerant] than the sYc board by management, then others are much tighter [less tolerant] than this board...so we can pick from the many forum boards we feel most comfortable being a part of. Our Mods don't get it right every time, so the ol' adage: "some of the people, some of the time" is about as good as they're gonna do. There are 10,000 sYc forum members that have an opinion about our Mod's every decision, but I doubt that our Mods are gonna please them all. I notice some members that seem chronically in disagreement about how this board is run...what I don't understand is why they persist in frequenting a forum board that they so often find fault.

We likely all have a buddy that's been censored/banned at this forum site and we'd like to reverse/modify the Mod's decision, but the fact remains that we just don't have that ability. It may sound harsh and even unreasonable, but that's just the way it is here [and most all the other Internet forum boards]. Each of our memberships here were preceded by an agreement to abide by the rules of management. I don't believe our Mod's make knee-jerk decisions regarding censorship/banishment of a member here thoughtlessly or with intent to further their own personal/secret agenda, but even if I did think that...my options still remain the same as stated above. I just don't think it's fair or beneficial for anyone to make a forum post voicing your discontent about a decision our Mods make...I think that only serves to cause the Mods to dig their heels in even deeper. Nobody likes to be second guessed by someone else on the open forum board, so IMO it's much better to voice our opinion or objection via PM or private email.

I communicated with Tom Clary today about his post above and some general forum board policies and/or philosophies. During that discussion, I sensed that Tom and Rob are becoming pretty tired from their unending personal time spent to maintain our board. Tom has personally selected his Mods and management team here and reminded me that he absolutely supports his team and the decisions they make during the course of monitoring this forum site, unconditionally. I know Tom pretty well and I truly believe that he's becoming disenchanted and even aggravated by some of the recent bickering, whining, second-guessing and personal attacks between some forum members. Tom gave birth to this site more than 10 years ago and continues to make considerable personal sacrifices to keep our board in business. I'm not trying to post/speak in Tom's behalf here [he's quite able to speak for himself], I'm just sharing insight based upon my discussion with Tom today. I would just hate to see the day that Tom throws his hands up and pulls the plug because the forum board became a heartache and headache that he prefers to do without.

Thanks Tom &amp; Rob for all you do here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

SS
[I just noticed Jim's post above..."keyboard commandos" is a good way to put it]

[/ QUOTE ]

Steve you have a lot of valid points in your post but none of them still answer why Doug Perry was banned from this site by the mods. Doug never posted anything negative on any of the forums while he was here and he was banned for going after a certain 1967 Yenko Camaro. I know personally that he has helped out others on this site find cars and acquire them for the new owners. Censorship is needed in some cases but banishment for going after cars is ridicules and not healthy for the site or car collecting. This reminds me of when Dick Herrall cars were wanted and then there was some heated discussions between a few groups and the outcome of this tragedy was no one wanted anything to due with these cars and the bottom fell out and the price went down. I just dont want to see this happen to any of the other supercars so this site can move forward and continue to grow. Mark

[agtw31]

this is a nice board,never saw a problem with it.

keep up the good work.

[70 copo]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Let's all not forget that membership and participation on this forum board is a privilege...not a right. The fact remains that the Mods here have unilateral authority to censor and/or ban anyone here without conditions or group discussion...that's just the way it is here. I don't agree with some of the decisions that the Mods have made, but at the end of the day that just doesn't matter. It's aggravating when that happens, but my options are: [1] quit participating here, or [2] just suck it up and get over it [there are dozens of other muscle car forum boards that we can choose from to read and/or post].

These Internet forum discussion boards come in all flavors and colors. Some are run a lot looser [more tolerant] than the sYc board by management, then others are much tighter [less tolerant] than this board...so we can pick from the many forum boards we feel most comfortable being a part of. Our Mods don't get it right every time, so the ol' adage: "some of the people, some of the time" is about as good as they're gonna do. There are 10,000 sYc forum members that have an opinion about our Mod's every decision, but I doubt that our Mods are gonna please them all. I notice some members that seem chronically in disagreement about how this board is run...what I don't understand is why they persist in frequenting a forum board that they so often find fault.

We likely all have a buddy that's been censored/banned at this forum site and we'd like to reverse/modify the Mod's decision, but the fact remains that we just don't have that ability. It may sound harsh and even unreasonable, but that's just the way it is here [and most all the other Internet forum boards]. Each of our memberships here were preceded by an agreement to abide by the rules of management. I don't believe our Mod's make knee-jerk decisions regarding censorship/banishment of a member here thoughtlessly or with intent to further their own personal/secret agenda, but even if I did think that...my options still remain the same as stated above. I just don't think it's fair or beneficial for anyone to make a forum post voicing your discontent about a decision our Mods make...I think that only serves to cause the Mods to dig their heels in even deeper. Nobody likes to be second guessed by someone else on the open forum board, so IMO it's much better to voice our opinion or objection via PM or private email.

I communicated with Tom Clary today about his post above and some general forum board policies and/or philosophies. During that discussion, I sensed that Tom and Rob are becoming pretty tired from their unending personal time spent to maintain our board. Tom has personally selected his Mods and management team here and reminded me that he absolutely supports his team and the decisions they make during the course of monitoring this forum site, unconditionally. I know Tom pretty well and I truly believe that he's becoming disenchanted and even aggravated by some of the recent bickering, whining, second-guessing and personal attacks between some forum members. Tom gave birth to this site more than 10 years ago and continues to make considerable personal sacrifices to keep our board in business. I'm not trying to post/speak in Tom's behalf here [he's quite able to speak for himself], I'm just sharing insight based upon my discussion with Tom today. I would just hate to see the day that Tom throws his hands up and pulls the plug because the forum board became a heartache and headache that he prefers to do without.

Thanks Tom &amp; Rob for all you do here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

SS
[I just noticed Jim's post above..."keyboard commandos" is a good way to put it]

[/ QUOTE ]

Steve you have a lot of valid points in your post but none of them still answer why Doug Perry was banned from this site by the mods. Doug never posted anything negative on any of the forums while he was here and he was banned for going after a certain 1967 Yenko Camaro. I know personally that he has helped out others on this site find cars and acquire them for the new owners. Censorship is needed in some cases but banishment for going after cars is ridicules and not healthy for the site or car collecting. This reminds me of when Dick Herrall cars were wanted and then there was some heated discussions between a few groups and the outcome of this tragedy was no one wanted anything to due with these cars and the bottom fell out and the price went down. I just dont want to see this happen to any of the other supercars so this site can move forward and continue to grow. Mark

[/ QUOTE ]

The way I read the start of the thread It was about the health of the board in general but you keep taking the discussion off topic and into the ditch. Why are you doing this?

The topic you keep bringing up was started and well hashed through in the lounge already a couple of weeks ago all before it was closed and deleted.

[Salvatore]

With all do respect Phil the thread probably should not have been deleted. Can't favor one or two members over others. Unless there was/is physical threats let them speak. I don't think it is a good idea to just keep banning or deleting everything when it gets a little sticky. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[70 copo]

Sam

Asking him to explain why he keeps taking the thread off topic may help him get what ever he has on his chest off of it

[camarojoe]

Thanks LV, That post pretty much sums it up perfectly. Indeed you can't please everyone all the time, nor do we even try to. No one has ever been banned here without plenty of discussion among ALL the moderators AND administrators. Sorry that the other 10,000 members don't get a vote on every decision that's made here, but show me a site where they do. As Steve noted, no one has to like the decisions made here, hell I don't agree with everything that happens here either, but that's just how it is. There is no rule that says you have to stay here if the site isn't something you support or agree with. Several have left only to realize the grass isn't any greener on the other side of the fence either.

I think the majority of folks are happy with the way things are run around here. I also believe there is a bigger number of folks that should be glad they still have posting previleges than any list of people that have banned unjustly. Thanks to everyone who supports the site, and the work everyone does to keep it running smooothly. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[sYc]

[ QUOTE ]
Let's all not forget that membership and participation on this forum board is a privilege...not a right. The fact remains that the Mods here have unilateral authority to censor and/or ban anyone here without conditions or group discussion...that's just the way it is here. I don't agree with some of the decisions that the Mods have made, but at the end of the day that just doesn't matter. It's aggravating when that happens, but my options are: [1] quit participating here, or [2] just suck it up and get over it [there are dozens of other muscle car forum boards that we can choose from to read and/or post].

These Internet forum discussion boards come in all flavors and colors. Some are run a lot looser [more tolerant] than the sYc board by management, then others are much tighter [less tolerant] than this board...so we can pick from the many forum boards we feel most comfortable being a part of. Our Mods don't get it right every time, so the ol' adage: "some of the people, some of the time" is about as good as they're gonna do. There are 10,000 sYc forum members that have an opinion about our Mod's every decision, but I doubt that our Mods are gonna please them all. I notice some members that seem chronically in disagreement about how this board is run...what I don't understand is why they persist in frequenting a forum board that they so often find fault.

We likely all have a buddy that's been censored/banned at this forum site and we'd like to reverse/modify the Mod's decision, but the fact remains that we just don't have that ability. It may sound harsh and even unreasonable, but that's just the way it is here [and most all the other Internet forum boards]. Each of our memberships here were preceded by an agreement to abide by the rules of management. I don't believe our Mod's make knee-jerk decisions regarding censorship/banishment of a member here thoughtlessly or with intent to further their own personal/secret agenda, but even if I did think that...my options still remain the same as stated above. I just don't think it's fair or beneficial for anyone to make a forum post voicing your discontent about a decision our Mods make...I think that only serves to cause the Mods to dig their heels in even deeper. Nobody likes to be second guessed by someone else on the open forum board, so IMO it's much better to voice our opinion or objection via PM or private email.

I communicated with Tom Clary today about his post above and some general forum board policies and/or philosophies. During that discussion, I sensed that Tom and Rob are becoming pretty tired from their unending personal time spent to maintain our board. Tom has personally selected his Mods and management team here and reminded me that he absolutely supports his team and the decisions they make during the course of monitoring this forum site, unconditionally. I know Tom pretty well and I truly believe that he's becoming disenchanted and even aggravated by some of the recent bickering, whining, second-guessing and personal attacks between some forum members. Tom gave birth to this site more than 10 years ago and continues to make considerable personal sacrifices to keep our board in business. I'm not trying to post/speak in Tom's behalf here [he's quite able to speak for himself], I'm just sharing insight based upon my discussion with Tom today. I would just hate to see the day that Tom throws his hands up and pulls the plug because the forum board became a heartache and headache that he prefers to do without.

Thanks Tom &amp; Rob for all you do here. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

SS
[I just noticed Jim's post above..."keyboard commandos" is a good way to put it]

[/ QUOTE ]

Steve, great post. Pretty much sums it up, though a couple of folks still "do not get it".

[Salvatore]

Tom, you are the boss. Its your Site. Like Joe says nobody is twisting anybodys arm to hang around. I also believe everybody here gets it, it is just opinions which we all have and friends sticking up for friends. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sYc]

Sam, I totally understand, and respect, friends sticking up for friends, but often times when this is done, only half of the story is known. That is the case with your “racing friend”.

More times then not, when someone is banned, the first thing they do is threaten to take legal action against the site. Trust me, if one wants to really piss us off, and make their chances of ever getting back on the site slim, do that.

Also, I know friends think they are helping by continuing to make posts after post about so and so being banned, but in reality, hurts more then it helps.

[SmallHurst]

As the metro member of the Hillbilly Racing Team, I am proud to say that I am a member of this board. A big thank you to all of the people who support the board, the member that operate the board, and the moderators who have to wield the ruler and maintain order. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

As most of you know, I never try to get anyones tighty-whities tied in a knot, but sometimes stuff like that happens. If I ever do anything wrong, I only ask that it is explained what I did that offended because sometimes the self recognition fails to kick in. I enjoy jokes on others and I am able to laugh at myself (and yes, there are plenty of items for fodder!) Lets remember one thing, cars are simply pieces of machinery and a common bond between all of us. Cars can be replaced much easier than friendships.

I am a memeber of the board and I have reviewed my message before pushing send!!!! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[LVCamaro]

[ QUOTE ]
Tom, you are the boss. Its your Site. Like Joe says nobody is twisting anybodys arm to hang around.

[/ QUOTE ]

hey Sam...lol...it took me 4 paragraphs and 30 minutes to say what you said in 3 sentences.

SS

[PxTx]

Steve, you wrote it first and did a nice job. As the old saying goes, If I had mroe time, I would have written less...

[Salvatore]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Tom, you are the boss. Its your Site. Like Joe says nobody is twisting anybodys arm to hang around.

[/ QUOTE ]

hey Sam...lol...it took me 4 paragraphs and 30 minutes to say what you said in 3 sentences.

SS

[/ QUOTE ]That is because I am Italian and run out of words faster than you Steve! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/haha.gif

[musclecarjohn]

[ QUOTE ]


The offer still stands if you need any extra help moderating... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

Personally,I'm surprised you aren't a mod here Bruce,you're the best ambassador I can think of... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/BruceRocks.gif

This site is probably the most mature,intelligent car-related site on the net,I'm not sure what the problem is...

[1967 Impala]

"This site is probably the most mature,intelligent car-related site on the net,I'm not sure what the problem is..."

My thoughts FWIW exactly

[CC Rider]

Great post.

Spring and summer are coming. Let's have some fun. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif