1970 Chevrolet El Camino SS396 57k Actual Miles!

[TwoBryans]

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1970 El Camino SS 396 57k original mile(born with drivetrain)

All stock blue exterior/blue interior/white hat and stripes(Stripes not original, had them added when exterior respray was done simply because I liked the look and knowing that all I had to do was repaint the hood to put it back in original form).

Had original paint when I bought that was getting weak so I had the Award Winning Thorntons(Of Oldsmobile Restoration Fame) respray the exterior only. The jambs and inside the bed were still so nice that I did not want to touch them.

Original, born with 402/350HP a/c, p/w, c/c, tilt, guage, washer indicator car with TH400 trans and 12 bolt. I bought this car from the original owners of the car and it was garage kept since new(and still is) and is a nearly all original car with exception of the outer respray, battery, ignition wires, cap, rotor, exhaust and maybe a few other minor odds and ends.

Yes, I do have the protect-o-plate and BuildSheet for it.

With the exception of some detailing work, a possible carb rebuild(I would of course recommend Eric at Vintage Musclecar Parts do it), an a/c compressor clutch(not compressor), a seam on the drivers seat starting to split where it is stitched from age(yes, the interior is all original)and the tires getting dry rotted from age that's all I know might need to be done.

A very honest and exceptionally straight forward car that is a very rare find in an El Camino!

I have been collecting cars for over 30 years and have yet to find another 1970 SS 396 El Camino that even begins to compare to this one as far as originality, documentation and overall unrestored condition.

This car has been garage kept since new and while I feel a car of this quality is worth more, I am reluctantly offering it at $50k only due to the state of the current economy.

Please feel free to call me to discuss this wonderful car at (804) Four 2 Six Three 6 Hundred.

Thank you for taking the time to view my ad and to Yenko.net for the ad space! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/youguysrock.gif

[luzl78]

that's a beautiful survivor car. looks like it was special ordered by the original owner. i love original cars.

[H8tulooze]

Nice car, ive seen it for sale for a few years now?

[TwoBryans]

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that's a beautiful survivor car. looks like it was special ordered by the original owner. i love original cars.

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Thanks for the compliment!

I know the term "survivor" gets thrown around quite often and many use that term when it really is not applicable. I feel the car is a survivor as you state, but did not want to call it that and have the skies part and lightning come down from the heavens and strike me dead for doing it in the ad! LOL!! J/K guys! I know that term rubs some guys the wrong way and at times on some vehicles, it even rubs me the wrong way too. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burnout.gif

[TwoBryans]

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Nice car, ive seen it for sale for a few years now?

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Yes, you are correct. If memory serves me correctly, I have posted it twice on the Chevelles.com website(and possibly even tried eBay) over the last several years just to put it out there and see what kind of attention the car garnered without really caring if the car sold and definitely not pushing it either. I am not, even now overly motivated(due to the level of quality and originality of this car), however now more motivated than in the past to find a new caretaker for the car. If the "right" person comes along, great. If not, that's ok too, but I am certainly being very much more proactive with the car now, than I have ever been in the past and getting ready to downsize the herd considerably. Some of the others that will be posted for sale(with emphasis on the SOLD part)soon are as follows:

1957 Sedan Delivery Pro Street

1969 Camaro SS
1970 Camaro SS/RS
1972 Camaro Z/28
1972 Camaro Pro Street

1967 Chevelle SS
1971 Chevele Malibu

1970 El Camino SS 396(a different one)
1979 El Camino Pro Street

1970 Monte Carlo
1971 Monte Carlo
1972 Monte Carlo
1988 Monte Carlo SS

1967 Nova SS
1972 Nova SS

1986 GN Driver
1987 GN Drag car
1987 GN Street Car
1987 Turbo T Driver

[THE 442 GUY]

Great looking El Camino. How long ago did Thornton paint the car????

[Salvatore]

"Survivor" a tough call especially for $50,000.

[TwoBryans]

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Great looking El Camino. How long ago did Thornton paint the car????

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The paint was done back when I first bought the car. 10-12 years ago if memory serves correctly. I would have to check the title to be sure. Please feel free to let me know what else I can do to help. Have a great day! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/biggthumpup.gif

[TwoBryans]

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"Survivor" a tough call especially for $50,000.

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Not sure what the question here is, but whatever it is, please explain and I will be happy to respond. Thanks for your interest. Have a great evening! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[TimG]

I’ve owned two Corvettes that have received the Survivor award at Bloomington with complete repaints. One was a ’67 coupe and one was a ’69 coupe. Both received Bloomington Survivor awards due to passing three of the four categories. I don’t know this El Camino or the seller, but a Corvette can Survivor with a repaint and I’m sure the new Survivor award follows the same guidelines. I believe that a car can still be called a Survivor with a repaint.

[THE 442 GUY]

Tough call??? FIND THE SECOND ONE http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[Salvatore]

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"Survivor" a tough call especially for $50,000.

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Not sure what the question here is, but whatever it is, please explain and I will be happy to respond. Thanks for your interest. Have a great evening! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure a repaint can be classified as a survivor. 50,000 just seems a little steep IMO for that particular truck. Thats all. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

[Late BrakeU2]

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"Survivor" a tough call especially for $50,000.

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Not sure what the question here is, but whatever it is, please explain and I will be happy to respond. Thanks for your interest. Have a great evening! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Not sure a repaint can be classified as a survivor. 50,000 just seems a little steep IMO for that particular truck. Thats all. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif

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Someone other than the seller used the "S" word, but agree the # is in LS-5 territory. To me a true survivor has most of the paint that was applied during assembly, this is a very nice unmolested example with one repaint and would love to have it in my garage!
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[GTO_DON]

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Tough call??? FIND THE SECOND ONE http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/scholar.gif

[/ QUOTE ]Yo Justin!! How many do you want me to find you for 50K?? How about an LS5 4 spd car with 40 on the clock and original paint. Let me know.Lets be real,Your my friend but so Is Sammy! Maybe he shouldnt have spoke his mind but he's a good honest guy like you. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

[camarojoe]

Bottom line is it's a classified ad. If you have a question or inquiry about buying it then e mail or PM the seller. If you don't like it, think its too much, or if doesn't meet your definition of survivor etc. That's fine, just move along.


I'm thinking it's about time we seriously look into making these classified ads "read only".

[WILMASBOYL78]

I'm thinking it's about time we seriously look into making these classified ads "read only".

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Who is we...???

[camarojoe]

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Who is we...???

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Just you and I Wilma.

[LVCamaro]

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I'm thinking it's about time we seriously look into making these classified ads "read only".

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excellent idea!

SS

[kwhizz]

Isn't the purpose of this site to discuss cars and to offer opinions??..........Sammy was just offering his opinion about the car........Being a little sensitive are we??................

Ken

[camarojoe]

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Isn't the purpose of this site to discuss cars and to offer opinions??..

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Nope, not in the classifieds. The guy can ask whatever he wants for his car. Period.

[Salvatore]

That is correct Joe. But when he does he has to be ready for some discussion and opinions. If a person runs an ad in a paper or Ebay or whatever there is always some type of discussion on the matter. Plus look at all the puplicity that Elky is getting.

[resto4u]

I am with joe on this one. If you don't like the price, you don't buy it. If a guy has a car for sale in the paper, do you bother to call him just to say your price is too high. I think some real world etiquet should carry over to the internet world. Remember some comments could kill a sale, If that was anybody as the seller. That person would be less than happy about it. Stepping in someone else's shoe's is always a great reality check.

[TwoBryans]

Well, I guess it's time to chime in.

First off, I am not, nor have ever been here to ruffle any feathers. In fact, I see no reason we all can't get along because we all have a great common interest here.

Here is my opinion for whatever it's worth or not worth for that matter.

I have been collecting cars for may years and have travelled the country and bought many cars for my collection from all over and can feel safe in saying that this particular car was(when I found it) and still is the nicest correct, documented and mostly original 1970 SS El Camino with all of it's born with drivetrain, I have ever seen(and I have seen many).

Now does it mean there are not a handful left that are as nice or possible nicer, hell no! Anything is possible. All I am saying is that they are few and far between.

As far as value, anything is only worth what one person is willing to pay and another is willing to accept, period. My price is set at what I feel is a very fair bottom line price for this particular car. That is my opinion and it is my car and my right to price it as I deem appropriate. Until and if a buyer comes along at that price, it is mine. I have certainly seen folks ask much more and offer much less. Either way, if a buyer is out there looking for something like this, it is my personal opinion based on my years of experience in this hobby that my price is very fair(not high and not low) giving consideration to the entire package of what this car has to offer.

For me personally, if I see something that I perceive for whatever reason is priced to high, I will either not comment or will compliment the vehicle and/or owner based on the positives. Even if I personally would not care to own it, that does not mean I don't have an appreciation for it because if the person that owns it and has taken the time, care and has an appreciation for the car, I can still have a great deal of respect for them and their car just because of my love for the hobby in general.

As far as anyone saying that a 1970 LS5 SS El Camino has a higher value that an 1970 L34 SS El Camino with all else being equal is something open for debate.

Since there are no hard production figures(not estimates) that I have ever seen for these two options(Z15 and Z25 respectively) and the factory horsepower ratings being 360HP and 350HP respectively, I simply cannot see that there would be any significant value difference between the two in my opinion. What value does 10HP and 52CI displacement difference really make if all else is the same?

I am confident that this will definitely, now turn into an opinion thread.

I have no problem with being corrected if I make a mistake and am certainly open to the opinions of others.

I can assure you that I as fair and as reasonable of a person as you will ever find or deal with.

Please guys, opinions are fine, but bashing is not. Feel free to voice your reasonable opinion as I look at everything with an open mind and am not interested in bashing anyone. If you have something to say that could be considered as counter-productive, please feel free to PM, email or even call and I will be happy to discuss it off thread as I truly do value the folks as well as the opinions offered by the folks on this site.

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[LVCamaro]

Bryan, you raise some good points and you're a very patient guy. If I were you, I'd be furious about a couple of the posts made by others in your thread. I'm pretty sure your for sale ad was not inspired by the need for others to tender their opinion about the value of your car. Sorry to interrupt your thread and I wish you good luck with the sale!

I've asked Rob to research the forum software to see if he can configure the for-sale section to be "read-only", but it may not be possible.

SS

[hvychev]

What the hell is going on with this site??? Twobryans, you DO NOT have to justify your price to anybody. Either someone is gonna buy it or they won't. Period. Sammy, you and I are cool so don't take this to personally, but why are you, and especially Ken (and several others), continually challenging the moderators? Like another forum owner told me in the past (and I did not like it). THIS IS NOT A DEMOCRACY!!! You have no right to continually challenge the moderators. It is a privilege to post on the sYc, not your right. The Clary's set the rules and the mods enforce them. If you don't like it, then start your own site about nothing because that is what the conversation on the sYc centers around now of days. God forbid we actually discuss a supercar because that might "offend" someone who doesn't own one or thinks their 79 Mustang II should be a supercar, or whatever.

I long for the days when the biggest controversy on the sYc was whether a Douglas Yenko should be considered a * or a supercar. Man, back then that was like a 15 page thread. It would be 50 pages now and I bet not one tenth of the substance that thread had. Rob, PLEASE look into a way you could change the code or whatever to make the classifieds like craigslist where they are read only and have a delete or edit feature, and that's it.

[CC Rider]

My opinion is; that is one KILLER Elky and would love to have it.

There, I feel better now. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Salvatore]

Making it a read only For Sale section is not the hot set-up either IMO. I think people like to see what they are buying. Only thing that really took me a little on this Elky is the statement saying "survivor". The term seems to get watered down more and more. You guys are right, anybody can ask any price they want for their cars. The hire the asking price for certain cars, the tougher the judging is. That is just life. Don't think anybody picked the car apart though. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dunno.gif P.S. Frankie, I would not challenge a moderator. I respect their positions. May not always agree, but would not challenge openly on the Site.

[kwhizz]

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Isn't the purpose of this site to discuss cars and to offer opinions??..........Sammy was just offering his opinion about the car........Being a little sensitive are we??................


Yep!!..........There go's that mean spirited Ken....starting trouble again...... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif



Ken

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[Schonyenko2]

It's a truck. A very nice truck.

[Xplantdad]

C'mon everyone...settle down a bit. The seller Bryan has a really neat El Camino for sale and that's what it's about. I can't imagine there are many left in this condition

If we are truly concerned about what is being said...how much different is it that people are "calling out" the supposed offenders openly on the site...while at the same time saying that these same types of comments should be taken to PM's?

I learned a really long time ago on this site to have a thick skin...and to not take anything personally...and to think twice about what I was about ready to post...for fear of misunderstanding (on the part of the readership of the post). I use the PM feature frequently...Like Jeff Morocco...whose mailbox is full http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't think that Sam meant what everyone 'thinks' that he posted...but who's to know? I certainly can't make that judgment...as I cannot mind read Sam http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/beers.gif

I, too, long for the days past where this type of stuff only happened during the dog days of winter...and even then rarely happened.

We all need to remember that we are adults...and in the grand scheme of things...is the banter really that necessary?



Anyways, Bryan...I hope that you have GREAT luck selling your bitchin El Camino...and please take one of your other neat rides out for a spin...it does wonders for the mind! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[737Driver]

That is a great looking truck and I would look good driving it (for an old fat bald guy).

Thing is, in my opinion, I wouldn't be too quick to discount remarks made, be they complimentary or otherwise. There is a certain amount of bullshit to wade through concerning all remarks, but, they do give a potential purchaser something to consider and ask questions about. Any seller, absolutely has the right to ask any price they see fit, however, any potential purchaser has the same right to ask/offer any concerns. If the seller is given an opportunity to post publicly, shouldn't any potential purchaser be afforded the same?

I believe there are certain folks that always have something negative to offer, but, they ARE members here and as the caveat emptor thingy applies to potential buyers, potential buyers should consider not only any negative/positive remarks made ,but, also the person who made them.

In my opinion, it would be counter productive to limit the 'For Sale' ads to read only.

Regards,

Mark

[kwhizz]

Thing is, in my opinion, I wouldn't be too quick to discount remarks made, be they complimentary or otherwise. There is a certain amount of bullshit to wade through concerning all remarks, but, they do give a potential purchaser something to consider and ask questions about. Any seller, absolutely has the right to ask any price they see fit, however, any potential purchaser has the same right to ask/offer any concerns. If the seller is given an opportunity to post publicly, shouldn't any potential purchaser be afforded the same?

I believe there are certain folks that always have something negative to offer, but, they ARE members here and as the caveat emptor thingy applies to potential buyers, potential buyers should consider not only any negative/positive remarks made ,but, also the person who made them.

In my opinion, it would be counter productive to limit the 'For Sale' ads to read only.

Regards,

Mark

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I agree with Mark........Like it or not, the members here are some of the most knowledgeable around and if the ads were changed to a read only forum....then the check and balance of that knowledge base would be lost.....sure...you can say if you don't like it, don't buy it....but, a by-product of the read only ads would be that sooner or later "Creative" descriptions would appear.....Now what do you do, is someone going to have to thru and "Screen" all the ads and determine which ones are allowed.......See where this is going?...........Checks and Balances....................Maybe "Scrutiny" isn't such a bad idea after all...........Sorry if I "Offend" anyone with my opinion...........

Ken http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/flag.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

While this situation may be a little different I'd like to share my take; like others have said, we can all say "If you're not interested in buying the car then keep your comments to yourself". However, in some cases, those comments may actually help the seller.
Example; I went to look at a 1970 454 Corvette a few years ago; car looked real nice but was a slug. Therefore I was no longer interested in the car; should I have just left it at that and not told the seller why I was not interested? Same goes with the recent situation where I went to go look at a Camaro SS that I had previously owned. The car had some issues that turned me off; again no longer interested.

In both cases I politely told the seller my reasons for losing interest in the car. The owner of the Corvette did some digging and found that his vacuum advance / timing was off. Once he fixed those items it really woke the car up; he sent me an email thanking me for my honesty.
The owner of my old Camaro agreed with some of my concerns with the car and wound up lowering his asking price.

So I think negative responses can be just as productive; in some cases more productive, than all of the positive comments. This is as long as the negative comments are delivered with respect and with good intentions.

[Late BrakeU2]

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So I think negative responses can be just as productive; in some cases more productive, than all of the positive comments. This is as long as the negative comments are delivered with respect and with good intentions.

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I just re read the whole thread and confirmed that there wasn't a single disparaging remark made on this truck- in fact every single post was complimentary. The only thing questioned was price- because quite frankly it's tens of thousands higher than i've ever seen a L34 sell for even as exemplary as this one. The thing that concerned me was what I perceived to be somewhat of an immediate overzealous response by not one but two moderators. I think they were offended by comments while the seller wasn't,and threatening to make it read only seems a little over the top but hey they volunteer their time here and can respect that.

Point is, when you adopt a shut up and move along attitude it sours some. This thread never had the tenor of going south, the pre emptive admonishment seemed excessive that's all. Rules are rules, but constructive criticism can be healthy when done respectfully. Noone was throwing rocks at his truck, he seems to have pretty thick skin and responded to all with class.
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