Day 2 vs Street Freaks vs Period Speed Parts

[PxTx]

Day 2 is a term I see lots of people using loosely, especially with guys trying to sell old speed parts. I first heard of the term form Dave "whitetop" on this site. I did a quick search and found this early thread referencing Day 2 mods.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=254&Number=2630#P ost2630

I don't know if he coined the phrase, but I wouldn't mind confirming what others think/know where the term came from. I kinda feel the spirit of a "day 2" mod might be mods and parts put on a car during the timeline which was typical for a car loan on these cars. What would that be about 3 years?

Seems like the mods done in the mid to late 1970's probably wouldn't be considered a day 2 mod anymore. Kinda starts falling into the street freak theme or just plain vintage speed parts.

The door is open on where to draw the line on day 2 vs "period correct" but I am interested to see what others think.

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_12_resized.jpg

[SuperNovaSS]

I agree, day 2 should be limited to a year or two after the car was sold. After all, the term implies the parts were added very soon after taking delivery.


Jason

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

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Nova w T/Ts and Cragers out back <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

Nice pickup with early bed painted to match.

Day 2, or a street freak? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[396L35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x Baldwin Motion</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_12_resized.jpg
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Nova w T/Ts and Cragers out back <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

Nice pickup with early bed painted to match.

Day 2, or a street freak? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif </div></div>

The Nova is Day 2 with the Ansen Ground Grabbers, T/Ts and Cragars. That Camaro would be like a Day 4 drag car with the gauges on the hood and the fat tires in the rear.

[Keith Tedford]

Right away I had to put bigger rubber on our old Chevelle. Within the first year or so I had added 15&quot; rallys and bigger rubber all around. The headers and Hurst shifter came along within the first couple of years as well. Buying the car generally emptied the bank accounts of us young guys and it took a while to save up enough for the add ons. Two years sounds reasonable for a day two car. Back in '68 I bought my Ram Air Firebird with about 6K miles on it. The original owner, a little older and flushed with money, had the new car done before it ever left the dealership. The engine was balanced and blueprinted with the Royal Pontiac Bobcat kit and headers added. The rear rims were widened to 8&quot; and fat MTs were added all around along with traction bars. A Camaro spoiler was added and the rear face was painted black. I guess you couldn't get any closer to Day 2 than that. It was a fun car to say the least.

[PxTx]

I might have to disagree about the Camaro. If all that stuff was put on the car in the first year of ownership, I would call it day 2. This is assuming all of the aftermarket stuff was new and not used- like a 3 year old tach or somthing. Day 2 can be mild or extreme but I think it's significance is that the items are correct to the date of the car, much like we value the matching date codes on the OE stuff.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 396L35</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x Baldwin Motion</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_12_resized.jpg
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Nova w T/Ts and Cragers out back <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

Nice pickup with early bed painted to match.

Day 2, or a street freak? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif </div></div>

The Nova is Day 2 with the Ansen Ground Grabbers, T/Ts and Cragars. That Camaro would be like a Day 4 drag car with the gauges on the hood and the fat tires in the rear. </div></div>

[Keith Tedford]

Our SS396 car still has the Stewart-Warner tach and gauges along with the Hurst shifter that the original owner installed back in Day 2. The Cragars aren't period correct but will do. The restored gas station makes a nice back drop for pictures.
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/photo.php?pid=1027301&amp;id=755995479&amp;ref=fbx_album&amp;f bid=37609245479

[PxTx]

Oh no! I see the trend developing around here. I'm gonna have to get a facebook account to see pictures. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh no! I see the trend developing around here. I'm gonna have to get a facebook account to see pictures. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif </div></div>

Well, since the site stopped hosting photos this is a real easy way to share photos with everyone. Unlike photo bucket, all your family and friends can be informed and view your pictures as soon as you post them. PLUS FB can host photos that are displayed here in our threads.

My favorite part, it's free and the grandparents and Great Grandparents can all get the kiddie pictures same day !!

[Salvatore]

I like Keiths views on Day-2. Some things got changed quick but some things had to wait till the car got payed off or so. There is a fine line from Day-2 and a drag car of that period. Wheels, headers, traction bars, a better shifter and some gauges to ME are day-2 mods. My 69 SS nova started Day-2 mods about 3 weeks after I bought it. Headers and a Hurst Competition plus was the first couple things. I bought a set of rally wheels from a friend and when my redline Uniroyals were used up I put some H/70 Schenuit's on the back. That was it till I made it a drag car only in about 1974. So........

[bashton]

I like to think we (MCACN) were one of the first to acknowledge the Day 2 mods for shows.

For the MCACN show, we offer a specific categeory called &quot;Day 2/Concours&quot;. This is judged in the same manner as a full-on Concours entry, with the exception being that period correct mods are considered in the judging process, IF they are date correct within 2 years of the original manufcature date of the vehicle, they pass the test. In most cases, aftermarket parts indeed can be date verified.

This category differs from our &quot;Street Stock/Modified&quot; classes in that SS/Mod can have any mods, color changes, engine swaps etc, but they are judged for quality of the mods, fit and finish with no regard to the age of the parts. In other words, a 69 Camaro with Radial T/A's, a color change and chrome valve covers may do great in SS/Mod, but would get major point deductions in Day 2 Concours.

Although we choose to use the 2-year rule, that is just our way of doing it and not a set rule for Day 2.

We created this category to acknowledge and encourage (and credit) a higher level of cars that are properly modified and also for cars like Nickeys, early Yenkos etc that may have had engine swaps when new, that would be docked points under &quot;standard&quot; Concours judging practices.

This is clearly our fastest growing category and is generating considerable interest.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[1970Ls6]

Just another reason to make it to MCAN in November

[resto4u]

The original owner of my 67 camaro RS-SS, said the original wheels and tires came off the car the same day he took delivery. Replaced with keystone mags.

[markjohnson]

Would that make your car &quot;Day 0.5&quot; then?

[markjohnson]

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

[PxTx]

I know someone was asking about the pics of the Nova I posted above. It's Joe Camuglia, original owner 69 SS350 4speed. There was a story on it in Hemmings

http://www.hemmings.com/mus/stories/2009/02/01/hmn_feature6.html

Here are a few more pics that didn't make the original article.

Here is the car in he dealers lot back in 1969.
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_04_resized.jpg

Original engine pic while still on the dealer lot, note overspray.
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_06_resized.jpg

The obligitory Cragar wheel change.
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_01_resized.jpg

Hooking hard at Lions
http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_03_resized.jpg

['69Novajoe]

<span style="color: #3333FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">Wow, what a shock to be looking at this post and seeing my car in it!! I'm actually going to pick the Nova up tomorrow and take it to a local cruise night in Garden Grove. It's still a blast to drive and keeps me young at the same time!! I still have the TT's, but the Cragar's are long gone. The tow tabs are also in storage right now.</span></span>

[mockingbird812]

I never tire reading Joe's story. Great car!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

['69Novajoe]

<span style="color: #3333FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">Don't know if this was ever posted before, but this is the &quot;day-2&quot; motor that I built about 3-4 months after taking delivery.................</span></span>
http://a.imageshack.us/img841/4351/novasobayctr4.jpg

[PxTx]

I couldn't resist posting those pics when discussing Day 2 mods. They are just priceless. Here I am trying to figure out what people consider Day 2 and there your story is writing the book on it! To have the story of the vintage mods and timeline so clearly doccumented by an original owner who lived it is pretty darn cool. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: '69Novajoe</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="color: #3333FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">Wow, what a shock to be looking at this post and seeing my car in it!! I'm actually going to pick the Nova up tomorrow and take it to a local cruise night in Garden Grove. It's still a blast to drive and keeps me young at the same time!! I still have the TT's, but the Cragar's are long gone. The tow tabs are also in storage right now.</span></span> </div></div>

[TDW]

Hey Joe...Why did you swap sides for the alternator when you did the engine swap?
The pictures of the car on the Dealers lot are priceless.

[396L35]

http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/camuglia_04_resized.jpg

I'll take the RS/SS Camaro....

[Xplantdad]

Joe's car was also featured as a members ride here...before it was in Hemmings. There is also a video of his car running at Lions as well!

BTW, I was lucky enough to get a ride in Joe's Nova ...we drove right past the entrance to OCIR.

Joe's a great guy...and the car is soooo cool!

[PxTx]

You're right. link for the lazy

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=323372#Post3233 72

I really dig the old SW electric fuel pump too.

[x Baldwin Motion]

here's something you don't see every day..


http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs423.snc4/46577_1574793137820_1475314340_31510084_7735418_n. jpg

['69Novajoe]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDW</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Joe...Why did you swap sides for the alternator when you did the engine swap?
The pictures of the car on the Dealers lot are priceless. </div></div>
<span style="color: #3333FF"><span style="font-weight: bold">Well Tony, when we did the engine, back in the day, I didn't think I could put the alternator on the &quot;correct&quot; side because the heads we installed didn't have the bolt holes in them like the stock heads did. So I bought a &quot;short&quot; water pump, changed out the pulleys and used the header alternator mount on the driver's side. I changed everything back to &quot;correct&quot; in 1997 when I realized that I could use the stock brackets for the alternator and just put a nut on the end of the bolt that was supposed to go into the head. I had the original water pump rebuilt, reinstalled the original smog pump, added tubes into the headers I bought in 1969 and it was just like &quot;day 1&quot; again (well almost!!). It's hard to see in the picture, but after I had the headers aluminized, I painted them baby blue. Remember when that was the &quot;hot&quot; color for headers, or even white??

BTW, I did go to the Garden Grove cruise night tonight and ended up winning a trophy for &quot;Best Original&quot;!! I was totally surprised!!</span></span>

[Xplantdad]

Winning a trophy for best original? It was a slam dunk! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif