Rust remover - more amazing uses!

[njsteve]

Most of you probably remember when I found this stuff and used it to clean the surface rust from the entire underside of my Trans Am: http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=430078&page=26

Well, since I'm done with the T/A I decided to get the old Project Pit Viper cleaned up since it has been sitting for 10 years in the garage serving as a work bench/parts storage rack for at least the last 6 years.

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I needed to get the rusty rotors cleaned and didnt want to just drive them to scrape the rust off. So I pulled the wheels and rotors and then soaked the rotors in the safest rust remover liquid. It was amazing. In just over 15 minutes the rust was gone. The key with this stuff is to get an aquarium heater and let it heat up the liquid to 70 or 80 degrees. The rust just dissolves away.

Here are the rotors before:

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and while soaking:

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And after about an hour:

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Here is the website for the place. They are here in New Jersey. This is where the Oklahoma Time Capsule 57 Plymouth is currently being derusted. I saw it while I was up there the other day.

http://www.safestrustremover.com/

[njsteve]

The other thing I needed to attend to was to get the surface rust off of the battery tray. On the early Vipers the battery tray is underneath the trunk floor, welded to the right rear frame rail and pretty much unaccessible from the top or bottom. I rigged up a curtain of plastic around the battery box and folded it into a bucket. I then used the sump pump and a hose to a spray head and routed that into the trunk to spray the liquid over the tray and down the curtain into the bucket, where it gets recylced back again. I just let it flow for a few hours and it works very well.

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[mockingbird812]

Nice job Mac! One comment however regarding:

&quot;<span style="font-style: italic">The key with this stuff is to get an aquarium heater and let it heat up the liquid to 70 or 80 degrees.</span>&quot;

Out here we'd need an aquarium <span style="font-style: italic">refrigeration</span> system. You let anything sit out in ambient temperatures for very long and you begin to worry about things boiling!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif

[njsteve]

LOL! I bought the one gallon concentrate that when added with four gals of water make five gals of rust remover. The warmer it gets, the better it works, so you're in the right place!

[SmallHurst]

I did not think that anything ever rusted in AZ??? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[mockingbird812]

I saw it once out her Rusty - but then again <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif maybe it was an illusion or one of them oasis thingermajigs.

[m22mike]

Who's...her Rusty...? Was she a redhead Sam ?? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[mockingbird812]

Remind me to slap you the next time I see you.

[m22mike]

Aye Aye sir.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[allcamaro]

I am doing a 19,000 survivor Camaro now and the factory grease marks are no harmed at all.
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[njsteve]

Here's the battery tray after a day of letting the fluid continuously circulate over the area:

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Underneath where the fluid ran by, you can see how it dissolved the rust there too.

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I then relocated the shower head to spray the underside for another day.

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It really is neat to see how it just washes away the rust and doesn't alter the metal underneath.

Now you can really see the horrible, original welds done on these cars. It looked like the factory had some beginner junior high school students in shop class weld up the frames. I'd give them a C- for the final grade.

[Tommy_Mathison]

Be VERY careful using this stuff on plated and aluminum parts. It dissolves both.

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy_Mathison</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be VERY careful using this stuff on plated and aluminum parts. It dissolves both. </div></div>

Are you sure you're talking about this stuff because it is not phosphoric acid-based like most of the rust destroyers/converters out there. It is harmless to everything I've come across, other than rust.

I've been playing with stuff for 5 years now and it does not affect anything other than rusted steel and cast iron. In fact I've used it to clean the surface rust off of chrome plated trim parts and cad plated electrical components with amazing results and with no harm to the plated surfaces.

[Tommy_Mathison]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy_Mathison</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be VERY careful using this stuff on plated and aluminum parts. It dissolves both. </div></div>

Are you sure you're talking about this stuff because it is not phosphoric acid-based like most of the rust destroyers/converters out there. It is harmless to everything I've come across, other than rust.

I've been playing with stuff for 5 years now and it does not affect anything other than rusted steel and cast iron. In fact I've used it to clean the surface rust off of chrome plated trim parts and cad plated electrical components with amazing results and with no harm to the plated surfaces. </div></div>

I had it strip the plating off a survivor 29295 diverter valve and eat through the aluminum body of an original 40669 AC fuel pump. I saved both parts and can provide photos. It was indeed Safest Rust Remover. I've been using the stuff for years. Pretty amazing stuff.

[njsteve]

What kind of time frame did it take to do that? How long were the parts soaking in it?

[Tommy_Mathison]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What kind of time frame did it take to do that? How long were the parts soaking in it? </div></div>

The diverter valve was overnight. The fuel pump was definitely weeks. I forgot it in the solution. Still, I was absolutely amazed at the deterioration of the aluminum.

Just a heads up for everyone using the stuff. I still use it to this day but am much more cautious. Overall, an awesome product. Customer service sucks, however. Never returned multiple messages inquiring on the potential problems with plated and aluminum parts.

[MosportGreen66]

I'm doing an original flash chrome valve cover with poor results. Been soaking for 12 hrs with little change in rust break down. I'm hoping over night I begin to see results. Steve, can you share any wisdom? It is fully submerged, baked in the sun all day... I did a pair of original mid yr bbc side pipes with results so good I should have sent them to the manufacturers in hopes they'd post the before/after photos on the website. This valve cover is downright pesky.

[njsteve]

How old is the fluid? After you use this stuff it is really critical to run it through a folded rag wth a magnet folded in it or a paint filter, to get the metal residue out. I did both and then used an old electric fuel pump to push it through a fuel filter. If you don't clean the fluid, the metal particles remain in suspension and the fluid breaks down and loses its effectiveness rapidly. The darker the fuild gets, the closer to it is to the end of its lifespan. The rotors photo above was taken after putting the rotors in brand new clear fluid. By the end of the weekend it was dark yellow. Also when using the shower method you will have to add more water eventually as the water in the fuild evaporates. After finishing up the battery box spray and gathering up the fluid to filter, I was down over a gallon and a half of water from the original 5 gallons I started with. (That was with no spills anywhere).

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tommy_Mathison</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Be VERY careful using this stuff on plated and aluminum parts. It dissolves both. </div></div>

I've also had plating removed in just an overnight soaking. In my case it was on a cad plated vacuum advance unit.

Another thing to be careful of. I forgot about some bolts and they soaked for a few weeks. They shrunk from a 5/16-18 to about 1/4-20's.

[Postsedan]

They shrunk from a 5/16-18 to about 1/4-20's

Rick, this is way too much info, a bit personal don`t you think?

Dan

[Paul_S]

I've used it to remove zinc plate. Yes, be careful with zinc and aluminum parts. -You can do controlled/short dips (multiple if necessary) followed by a good rinse with water and wipe-down with a clean towel to prevent over-soaking and keeping a brighter finish.

[Kurt S]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Are you sure you're talking about this stuff because it is not phosphoric acid-based like most of the rust destroyers/converters out there. It is harmless to everything I've come across, other than rust.
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MSDS - http://www.ultraone.ca/pdfs/MSDS-SafestrRustRemover.pdf

[Verne_Frantz]

I've used it with very good results on AFB carbs when throttle shafts or choke shafts were stuck or rusted. It removed all the rust, freed up the shafts and there was no sign of any harm to the aluminum at all. It also seems to have an ability to remove aluminum oxide, judging by the cleaner surface of the AFB castings, but that doesn't mean it attacks aluminum. Since the primary chemical in it is H2O, leaving aluminum in it over time will cause the aluminum to oxidize. Then of course, the product removes the oxide. IF you play that senario out long enough, you'll wind up with a lot less aluminum because it's turned into oxide which is then removed by the product.

A lot of platings are the product of &quot;growing&quot; an oxide film on a part in a solution with other chemicals. Those platings (such as cad or zinc) may disolve in this product. Other platings, such as chrome, are depositions, purely created from the chemical bath its in. Those platings are not likely to be affected because they are not based on an oxidation process with the base metal to make them grow on the surface.

Put an original black oxide bolt in this stuff and it will come out bare metal. ....but it won't turn into a smaller sized bolt!

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[njsteve]

Playing amateur chemist here, could it be that if the solution has absorbed so much iron from the derusting process, when you place a dissimilar metal like aluminum in it, it could cause an electrolytic action that eventually deteriorates the aluminum?

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Put an original black oxide bolt in this stuff and it will come out bare metal. ....but it won't turn into a smaller sized bolt!

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
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In this case I have to disagree as here is the evidence of it doing exactly that, shrinking bolts.
I placed an original bolt alongside to show how much they shrank. It ate the flanges and the threads equally.
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[njsteve]

If only we could somehow reverse the process so that when you pour this stuff on a rusty quarter panel, it adds metal and &quot;heals&quot; the holes.

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[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: njsteve</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Playing amateur chemist here, could it be that if the solution has absorbed so much iron from the derusting process, when you place a dissimilar metal like aluminum in it, it could cause an electrolytic action that eventually deteriorates the aluminum? </div></div>

Steve,
I think that an absorption of more iron oxide (it doesn't absorb iron) into the liquid would just slow down anything it could do. I don't know the chemical composition of this liquid, but it just seems to absorb oxides.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

Rick,
I don't know what solution you soaked those bolts in, but it sure wasn't the liquid we're discussing here! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rick,
I don't know what solution you soaked those bolts in, but it sure wasn't the liquid we're discussing here! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif </div></div>

Verne,
Well I'm not going to try to prove it to you, but you're wrong, <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif as I know what I had those bolts soaking in.
It most definitely was in Safest Rust Remover.