need some help 1970 ls6 camaro

[carguy99]

just bought a 1970 ls6 camaro ss from 2nd owner who new the orginal owner says he bought it new like that.car is an l34 car with 4 speed has a crr block in it alum heads everything on motor is correct the car isnt flashy has headers that go into stock exhaust 2nd owner says he put the headers on.trying to find out where the motor was put in at if any of the super car dealers installed it. any help would be great thanks

[SS427]

Harrell did LS6 Camaro conversions (at least one street car) in 1970 so that is one place to start. There are some things that Harrell did to these cars that might fit his M.O. so list everything under the hood and lets see some photos of the engine compartment. He normally put decals on the valve covers and cowl area so look for them. Back in the 70's, most high performance dealers would do conversions for you depending on how much you wanted to spend so it could be just about anyone. Do you have any idea who the selling dealer was?

[carguy99]

ill get some pics up with in the next couple days no stickers or emblems some one put some newer style 454 ones on the valve covers.i emailed the contact info at dickharrell.com yesterday havent heard back yet.from what the 2nd owner says it was bought out of heller chevrolet in gilford,ct tried searching for them came up with nothing.

[iluv69s]

Don't I recall the green Harrell car being the advertised as 'one and only' 70 Harrell Camaro?? I believe a 72 454 recently was mentioned here also.....there was also the Motion 454 cars..but I assume that would be more obvious.

[Kim_Howie]

Where are you comming up with the one and only??

[AutoInsane]

I could not find any information on a 'Heller Chevrolet' let alone find a 'Gilford' Connecticut. I did find a Mannix Family Chevrolet in 'Guilford Connecticut:

Article about what the Mannix family is going to use the property for:

http://www.theday.com/article/20100520/N...mplate=zip06art (http://www.theday.com/article/20100520/NWS01/305209831/-1/zip06details&town=Guilford&template=zip06art)

"The 23,000 square foot former car dealership was built in 1968 and has been owned by Charles Mannix, Sr., a General Motors dealer for 41 years, since 1991, Mannix, Jr., said.

Last year as the giant car manufacturer declared bankruptcy, General Motors closed 1,700 of its dealerships. The dealership tried to stay open as an independent, but it couldn't sustain itself, said Mannix, Jr."

Perhaps someone on here has some additional information or you could contact the Mannix family and inquire about a 'Heller' Chevrolet.

[AutoInsane]

1970 Harrell LS6 that was for sale on here:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=364892&page=1

[iluv69s]

Kim,

I thought the car was advertised that way at some point. 'The one and only'...I was very interested in purchasing the car at one point...if only it was a stickkk...

But my memory may be failing me....it would not be the first time..

Now that I think about it...You have another true?? Duh!!

Max

[Kim_Howie]

I see where that came from. It was adv as the one and only street car. Mine never was a street car.

[396L35]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kim_Howie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I see where that came from. It was adv as the one and only street car. Mine never was a street car. </div></div>
Yes it was when it left the factory with the 6 cylinder destine to end up with an old lady before Dick changed its future.

[carguy99]

heres some pics
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/bbef0da3.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/5affdceb.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/fb0b375b.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/3f36ac5e.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/8c70ff1b.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/d852dc2b.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/c5d89fb2.jpg
http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc39/yodasphotobucket/5d45f405.jpg

[Keith Tedford]

Those 454 breather decals are from the much later trucks when GM went to the die cast valve covers. Restored with what it has, the car would be quite a nice performer.

[markjohnson]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Keith Tedford</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those 454 breather decals are from the much later trucks when GM went to the die cast valve covers. Restored with what it has, the car would be quite a nice performer. </div></div>
Man, I gotta agree! The 1970 SS454 (LS-6) Camaro is the car that Chevrolet should have built! What a bad-ass car that would have been! The LS-6 454 was even listed in the AMA Specifications for the 1970 Camaro so that Paper Tiger came extremely close to reality. Heck, the parts &amp; pieces are out there and it wouldn't be too hard to build a great &quot;what if?&quot; car. Imagine that beast in Pure Stock competition.

[AutoInsane]

What leads you to believe this is a Harrell car? Any paperwork???

Great pics!!

[olredalert]

-----Bill,,,Carguy didnt say anything about Harrell. Just everybody else saying Harrell did build a few (maybe 1 for street?) LS6 Camaros. Seems to me that this old car could have been converted by just about anyone. Im actually unclear about why anybody would think it was done at a dealership. Conn is a long way from from the midwest and this was back in the day when info was primarily gotten thru magazines. I know, as I built my version of a Motion 69 Corvette back in 69/70. Every piece of info I got was gleaned out of magazines. I couldnt afford to send the car to Motion but could afford to modify it myself to my own taste! Much like what we see here.......Bill S

[carguy99]

yeah im just trying to find out who/where is was built.gotta a friend who has worked a a local chevy dealer the last 30 years hes been checking on whatever he can.he says that not just any dealerships back then could do the ls6 swap they had to be authorized from what hes found out so far.

[olredalert]

----Robby,,,I as well as others on this sight have worked at Chevy as well as other GM dealerships and Ive not heard of any kind of authorization program, ever! If there was a good enough mechanic in the service bay and a guy was willing to pay for the installation almost any dealer would do a switch like this. The key here is &quot;willing to pay&quot; as the dealership would have undoubtedly charged more than a local service station, or speed shop, or a guys buddy down the street that knew what he was doing. You have a neat piece here but my money is on a more homegrown transplant......Bill S

[SuperNovaSS]

Does it have a 12 bolt? If so, what is the code? what is the redline on the tach? Distributor numbers? I would say this car would have a better shot than most at being at least a transplant done early on based on the suffix code. Most dealers would start with a L78 car since they could get the LS6 short block and transfer all the top end parts over from the L78.

Jason

[SuperNovaSS]

Oops, just reread the first post, L34 car originally.


Jason

[carguy99]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
----Robby,,,I as well as others on this sight have worked at Chevy as well as other GM dealerships and Ive not heard of any kind of authorization program, ever! If there was a good enough mechanic in the service bay and a guy was willing to pay for the installation almost any dealer would do a switch like this. The key here is &quot;willing to pay&quot; as the dealership would have undoubtedly charged more than a local service station, or speed shop, or a guys buddy down the street that knew what he was doing. You have a neat piece here but my money is on a more homegrown transplant......Bill S </div></div>

i dont know thats just what he was telling me he has some paperwork to give me hes still tracking things down.from what hes is telling me not just anybody could walk in and buy that motor.everything on the motor is coming back to ls6 heads/intake so its not just a swapped block.really just trying to determine a value on this thing either selling it as is or restoring it and selling. thanks for all the input good or bad it helps

[carguy99]

if someone wants the vin to check out anywhere just let me know

[carguy99]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: AutoInsane</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I could not find any information on a 'Heller Chevrolet' let alone find a 'Gilford' Connecticut. I did find a Mannix Family Chevrolet in 'Guilford Connecticut:

Article about what the Mannix family is going to use the property for:

http://www.theday.com/article/20100520/N...mplate=zip06art (http://www.theday.com/article/20100520/NWS01/305209831/-1/zip06details&amp;town=Guilford&amp;template=zip06art)

&quot;The 23,000 square foot former car dealership was built in 1968 and has been owned by Charles Mannix, Sr., a General Motors dealer for 41 years, since 1991, Mannix, Jr., said.

Last year as the giant car manufacturer declared bankruptcy, General Motors closed 1,700 of its dealerships. The dealership tried to stay open as an independent, but it couldn't sustain itself, said Mannix, Jr.&quot;

Perhaps someone on here has some additional information or you could contact the Mannix family and inquire about a 'Heller' Chevrolet. </div></div>
hey thanks for that bit of info it turns out they were heller he is even checking to see if there is any records around maybe i will get lucky

[Stefano]

Kool Camaro!

[x77-69z28]

Not sure if I missed anything here, but did you run the vin thru NCRS to find out where it was sold new?

[427.060]

4 year old thread??
James

[x77-69z28]

Didn't notice that!

[Tracker1]

OK, I'LL PLAY YOUR SILLY GAME

http://www.mecum.com/lot-detail.cfm?lot_id=SC0513-154227

[Lynn]

No pic of the on that car.
Any documentation to back up the story?

Anyone know why the trim tag was removed?

[Lynn]

Meant to say no pic of the vin.

[ZL1.FUN]

Any one have under side of the mecum hood photo like to see how the plenum I'd set up.

[x77-69z28]

There are under hood photos above

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Meant to say no pic of the vin. </div></div>

Lynn,

If you are referring to the Mecum 00001 camaro, the car has been discussed and magazine-articled to death (Musclecar Review, ALL CHEVY, Super Chevy) on this site and other second gen. camaro sites over the last 10 years....David Tom (owner) chimes in here:

http://www.nastyz28.com/forum/showthread.php?t=60516&amp;highlight=500001