My '69 Z28 Find

[MosportGreen66]

Hi Guys,

A few people know from following my Facebook page that I was recently turned onto a fantastic '69 Z28. I owe the lead to Jeff Boone (69L78 here). I thank him for his enthusiasm. He is true good-nature hobbyist! I had Jeff inspect the car Monday and Wednesday I drove truck and trailer to purchase the car. Ok... onto the Z.

Very early 1969 Z28. Very rare "M" code block, original motor, trans, rear, heads, carb, 837 alt, 9204 master, power steering, flat hood, console, no gauges, 729 interior (deluxe with woodgrain), late '68 dated seat belts, white houndstooth, pre-x code tag but has "X3" on the bulk head, even has the original smog system (pump, hoses, inlets, diverter valve, check value and all hardware) sitting in a box for reinstall too. Will need 1/4's later on + a trunk floor and of course a restoration but as we begin to bring the car back to road-worthy condition, I'm continuously impressed by the car's refreshing original state.

Plans for it now include a thorough cleaning, dusting, new carpet, belts, hoses, fluids, plugs, wires, shifter rebuild, t handle, sun tach, traction bars, a good set of shocks, and tires. When all that is done, she'll get some new front end bushings and a wheel alignment because I need a driver! The car was authenticated by Jerry MacNeish too.

Onto the photos... Have a nice night.

Thanks,
Dan

Rough but man does she have character

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aftermarket hood from the past owner - yes emblem will be corrected tomorrow!

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dirty interior... just wait for it...

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[MosportGreen66]

Motor

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Early tag

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Original master and radiator

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[MosportGreen66]

X33 indicator

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Spent all night on the interior with Mr. Clean Magic Eraser - LOVE this stuff

50/50 shot of dirty and clean

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all done

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Spot the dirty lower seat - look at the clean items surrounding

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[MosportGreen66]

Score of the evening!

The car had no paperwork present during the time of the sale but was convinced something would turn up when we took apart the interior for cleaning and carpet. Sure enough, the broadcast sheet for the car was under the driver's footwell area.

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Items include dealer 218 - zone 10, tag matching 158440 Norwood #, 729 trim, 71-71 paint, DZ motor... Does anyone know about the "XF" trans? I know its the original M21.

And finally with the original hood on it

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Maybe I'll get around to washing it tomorrow?

Thanks for looking.
Dan

Boy o boy looks like you saved the broadcast sheet just in time. Have you tried turning over the engine yet?

[m22mike]

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Very cool to see a 69 Z28 with a flat hood. I love the white cowl too.

Mike <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[CC Rider]

Nice! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[72-SS-L48]

Dave here, Dan's brother
Thanks for the appreciation, guys!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Boy o boy looks like you saved the broadcast sheet just in time. Have you tried turning over the engine yet? </div></div>

Frank, sorry Dan did not say - motor pulls strong, runs very well! Healthy too, chirped the tires with ease...

[Salvatore]

very, very good guys. Perfect color combo too! keep up the good work and the pictures. Love the early cars!

[mockingbird812]

Nice score Dan! She's a BEAUT! Keep us posted on her progress. What a combo!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[69z28302]

Great Find . I love reading about 69's like this. Can you give us any info on the car? Where it was found? How long had the previous owner had it ect.?

Again great find!
Mike

[jannes_z-28]

Nice find, love the flat hooded Z's


Jan

[MosportGreen66]

Thanks for the kind words gents!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great Find . I love reading about 69's like this. Can you give us any info on the car? Where it was found? How long had the previous owner had it ect.?

Again great find!
Mike </div></div>

Car was in Hanover, PA for about 7 years with the previous owner. He drove it about 150 miles in that time period. The owner before him had it since his return from Vietnam - 1972 or so is when he bought it. He was also from that area. We have his contact information but will wait until we can send him him a nice written letter with photos of the car before reaching out.

More photos to come later today!

[70 copo]

Very nice!! Great find. I have a original flat hood green/white stripe barn find on my radar right now. Keep the photos coming!

[Born30YrsLate]

Nicely done!...looks like she'll clean-up pretty good too!

[69z28302]

Thanks for the update Dan. Look forward to more pictures. Is this a &quot;no spoiler&quot; car originally
Mike

[1969z280]

Dan, Great find! Great color combination! And a flat hood... priceless!

[Xplantdad]

I saw this on Facebook...so cool Dan!

Thanks for sharing with us the first of many pics! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Very nice combo. Please keep the flat hood.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Nice find Dan!! Lot's of luck with it,enjoy.Can't wait to see more pics.

[92646]

What a score with my favorite interior color. After seeing so many restored Z/28s it is so refreshing to see a flat hood original car. Is this car exceptional or did most most original Camaros have this good of panel alignment from the factory? I would do what ever I could to save those fenders because you are not going to get that great of a fit even with NOS fenders.

[iluv69s]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Guys,
Very early 1969 Z28. Very rare &quot;M&quot; code block, </div></div>

ok, stumped me on the &quot;M code block&quot; ??

Awesome find with great colors !! Congrats !!!

[black69]

very cool car! I did not think norwood cars even had build sheets. Most of the unrestored camaros I have seen have a bigger than normal gap between the front fender and the leading edge of the door, and when restored that gap is reduced.

[x Baldwin Motion]

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Nice. good luck Dan

[SS427]

I have been following it on Facebook as well. Awesome find!!!!

[1969l78]

Great Find!!!!!

[69L78]

It is a 386 block with a casting date of M34. I believe if you go to the Camaro.net website there is some research done that explains the M coded block.

[MosportGreen66]

Thanks a lot guys!

No spoiler, flat hood. The rear spoiler was added (not by me). I will not be putting a cowl hood on the car. It was there was I purchased it. The original flat hood is here to stay.

Thanks,
Dan

<span style="font-weight: bold">From the CRG on the M Code Block:
&quot;M&quot;-Coded Blocks
There is one exception to this convention that has been observed: some blocks have been seen with &quot;M&quot; cast codes. Research by the Saginaw Metal Casting Operations of GM Powertrain Division has found that these &quot;M&quot; codes are not date codes, but actually a foundry code used to indentify parts that were made to evaluate a casting process change. After evaluating the parts, the blocks would either be destroyed or released into production. There is no way to determine the date an &quot;M&quot;-coded block was poured. </span>

[Charley Lillard]

Please put me in line when you are ready to part with it. Since you said no spoiler it is perfect, just perfect.

[RamAirDave]

That is almost the exact car I want for a daily driver. LMB, White HS, flat hood, #s Z. Myself, I would have to add RS and an endura <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[Steve Shauger]

A big thanks to Jeff and congrats to Dan. Great color and options. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[scuncio]

Cool find, reminds me a lot of the early Z I owned a few years ago and sold to James (firstgenaddict).

[427TJ]

Flat hood, no spoilers, good colors! I couldn't sleep at night if I had found/bought this beauty. Congrats Dan.

[x77-69z28]

way to go dan! great find. take alot of pictures. love those flat hood cars. the first thing i did when i bought my z-28 in 1978 was to go to chevrolet and buy a cowl hood. it was on the car until 2002 when i realized how great they look with the flat hood!

[Kurt S]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sure enough, the broadcast sheet for the car was under the driver's footwell area.

Items include dealer 218 - zone 10, tag matching 158440 Norwood #, 729 trim, 71-71 paint, DZ motor... Does anyone know about the &quot;XF&quot; trans? I know its the original M21.</div></div>
That's not the broadcast sheet. That's the IBM computer card - don't see them very often.
Zone 10 is Colorado. Don't know the dealer.
XF is an M21.

Congrats!

[72-SS-L48]

Hi Guys,

I had the car out this afternoon. Took a few pictures and figured I would post them here. Dan and I are so pleased with this car and its originality is fantastic.

Best,
Dave

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[BARNFOUND YENKO]

Great looking Z!! Take a couple of minutes and reinstall the Z/28 grill emblem to the correct spot. It's like wayyy off. Once again nice car!!

[Enoch]

Hey Dan and Dave,

Great find and Great choice on the NOS sheetmetal. I would also look for a good rust free floor from a donor car The repro floors don’t have all the right indents, creases, wrinkles and bracket impressions that the factory floors do. This way you can butt weld the repair sections in. An original car like this deserves that.

Rich

[Donnie]

should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle.
and whats the part number on the p/s pulley?

[mmcporter]

Wonderful find Dan. Congrats!

[RPOLS3]

Very nice. Enjoy it.

Jake

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle.
and whats the part number on the p/s pulley? </div></div>

PS caps were plastic as pictured in 1969 and the pulley is a 105DD.

[BARRY]

NO,,,, AS DONNIE said it sould have a metal power steering cap and the gas line block looks brand new?????

[Salvatore]

Dave and Dan.....I would take that car down to the local spray car wash and gently hit the engine bay with some power water and take it home and Boeshield or WD-40 everything under the hood and then wipe it down or spray some on a rag and wipe all metal. Will look good and preserve some of what is left of the paint and toning.

[Donnie]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle.
and whats the part number on the p/s pulley? </div></div>

PS caps were plastic as pictured in 1969 and the pulley is a 105DD. </div></div>

the reason I ask. is I believe both kinds were put on cars in 69

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the reason I ask. is I believe both kinds were put on cars in 69 </div></div>

I would agree with that, Donnie. My all-original 69 Chevelle has a plastic PS cap that I have absolutely no reason to believe has ever been changed, and yet I have had some self-professed 'experts' tell me that it is &quot;wrong&quot; for the car <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif

[Steve Shauger]

I have inspected very early survivor 69 camaros from 9B of 68 and found them to have the black plastic type, and the cars have been from both LA and Nor. Does that represent every car or take into consideration vendor shortages and such no, but every original 69 camaro I have inspected has had the black plastic. Donnie what information do you have regarding the usage of the metal cap? BTW the metal cap part# is 846 and the plastic is 820.

[Charley Lillard]

I have a 29K mile 69 survivor with a plastic cap.

[70 Forest Green Zee]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARNFOUND YENKO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great looking Z!! Take a couple of minutes and reinstall the Z/28 grill emblem to the correct spot. It's like wayyy off. Once again nice car!! </div></div>


More than just the emblem...grill should be argent silver and the surround should be body color.....grill and surround must have been replaced at some point huh?? Cool find!!

[x77-69z28]

that is the same power steering cap as my 05A z-28. black plastic.

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARNFOUND YENKO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Great looking Z!! <span style="font-weight: bold">Take a couple of minutes and reinstall the Z/28 grill emblem to the correct spot. It's like wayyy off.</span> Once again nice car!! </div></div>

I agree on both points

NICE car, it looks awesome as is ...

on to the pet peeves ...

WHY are SO many Camaros (especially 69's) out there with the emblems installed so far &quot;off&quot;???

That almost bugs me more than the people that put new grilles in them without painting body color around the perimeter ...

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[Rixls6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">should the power steering cap be the metal 2 ear kind?
like the Chevelle.
and whats the part number on the p/s pulley? </div></div>

I think Donnie is referring to what some have found on some original `69 Chevelles. Camaros may never had the metal caps.
Here's an original 67K mile Jan. built `69 Chevelle.
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[Donnie]

Steve, I dont have any information only my observations over the years.
that either kind could be on a 69.
so it sounds like the majority of Camaros got the plastic cap and the majority of Chevelles got the metal cap.
but sense both types were used in 69 you could be the minority. as Bills car is my Chevelle also has the plastic cap and it appears original to the car.
and I dont want some judge at a show taking off points and telling me its NOT correct.

sorry about getting this off track Dan

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Donnie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, I dont have any information only my observations over the years.
that either kind could be on a 69.
so it sounds like the majority of Camaros got the plastic cap and the majority of Chevelles got the metal cap.
but sense both types were used in 69 you could be the minority. as Bills car is my Chevelle also has the plastic cap and it appears original to the car.
and I dont want some judge at a show taking off points and telling me its NOT correct.

sorry about getting this off track Dan
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Hi Donnie,

I missed your reference to Chevelles. My understanding is that for Chevelles the plastic cap was a mid year introduction. Again I was exclusively talking about the Camaro. Thanks for the clarification.

[VintageMusclecar]

Awesome find Dan, congrats <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[MosportGreen66]

Hi Guys, I'll check the cap tonight and post photos...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: VintageMusclecar</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Awesome find Dan, congrats <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

Thanks a lot Eric! Means a lot to me coming from you!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70COPO</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> More than just the emblem...grill should be argent silver and the surround should be body color.....grill and surround must have been replaced at some point huh?? Cool find!! </div></div>

I never really checked to be honest. I will tonight. Its got some horrible overspray in the grill area. About 50% original paint remains.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dave and Dan.....I would take that car down to the local spray car wash and gently hit the engine bay with some power water and take it home and Boeshield or WD-40 everything under the hood and then wipe it down or spray some on a rag and wipe all metal. Will look good and preserve some of what is left of the paint and toning. </div></div>

Thats the plan, Sammy. Just need to find the time. The motor compartment is dirt but with gentle cleaning we'll be able to preserve her!

[JoeG]

Really cool find Dan.........

Hey, is that Houndstooth int... dark blue or black........

[Mike]

Great car Dan....enjoy it! I had to do a double take when I first saw your photos because there is almost an exact duplicate of your car in the Syracuse area. Original owner still owns it and is going to restore it some day, one of those deals.

[MosportGreen66]

For inquiring minds, my early 68 dated Z had a plastic cap. Been swamped at work, new job, but will try for a photo tomorrow.

Thanks again for the compliments. Mike - I'd love to see some photos of that car. Could you email me some? Thanks buddy.

[MosportGreen66]

Here is the IBM card...

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[MosportGreen66]

and cap

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[Lemans69]

Subframe and suspension painted white???

[MosportGreen66]

Here is what I can make out from enlarging the photos on my Mac...

Model - 12437
Paint - 71 71
Trim - 729
Box 31 - 5
Box 32 - 6
Box 36 - 0
Box 38 - 9
Dealer - 218
Order # or FSO # - NBH293 (?)
Zone - 10
Engine - DZ
Transmission - XF
Axel - BU
Identification - 158440

Does anyone have a decoder for the non-obvious?

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lemans69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Subframe and suspension painted white??? </div></div>

The control arm shafts yes, done in car, but otherwise there is no white paint. overspray from the job is evident and seen in the photo.

[Lemans69]

Thanks Dan, I can't wait to see the engine compartment after cleaning. What a great car!!!

[SuperNovaSS]

Excellent Find! I know you have been looking for awhile. This shows that patience pays off!


Jason

[resto4u]

What was the IBM card used for? First step of the car order? Was the build sheet printed from the IBM card? Must be rare to find one, if they used the buildsheet to build the car.

[PeteLeathersac]

I think I've mentioned this here in the past but late 60's when I was a kid we lived in Oshawa GM Canada town and my dad used to bring these IBM cards home to use as paper or other stuff...like our bicycle spokes held w/ clothespins!.
Dad was an electrical-mechanical engineer / math-physics guru who had quit the business world to teach school and was head of math at one of the large Oshawa high schools..
He was into computers then and had been since the 50's although besides big business there was little going on w/ them in the late 60's..
I have no idea how he was ending up w/ the IBM cards but being they were lose you'd expect whatever they were used for at the GM plant was over after the cars were built also not usually left in cars?.

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~ Pete

[bergy]

Those IBM cards were what we used to program the computers with! All the students at General Motors Institute had to learn &quot;FORTRAN IV&quot;. Each step in the program sequence had to be punched onto those cards and read into the computer. Raw data was also fed into the computers on punch cards. If you wanted to computer to &quot;know&quot; all of the build options on a car, a keypunch operator had to punch out an IBM card from the list provided. After the cards were read by the computer, the inventory requirements were calculated for the rolling build schedule. God I'm old!
Pete - I visited the St Catherines MCP many time when I was Supt of Production at Tonawanda MCP. It was pretty common knowledge in GM that St Catherines MCP was the most efficient and best quality foundry in GM.

[PeteLeathersac]

Cool info Bergy!.
Did you work w/ Fran P. at Tonawanda?.

So how/where/why would an IBM card end up in any vehicle especially the one it belongs to?.
Sporadic spot checks to confirm all's flowing correctly?.

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~ Pete

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">and cap

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BTW, I believe that is the original assembly line cap as the later ones had an additional molded ring around that center relief hole opening.

Here's a shot of a couple caps from the garage. Newer style replacement cap on left, original assembly line piece on right.

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[Xplantdad]

Good old FORTRAN (Formula Translation) and COBOL (Common Business Operating Language)...i Learned them both in 11th grade (flowcharts and all). I was really familiar with the IBM cards.

The one program that I &quot;programmed through the cards&quot; was to run the sequence of Fibonacci numbers to 100,000. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Took me quite a while to get it to work...LOL

[bergy]

I was at the foundry and Fran was at the motor plant. Even though the plants were connected and I would be at QC meetings at the motor plant, I didn't know Fran. It's been a lot of years and I don't know axactly when Fran was at Tonawanda. I spent most of my time in operations (on the shop floor). Since I never worked at Norwood, I can't speak to how the IBM card got into a car. I did work at the St. Louis Corvette Assy plant when I was co-oping as a student. We used build sheets. The same info was on the punch cards though (the punch cards were the source for the eventual build sheet).

Sorry to steal this thread!

[Xplantdad]

Great info Bergy!

[MosportGreen66]

Bergy, Pete, Bruce and Steve... thanks a lot for the info!

Got to love UPS...

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From a member here nonetheless!

[Salvatore]

Traction Action baby!

[firstgenaddict]

Sam... XF is M21 with 4.10 Gears

Gotta love the flat hood and slick look sans the spoiler....

Same Hood, lack of spoiler and month build as the Lemans Blue one I am doing now.

[MosportGreen66]

Thanks for the info James!

More work done on the car...

original pad
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and the 837 alt is perfectly dated too

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[MosportGreen66]

Job # on the fire wall

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Paint stamps on the firewall

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[MosportGreen66]

Original oil drain plug?

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Original drive pulley

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Changed the original belts...
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[MosportGreen66]

Was going to change the grill but the paint shop needs to paint it first... oh well, good intentions.

I did manage to change one thing for you guys.

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Better?

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[Enoch]

[quote=MosportGreen66]Original oil drain plug?

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Yep Thats correct for 69, also beautiful broach marks and raised/worn areas around the impressions. Looks like the broacher had freash cuters when this went through!!!

Rich

[x Baldwin Motion]

wow. really nice patina. thanks for the photos. how much paint is original? door jambs and trunk?
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[BARNFOUND YENKO]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was going to change the grill but the paint shop needs to paint it first... oh well, good intentions.

I did manage to change one thing for you guys.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/P1010021-1.jpg

Better?

It is better but still not in the correct spot.

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[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was going to change the grill but the paint shop needs to paint it first... oh well, good intentions.

I did manage to change one thing for you guys.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/P1010021-1.jpg

Better?

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move it up one row ... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[x77-69z28]

look at the back of the emblem, it will help you get it in the right spot. awesome find

[MosportGreen66]

Spent some time installing little items... got a new blinker light socket, license plate bracket, and got some of the interior back together. Just sorting out the issues.

I have never installed traction bars before. They go in easy! Ran out of time before evening plans to install the driver's side and with a few adjustments yet to be made, we'll be all dialed in.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110326-00052.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Dan - <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 20pt">Holy Cow</span> </span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif - <span style="text-decoration: underline">looks great</span>. Day-Two baby!!!! Keep your updates regular and plentiful!!!

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[MosportGreen66]

Done for the weekend... almost finished with the interior. Traction bars went in easy and the rear of the car is firm - major difference!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0006-11.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0007-12.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Ooooochee Mama!!! That looks just GREAT! Like the extra <span style="font-style: italic">meat</span> at the rear. Just terrific Dan. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Xplantdad]

Agreed....looks great!

[resto4u]

Take a buffer and bring some shine to that zee.....i bet you could make it like night and day.

[markinnaples]

Love it!

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0006-11.jpg </div></div>

Every high school kid's dream car back in the '70s.

[black69]

looks great! nice to see another guy running G 60 on the back with traction bars.

[Survivor 69/Z28]

Very cool Z!


http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n212/wac_Z28/wacZ28001.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

Had some time this weekend to rack the car...

Virgin rear stamp
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0040-1.jpg

Original trans #s
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0035-4.jpg

Body mount bushings with GM part #s...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0041-1.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Be still my heart!! Good stuff Dan!

[Salvatore]

very nice Dan/Dave. I would not change any of that stuff. I like real soft wire brushes (brass) and WD-40 to make it all come about. Boeshiled is also real good for that stuff. Just keep spraying and wiping!

[sixtnine]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a buffer and bring some shine to that z
zee.....i bet you could make it like night and day. </div></div>



Please buff that paint. I would love to see how it would shine up.

[MosportGreen66]

Thanks for the compliments guys! Dave and I appreciate it!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sixtnine</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: resto4u</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a buffer and bring some shine to that z
zee.....i bet you could make it like night and day. </div></div>

Please buff that paint. I would love to see how it would shine up. </div></div>

Its sunburnt lacquer. I'm not making excuses but not much will happen. Gots to give us sometime... its a weekend project that is being sorted before cleaned... and boy do we have cleaning!

Thanks!
Dan

[black69]

you could consider checking out the blue turtle wax (it has color filler). I used the black stuff on 'blackie', and it works great. I convinced another chap on this website (has a black 69 motion camaro) and he loved it.

I have used the red wax they sell on an old laquer 61 vette I have and it really made the paint pop. all hand application, no buffer.

it may hold you over....and could bring the color out. I don't think they are making the blue too much longer, but black and red are still available.

take with a grain...(I would go get some though)
-bob
https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=e...mp;aql=&amp;oq= (https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;biw=1404&amp;bih=687&amp;q=turtle+wax+blue&amp;aq =f&amp;aqi=g2g-v4g-j1&amp;aql=&amp;oq=)

[MosportGreen66]

Update...

&quot;XF&quot; on the IBM card must mean 3:73s/M21. Thats what my car has.

Had the body bushings replaced along with the clutch. Trans gears look good but its going to be gone through along with the diff which is original (dated 10/68).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/-5.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/-3-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/-1-1.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

Sorry for the crappy Blackberry photos... left the camera home, mistakenly.

Axles are good but the diff needs new seals and bearings. Same with the trans.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00087.jpg

stamps on the drums
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00086.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00088.jpg

[mockingbird812]

NIce Dan. Love the shots! Not bad for a Crackberry. Do you have the metal ID tag on the drivers side of the tranny. What is that code?

[1969z280]

Dan:

Really cool! You're into the fun part now... the Archaeology.

Great car, Ed

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NIce Dan. Love the shots! Not bad for a Crackberry. Do you have the metal ID tag on the drivers side of the tranny. What is that code?</div></div>

Thanks Sam. Agreed not bad. I do have the tag but not handy. I'll get a photo next week when I see more progress on the car.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan:

Really cool! You're into the fun part now... the Archaeology.

Great car, Ed</div></div>

I appreciate the compliment, Ed. Its a cool car indeed. A car with character you'd get along with! I owe you an email too... haven't forgotten about it.

[MosportGreen66]

Uploaded the rest of the photos:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00101.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00100.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00098.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00097.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00096.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00095.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00094.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00093.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00092.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00091.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00090.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00089.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00086-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG-20110430-00084.jpg

[mockingbird812]

Dan - what does the &quot;295&quot; and &quot;296&quot; stamp indicate on the brake levers?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Is that a 9 hole shifter attaching bracket? I think they are 9 holers for the '69 Z - just wanted to make sure....

[Salvatore]

That would be correct M.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Ah - Ok, I picked one up at Carlisle, just wanted to make sure I had the correct one! (It is used for the Deuces as well).

[firstgenaddict]

If you just want to make it shine a bit, take some 2000 on a soft block with plenty of water and liquid soap in the bucket, lightly knock off the worst oxidation. Then fine cut on an orbital, and hand swirl remover.
I typically go for the least destructive first, and then determine how much further things need to go to make where I can live with it.

Lawrence Shaw (sixt9rsx33) has a Gold 69 RS/Z28 which had original paint when he purchased it, basically from photos it looked to be the same condition as William's Black RS/Z.
I though (by the photos) it was salvageable with a little touch-up and figuring on some tinting to match some of the sun-bleached paint. However after he brought the car down and I took a look at the paint in person, the effects of sun on the gold paint were evident, the paint held up nowhere near as well as the black car, even though in photos it appeared much better. The car needed to be taken down and done right, there was no option besides doing it right.

Over the past 25-30 years the vehicles I have seen lead me to believe that the Metallics hold up nowhere near as well as the Solids.

[firstgenaddict]

OR

Use some KERO in your wash bucket... lol

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969z280</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan:

Really cool! You're into the fun part now... the Archaeology.

Great car, Ed </div></div>

I like to call it Carchaeology <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

Nice Z

[PeteLeathersac]

This thread just keeps getting better and better!.
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Personally this car somehow feels more like what us commonfolk gearheads were ending up with back in the day, not new or day 2 but more like year 4 or 5 when previously enjoyed but intact cars were everywhere and still potent packages in the right hands!.


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~ Pete

[1969z280]

Pete:

I agree completely. Growing up in Chicago, most of the cars that you would find in the early 70s already looked like this one. Sheetmetal was always the issue. Ed

[MosportGreen66]

Thanks guys!

Sam - I do not know what the numbers indicate. I'm sure someone here does though.

More photos to come this weekend... this time with a camera.

Dan

[jannes_z-28]

Not sure but I think that they are datecodes for when the brakes were assembled.

Jan

[Enoch]

James is correct. It is a Julian Calender dating system.
Rich

[Jonesy]

295th (Oct 22) and 296th (Oct23) day of the year. That matches the timeframe of your car. The rotors are also stamped with ink just like that in yellow.

[mockingbird812]

Thanks! Love to learn new stuff.

[mockingbird812]

This just in.....

Don Stowers forwarded this photo of his 01B '69 Yenko Camaro. Date on the self-adjuster is consistent with the build date of the car. What a wonderful original car Don. Best of luck with the sale at Mecum!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/Yenko/BrakeLeverdatecode.jpg

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This just in.....

Don Stowers forwarded this photo of his 01B '69 Yenko Camaro. Date on the self-adjuster is consistent with the build date of the car. What a wonderful original car Don. Best of luck with the sale at Mecum!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/Yenko/BrakeLeverdatecode.jpg </div></div>

Awesome! And I also see the original blue spring intact too, as my car has as well. Thanks for the help guys!

[ORIGLS6]

Dan,

Send me your mailing address. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[ORIGLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This just in.....

Don Stowers forwarded this photo of his 01B '69 Yenko Camaro. Date on the self-adjuster is consistent with the build date of the car. What a wonderful original car Don. Best of luck with the sale at Mecum!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/mockingbird812/Yenko/BrakeLeverdatecode.jpg </div></div>

Well Geez. Since he was in there for the picture he coulda cleaned it up a little! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif



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[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ORIGLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dan,

Send me your mailing address. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif </div></div>


your box is STILL full!!!

[L72COPO]

That's original un-disturbed dirt and Nelson took the photo.

[MosportGreen66]

Another update on the Z.

Front end is just about done! New lower ball joints, lower control arm bushings, idler arm, pitman arm, offset shafts, and some hardware were all replaced. The original 2 piece rotors were being cut as I was leaving (the one completed looked great) and new wheel bearings (inner and outer) were being inspected. The oil pan was hot tanked and the dents removed - slug too(!) and the gasket replaced. The flywheel was about to be cut, and the new Ram clutch will be installed shortly too. Delco front shocks should be in today...

New bushings are pressed in the new rear leaf springs along with new hardware... and then some Uncle Sam Scardino Traction Action Bars will be installed, with new rear KYB shocks. The diff and trans are the last items to be gone through and then we're smooth sailing. Waiting on some new rubber and still toying with the exhaust system swap. Enough jabber now onto the photos...

Dan

Evidence of an original front bumper guard car...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0014.jpg

Lower control arms were hot tanked too
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0006.jpg

clean internals
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0012.jpg

Moog replacement parts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0007.jpg

tanked drag link and tie rods (both original)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0020-4.jpg

peak of the offset shafts
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/_DSC0023-5.jpg

rear drums getting cut
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0019-1.jpg

original upper ball joints
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0018-2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0017-1.jpg

and lots to clean
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/DSC_0011.jpg

[Salvatore]

Nice stuff! Everyday is a step in the right direction. Will never have to do what you are doing again! Keep it up.

[bergy]

This is a great thread - thank for sharing your experience Dan.

[x77-69z28]

i think the bumpers were dipped from those holes during the chroming process. if the car had front bumper guards, there would be holes in the lower valance. i couldnt see any from the pic.
buddy

[njsteve]

I concur on the non-chromed holes in the lower part of the bumper. Camaro bumper guards bolt on using specific clamps, not the holes pictured in your photo.

[al8apex]

x 3, that is where they plated them from ...

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i think the bumpers were dipped from those holes during the chroming process. if the car had front bumper guards, there would be holes in the lower valance. i couldnt see any from the pic.
buddy </div></div>

Thanks Buddy! Learn a new thing everyday...

Much appreciated.
Dan

[MosportGreen66]

And the final update before picking up the car. Should be all set and done next week. The rear is complete, clutch installed, #403 bellhousing installed, front end set and greased, oil pan cleaned and new gasket installed, oil pump is rebuilt, new rear springs installed too capped by some special traction bars (Thanks Sam Scardino and Dennis Cumby!), have an NOS Sun 10k rpm tach to in, along with a trio pod of Blue Line Gauges... That should be about it.

Dan

Case after being cleaned in the parts washer and hot tanked...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0769.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0770.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0771.jpg

fresh gears, seals, and bearings!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0773.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0777.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0774.jpg

Clean underside...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0780.jpg

Doesn't she shine!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0778.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0779.jpg

[scuncio]

Love it!

[mockingbird812]

Coming together nicely Dan!

[Xplantdad]

Very cool!

[x Baldwin Motion]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0779.jpg



very cool!!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[69Znut]

That's correct, Plastic fill cap and Deep Groove Power Steering Pulley 3941105DD. I've owned my 69 Z/28 since 1977 and its what I see.

[novadude]

I love the fact that you are putting all the mechanicals &quot;right&quot;, but not doing a &quot;proper&quot; full resto. I hope you leave it original forever. Restored, it would become just another Z/28. It has character now! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[Stefano]

Keep the pics coming.

[southernfriedcj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The owner before him had it since his return from Vietnam - 1972 or so is when he bought it. He was also from that area. We have his contact information but will wait until we can send him him a nice written letter with photos of the car before reaching out.
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Any update on contacting this PO?

[1969l78]

One of my favorite cars!

[gts340]

Very neat car!
Seeing people appreciate cars showing a little use and age makes me appreciate my car the way it is more too. Mine has a 22 year old so-so paint job. I'm starting to think it's just fine like this for my lifetime.

[MosportGreen66]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: southernfriedcj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MosportGreen66</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The owner before him had it since his return from Vietnam - 1972 or so is when he bought it. He was also from that area. We have his contact information but will wait until we can send him him a nice written letter with photos of the car before reaching out.
</div></div>

Any update on contacting this PO? </div></div>

Wrote him a sincere, formal letter with photos of the car and every day when the mail comes, I hope I receive correspondence.

Thanks for the compliments!

[day2killa]

living on long island maybe I will get a chance to see this car in person