GM Nationals @ Carlisle

[Steve Shauger]

GM Nationals @ Carlisle
<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">VINTAGE CERTIFICATION</span></span>

We are pleased to announce our continued commitment to the GM Nationals. Our judging program has participated at the GM Nationals since 1999, and we are excited about this June 24, 25 &amp;26 2011. Carlisle is an iconic venue, which has much to offer participants, spectators and embraces all GM Brands. It also affords our program the ability to judge and certify Camaros, Chevelles and Novas.
We are just now accepting applications for our program and if the first two cars is any indication it should be a great show. How about an ultra low mileage Survivor ZL1 Camaro for Vintage Legend Certification, which is being shown for the first time or a concours restored LS6 Chevelle for Vintage Elite Certification.

We have two distinct programs:

<span style="font-weight: bold">Vintage Legend </span>focuses on the unrestored Camaro, Chevelle and Nova. This program provides status, recognition, provenance and appreciation to unrestored vehicles. The certification team provides each owner with a detailed listing of our findings in a comprehensive report. Our goal is to uncover new information, share it with you and act as a repository for factory standards and processes.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Vintage Elite </span>focuses on the restored Camaro, Chevelle and Nova. This program encourages hobbyist and restorers to use factory processes, finishes and standards when restoring vehicles. Components, finishes and assemblies that deviate from factory standards will be noted as such in a comprehensive certification report.

Our certification teams consist of judges Brett Merryman, Steve Shauger, Chris White, Jeff Dotterer and Brian Henderson who collectively have over 125 years of experience as restorers, historians and collectors. Each team spends three hours examining each vehicle in the following areas; Engine Compartment, Underbody, Exterior, Interior and Trunk. Our standards are based on years of research data which we have collected through our Vintage Legend program, restorations, personal collections and GM documentation.

How do I proceed getting my Car Certified???

Simply email us [email protected] or contact Steve Shauger at 631-514-9765 and we will send you our Mission Statement/ Participation Guidelines. If after reviewing you feel your car meets our criteria, fill out the last page “Pre-Qualification Application” and email or mail it to the address/email provided at the bottom of the application.


Once we receive the application it will be reviewed. If your vehicle qualifies you will be notified and provided a Vintage entry number. The next step is to contact Carlisle via website at: http://www.carsatcarlisle.com/ce/events/gm-nationals/index.asp or call 717-243-7855 and register your vehicle. Be sure to reference your Vintage Pre-Qualification entry number, because you will be unable to register your vehicle in this program without it.

The registration fee includes:

Two entry passes for the show
Pass for Trailer parking
Pass for car being judged.

If you have questions email us at [email protected] or contact Steve Shauger at 631-514-9765 / or Brett Merryman can be reached at 740-676-4920. Our programs are concours level, and thereby requires that your vehicle to be pre-qualified. Space is limited due to the amount of time required to verify and inspect all reference areas, so apply early. We look forward to seeing everyone at the GM Nationals, so stop by the Y building and say hello.

[Xplantdad]

Sounds like a lot of work Steve...

Kudos to you guys that take the time to do this and share your wisdom! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Steve Shauger]

The cars below will be participating at <span style="font-weight: bold">GM Nationals @ Carlisle</span>. They will be displayed in the <span style="font-weight: bold">Solid Lifter Showroom</span> hosted by the Super Car Workshop. The Vintage Certification team will also be located in the SLS building, which is where the certification process will take place. Kudos to Brian H., Joe S. and Frank A. for assembling this stellar, rarest of the rare group of cars. Many of the cars have never been displayed in public, so stop by and enjoy this fantastic assemblage of GM muscle.

I look forward to seeing everyone and sharing the jewels of information we find during our certification process. If time allows we may certify a few others.


<span style="font-weight: bold">1970 Yenko Deuce Survivor- Vintage Certification
1969 ZL/1 4 speed Survivor- Vintage Certification
1969 L89 El Camino Survivor- Vintage Certification
1968 Chevelle SS 396/375 Survivor- Vintage Certification
1969 SS 396/375 Camaro Survivor – Vintage Certification </span>
1968 Z/28 Survivor
1969 396/375 JL/8 Camaro
1969 ZL/1 auto
1969 ZL/1 4 speed
1969 ZL/1 4 speed
1968 Nova SS 396/375 M22
1967 Chevelle 396/375 Survivor
1969 COPO Camaro
1969 SS 396/375 Nova
1969 Yenko Camaro
1967 Z/28
1967 396/375 Indy Pacecar #1
1976 Cosworth Vega 1K miles Survivor
1969 Motion 396/375 SS Chevelle
1967 SS Camaro L/88
1969 COPO Camaro
1969 Z/28 JL/8
1966 427/425 Biscayne
1967 Camaro SS 396/375
1970 Nova Yenko Deuce

[mockingbird812]

OOcchee Mama <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif! What a line up!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[69L78]

Steve, Can you tell us which one's have never been seen in public? Most of those cars I believe I have seen.

[Steve Shauger]

Here are a few...How about the #46 ZL1 with 16K miles or the just discovered Gobi Beige Yenko Deuce, the Baldwin Motion Chevelle, 67 L78 Chevelle or 68 Black L78 Chevelle. There are several others that have been tucked away as well.

Look forward to seeing you Jeff....

[Xplantdad]

Sounds like an awesome event Steve!

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like an awesome event Steve! </div></div>

x2

What about getting some of these cars to MCACN in November?

[69L78]

I doubt if you see me Steve, I will probably go to MD. The SLS you can see without going thru the gates and everyone knows there is nothing much there on Friday. Every time I go to a Carlisle event it is very evident on how greedy they are getting IMO. It was evident at Spring Carlisle when they put the brick wall up out at the fence by gate 7 near the car corral. Anyone who was there will know what I mean.

[John]

... That is a great lineup..... Way to go guys! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/youguysrock.gif

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69L78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Every time I go to a Carlisle event it is very evident on how greedy they are getting IMO. It was evident at Spring Carlisle when they put the brick wall up out at the fence by gate 7 near the car corral. Anyone who was there will know what I mean. </div></div>

I saw that. They are getting very greedy.

Either way.... I will only be there on Thursday since my sister's wedding is Saturday and the rehearsal is Friday. Not expecting much in the vendors field this year.

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69L78</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Every time I go to a Carlisle event it is very evident on how greedy they are getting IMO. It was evident at Spring Carlisle when they put the brick wall up out at the fence by gate 7 near the car corral. Anyone who was there will know what I mean. </div></div>

I saw that. They are getting very greedy.

Either way.... I will only be there on Thursday since my sister's wedding is Saturday and the rehearsal is Friday. Not expecting much in the vendors field this year. </div></div>It was not a BRICK WALL Just a banner to look like a wall. You have to hear both sides of the story. Its hard to keep everyone happy I guess.

[Steve Shauger]

This event as you can see is shaping up to have fantastic gathering of cars, their owners and friends. To me it doesn't get any better.

[bashton]

Congrats to all who put in the many hours of work making phone calls, sending letters and personally talking to the owners to make sure the Solid Lifter Showcase and the Vintage Certification program continue to not only flourish, but be the absolute highlight of this event.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[CamarosRus]

I have been judging the 2nd Generation LEGENDS Class for the American Camaro Assoc &quot;CAMARO NATIONALS&quot; since it started, some years ago.

I will be at Frederick, MD this weekend as that's where the show has moved.

This separtion and movement of the &quot;CAMARO NATIONALS&quot; is bad for the hobby, participants and spectators all around.

I'll never know the truth as to what transpired over the years, between Carlisle Productions and the ACA. I'll never know the truth what happened within the 1st Gen judging circle, that caused the &quot;divorce&quot;. I'm just a peon enthusiast from Seattle trying to help where I thought there was a need.

I have the greatest respect for the SCW gang and all their customers cars.

Now Carlisle has enlisted the help of their all star judging team to replace what the ACA has been doing for 12 years.

I sincerely hope in the near future all the owners and spectators can reunite at ONE Annual Camaro Show.

This is akin to brother vs brother in the Civil War.

Respectfully written and sadly submitted.............

Chuck Sharin

[69L78]

I agree with you Chuck and I will be at MD also even though I am only 20 minutes from Carlisle. As for the judging circle, there should be way less bickering now since some of the judges are miles apart. It's sad sometimes, I always thought it should be more about the hobby and not so much as someone's ego.

[Tim Penton]

Paceme Steve, When you get time would you post some pictures of the cars that you listed. I'd love to see some of these cars. Thanks

[Verne_Frantz]

It must have been a last minute change Chuck, because your name appears in the Carlisle program.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[302moz]

Anyone have any pics??? thanks John

[Steve Shauger]

The GM Nationals was very well received. Obviously no one knew what to expect, but I must say the show was well attended overall. I spent Thursday and Friday in the Solid Lifter Showroom and it was awesome. Mostly new cars displayed along with some very nice survivor cars. There were 4 ZL1's, 7 solid lifter unrestored cars, L89, L72's, Motion Chevelle and a host of others. I just set up a photo bucket account.

Solid Lifter Showroom
http://s1184.photobucket.com/albums/z334...02011/?start=20 (http://s1184.photobucket.com/albums/z334/Vintage_Certification/Solid%20Lifter%20Showroom%202011/?start=20)


The fairgrounds has many new exhibits and from what I heard they were also well received. I did spend time in the show field on Saturday and the field was filled with ALL GM models on display, Buick Stage 1's, Olds W30's Pontiac Ram Air IV and of course a nice display Chevrolets. One surprise for me was the vendor area was really buzzing with action. I in fact purchased one YH wheels, plug wire stands, wiring harness, thermostat housing and a jack assembly.

Was it different yes, but I must say it was very satisfying and it was great seeing old friends and meeting new ones.

[Steve Shauger]

Here are a few various pics of the Carlisle fairgrounds. My camera batteries need recharging so I only downloaded a few for now. BTW the weather couldn't have been nicer which is rare for the GM Nationals.

Carlisle Fairgrounds
http://s1184.photobucket.com/albums/z334/Vintage_Certification/Carlisle%202011/

[302moz]

Thanks Steve wish I was there. John

[Xplantdad]

Is picture # 24 Curt's L78 Chevelle?

http://i1184.photobucket.com/albums/z334/Vintage_Certification/Solid%20Lifter%20Showroom%202011/67L78Concours.jpg

[brent396]

I went to the show WOW. What a great line up of cars .Rick thayers 68 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gifl78 numbers matching nova that Brian is restoring for him looks fantastic they do great work

[Steve Shauger]

That car is a very rare Fremont built L78 Chevelle with smog I think there were less than 35 L78 smog coded chevelle motors built in 67. That car resides in Pa.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 302moz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Steve wish I was there. John</div></div>

Looking forward to seeing you and your 68 Z28 at MCACN.

[olredalert]

----Steve,,,Looks like another great presentation! Always happy to see my old black L89 El Camino. Thats one of the few cars my wife ever got mad at me for selling. Wish I could roll back the years just a bit....Bill S

[Woj]

Nice pix Steve,

Looks like it was a great show.

Thanks for the pix.

Phil Woj

[CC Rider]

Thanks for sharing!

[69L78]

I was not going to attend this show, but on Sat I arrived at 8:00 A.M. and left at 10:30 A.M. Attached are some pictures that I took on Sat morning of the car corral area and the show field near the car corral that used to be filled with cars. Also there is a picture of building Y that used to be filled with exceptional cars as well as the outside of the building as it sits nearly empty now. I talked to a friend who was selling parts on Friday and he said D&amp;R one of the sponsors of this site left on Friday evening. I happened to see Bill M riding around on his golf cart and I'm sure he was not satisfied with attendance at the gate. If it would not be for the SLS this show is not worth going to IMO. Carlisle management also made a change this year to make all the food vendors use cash registers and keep track of all receipts so they can take 20% of there take. Carter Food Concession's one of the largest food vendor's who has been there for probably every show since they started decided to not attend anymore and I am sure there are others. If anyone thinks this GM show is an improvement since the ACA left please let us all know.

[Steve Shauger]

Jeff, not sure what your agenda is with your negative comments towards Carlisle. The pictures I took were at the same show on Saturday around 1:00pm, and it was well attended.

Quite obviously its not the same show, in fact the Y building you showed was later filled with a regional program &quot;Hot Rodders of Tomorrow&quot; which is an automotive competion for vocational high school students. The winner of this competion goes on to a national event. To me it was nice to see the youth of tomorrow getting their hands dirty and enjoying the same things we do CARS! Maybe that doesn't interest you but there was a lot of enthusiam from those students, parents and instructors.

My comment regarding the vendors was that it was surprising to me that it was so well attended at the time I was walking around (my expectations were low). I also heard from a few vendors that Saturday was &quot;really good&quot;.

There is no reason to compare the shows because they are completely different and both are moving forward. The Maryland show is what it is and I'm sure those that attended were satisfied.

If you have suggestions or issues why not address them directly with Carlisle management.

For me it was a chance to see some of the rarest GM built muscle and to have fun and food and drink with friends. The Vintage team is looking forward to MCACN in Chicago, and Carlisle next year. I expect an even better Carlisle show next year, and I've already provided Carlisle with some new ideas and suggestions.

[Verne_Frantz]

As a vendor at this show, I will say that I have done very well in the past and not so bad this year, considering that all I ever hear is that the show is going down the toilet and &quot;I&quot; will not be back. Sat. thinned out to almost nothing by 1pm so I packed at 2pm, but it was still well worth while for me.
I have to admit that I am also in a state of disbelief that this show has not taken off and done a lot better. Afterall, with Chevy being the #1 GM collector car, this should be the equivilent of a Chevy Meet. There were a LOT of empty vendor spaces but there were also serious buyers. Maybe I just do well because I have real &amp; good parts (you can't restore a car properly with a telephone). Anyway, I will continue to be there unless it does die.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[brent396]

Ill be back its worth going to just to see the solid lifter show room that the super car work shop puts on all thoase rare cars in one bulding great show and people <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[69L78]

Steve, It is certainly no secret that the GM show has been lacking for years and the recent changes they made did not help so IMO there is no need to sugar coat anything. On one good note, I did hear the plastic brick wall banner was taken down for good.

[Salvatore]

Heard the Show in Marylnd was not much to write home about. Wasn't there so can't really comment.

[CamarosRus]

Sam and others, I WAS at the CAMARO NATIONALS in Frederick,MD helping to judge the 2nd Gen LEGENDS(restored)Camaros. I also walked about as any enthusiast would. I enjoyed the overall experience and heard most everyone else doing likewise.
People are people. Those at Carlisle had their fun and we at
Frederick did so also. It's just a shame that WE all cant be together and experience EVERYTHING together.

My expectations were exceeded. I've heard the car count was 350+. There were alot of 5th Gen(new)Camaros that were driven in from many states far and wide. I believe this site (for the most part) stops thinking Camaro after the 1969 year.

As many of you at Carlisle were no doubt hearing negative comments about Frederick, we were hearing misc negative hearsay about Carlisle. He said, she said, yada, yada, yada ......
about who left, who was there, who had the bigger xxx, you know
the routine.

The new venue at the Frederick Fairgrounds was very acceptable with two good size bldgs being used for the LEGENDS and HEARTBEAT restored. As well Rick Settlemire from G.M. brought in a Reliable Truck load of Camaros that included the new ZL-1.
The venue also had a open show field (ala Carlisle) where the majority of the cars were lined up in a large variety of classes.

There were maybe six professional food vendors. These was a small variety of amatuer private party guys selling used and NOS Camaro parts. I actually saw more CAMARO parts at this show than I normally see at G.M. Carlisle (when you eliminate all the garbage, and other misc G.M.parts)

City of Frederick is moderately sized. There had a COSTCO, Super Walmart and any type of store or restaurant that you would want at a car show weekend anywhere. Freeway access off I-70 was a breeze.

The Host Hotel was a large Holiday Inn &amp; Conference Center. Parking lot area was huge. We had a typical hot breakfast buffet each morning. We had a charity silent auction dinner on Friday night.

I observed people having fun talking with old friends and meeting new ones. I heard people expressing their pleasure in being there. The www.nastyZ28 (http://www.nastyZ28) web site had a BBQ lunch for its many members and guests that attended.

On Saturday at 4PM there was the typical award presentations.

As I've said before I will always miss Brian, Joe &amp; Frank's display of superbly restored Camaros and Novas. I think this entire situation stinks. Business, money, power and control must prevail with Carlisle Productions. I was told that the Maryland Camaro Club operates the &quot;CAMARO Nationals&quot; as a non profit.

In all likelyhood this Pixxing contest will continue for years to come. I will continue to support the stand alone CAMARO NATIONALS and hlp it grow, gain parts vendors, prestiege and profitability.

I'll step off my soap box for now and let whomever fire away at my observations

respectfully submitted,

Chuck Sharin (my real name)
425-277-8833 (my real phone #)

[Salvatore]

Chuck, very good info and well put. I still wish that these 2 shows could all be together again. Thanks!

[PxTx]

I really have not followed this issue closely as hitting the Solid Lifter Showroom has always been a top priority for me. I think I might enjoy the Camaro Nationals as a stand alone event. I really enjoy the type of scene that Chuck described.

The only issue I have is if the Camaro Nationals continues to be held the same weekend as GM Carlisle- regardless of being non-profit seems rather spiteful and only alienates a fellow like myself who would be open to the event if it wasn't for the scheduling conflict. Seems like there certainly are ego problems on both sides and somewhere in between the two opinions is the real world. I think whichever side realizes that 1st will ultimately &quot;win&quot; the crowd on the merits of the show, rather than competing in the same North East Region, for the same crowd on the same weekend.

Good luck fellows!

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69L78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve, It is certainly no secret that the GM show has been lacking for years and the recent changes they made did not help so IMO there is no need to sugar coat anything. On one good note, I did hear the plastic brick wall banner was taken down for good. </div></div>

I didn't go to the show for the food vendors or to worry about a banner. It was an event that in the end was very satisfying. I saw many first time shown cars I think 20 in the SLS alone(how about that 11k mile special order Ram Air IV GTO in the show field). What makes a show to me is the gathering of like minded people and their cars.

Obviously you have a different take after spending a couple of hours, but for those of us that spent four days setting up, judging, relaxing, having a few brews and meals with friends... it was a blast. The only thing real I sense is your contempt for Carlisle Productions.

It goes without saying that we all believe this show should be much bigger and better. Many of us want to be part of the solution......

[GTO_DON]

Id like to hear more about the Ram Air IV GTO

[PxTx]

Neat Story. Grandpa was the original owner and bought the car to drag race. After a broken axle the car got parked and life went on. After he passed father and son put the car back on the road and brought it to the show.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf90.jpg

White Nose was due to the special paint color when it was ordered. Was an issue with painting the nose, so they offered the options of a chrome, black or white nose. Since the car had a white gut, he chose a white nose.

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf91.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf85.jpg
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf86.jpg
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf84.jpg


Lot of neat old stickers and equipment. They just took off the NMW tow tabs so the lower grille could be put back in place.
http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf87.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf83.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf82.jpg

http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww101/Plowman7/RA%20IV/SLSGolf89.jpg

[Salvatore]

man that really is neat! Great story.

[mockingbird812]

That is a nice looking Goat! White walls and 5 spokes look good - who'd of thunk?

[69L78]

Paul, Do you know if this car is from the Selinsgrove, PA area which is 1 hr N of Harrisburg on RT 11-15?

[GTO_DON]

Thats a great car and story but Im not buying the nose theory. I know of lots of special paint 69's and none of them had a differnt color nose. Id like to see the factory paperwork on that one. You could not get the chrome nose in 69 also.There is a burgundy ram iv with 5000 miles on it in selinsgrove..2 brothers own that car.

[Charley Lillard]

Who's that young thug that keeps getting in the way of the car ?

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I wish that both events were held on different weekends or the same weekend together. That way I would be able to enjoy both. This &quot;bickering&quot; and spitefulness between the two groups is really a downer especially from car enthusiasts as dedicated and passionate as the people who put both events on.

[Steve Shauger]

I believe he is the grandson of the orig owner.

[mockingbird812]

What is this special color paint on the RAIV?

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wish that both events were held on different weekends or the same weekend together. That way I would be able to enjoy both. This &quot;bickering&quot; and spitefulness between the two groups is really a downer especially from car enthusiasts as dedicated and passionate as the people who put both events on. </div></div>

First I did not start this thread for any other reason than to promote the GM Nationals @ Carlisle, our Vintage Certification Program &amp; Solid Lifter Showroom.

The reasons for the ACA decision to move is outlined in the link below. To me there are no groups... If the Camaro Nationals and GM Nationals were on different dates I would participate in both.

I have a lot of good friends that went to the Camaro Nationals and others went to GM Nationals. If you read Karls explanation it appears he, Rick and their families just felt it was time due to the demands of the show and changes in priorities. When the ICC show ended Karl &amp; Rick developed the ACA and a new Camaro Nationals. They have moved on and the MCC has stepped in and continued with it in Maryland. Both shows have moved forward and there is no need to speculate or turn this into a he said, she said. It's not an ideal situation but it is what it is. Like you I had heard many different stories, but the link below is the real story. Hopefully in the future one show will change their date.

http://www.americancamaro.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&amp;t=463

[jl8z28]

Steve you guys have been doing a great job with the Vintage Certification, Just wondering why you decided not to go with the Camaro Nationals.

[Kim_Howie]

I was there last year Had a great time. The solid lifer was a lot of fun. I had one guy who was a problem. But all in all it was fun. Kim

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jl8z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Steve you guys have been doing a great job with the Vintage Certification, Just wondering why you decided not to go with the Camaro Nationals. </div></div>

Hi Guy, It was a natural progression that after 10 years of certifying exclusively the Camaro we have chosen to expand into other makes and models. When our program started participated in the MCACN 2009 in Chicago we did just that by including Chevelles, in fact members on this board participated (Grady’s 69 COPO, Phil W. 69 Black SS and Joes’s 70 LS6). At that time Chris White joined our team, and we have had great success since. Prior to the ACA/ Carlisle split I mentioned to Bud S.that we would like to start certifying other models as well, but the split came and the rest is history.

The decision to stay at Carlisle came down to our desire to continue to expand into other makes and models. Also my thinking was that since there is no concours Chevelle judging (that I'm aware of) we would include a Chevelle restored class (Vintage Elite Certification). This will be a challenge since the Chevelle Nationals are the same weekend. But for those with restored and unrestored Chevelles our judging team includes both Jeff Dotterer and Chris White who have a wealth of knowledge on Chevelles and in fact had a Chevelle Diamond Class Concours judging program at a the nationals in years past.

As I stated before if the shows were on different weekends I would find a way to participate in both. I had to make the same decision (because its on the same weekend) with the Bloomington Gold Survivor Show which I was on their Zenith board.. I have not participated in that show because I can't be at both shows (although one year I was at Carlisle Thur, Fri and left Sat night and flew to Il.for that Sunday show.


There were no personal issues with the ACA, the Vintage Team appreciated the time we spent at the Camaro Nationals and all those associated with it especially, Bud, Karl and Rick. My goal is to be challenged from a judging standpoint, learn as much as I can, share our findings and have a great time with friends. I accomplished that this year.

If you want to be treated to an outstanding muli-make and model muscle car show spend a weekend at the ww.MCACN.com and you will be blown away with an awesome display of the best muscle cars in the world.

[Salvatore]

I second that about the MCACN show. The people out there are great too. Worth the trip.

[brent396]

I wish everybody could work it out and the camaros and the chevelles could come back the same weekend everybody would benefit.i think it would help the swap meet out to.

[69L78]

I taked to the owner at the York show on Sat., and here is a picture of him and the car in 1969 showing the white nose. He told me that the special order paint is a 1966 color and they would not guarantee it to stick to the nose so his dad opted for the white since it had parchment int. I did see the window sticker from H &amp; H Pontiac in Harrisburg, PA where the owner and car resides.

[wolfeman]

The color is 1966 Barrier Blue

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69L78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I taked to the owner at the York show on Sat., and here is a picture of him and the car in 1969 showing the white nose. He told me that the special order paint is a 1966 color and they would not guarantee it to stick to the nose so his dad opted for the white since it had parchment int. I did see the window sticker from H &amp; H Pontiac in Harrisburg, PA where the owner and car resides. </div></div>
And you really believed him???? Do you really think that barrier blue would not stick to the bumper but every other color know to man would?? I would be willing to bet that the car was nosed a little in the front and they could not match the color so they painted it white at his request. It was not original paint on the nose.BTW All 69 ram air cars came from the factory with Blacked out grilles. This car had silver grilles.Another red flag.

[wolfeman]

I don't know who this GTO Don is, or who he thinks he is, but I can GUARANTEE this car has NEVER been repainted as I have known the car it's whole life from the day my father picked it up at the dealership until now.

[Salvatore]

We know who he is. Right or wrong about this matter is one thing BUT this man knows his cars, especially Pontiacs pretty well. I don't believe he would shoot from the hip with any statements he would make on this subject without giving it alot of thought. Just seems like a real odd occurance with your bumper. Maybe a one of? Nice car!

[mockingbird812]

Wolfeman - welcome to the site. There is little doubt that you have one honey of a car. We'd sure like you to hang out here and share some of your stories with this terrific RA IV car. We have lots of folks on this site who own and/or appreciate hi po Pontiacs. Is that you in the B&amp;W photo above?

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't know who this GTO Don is, or who he thinks he is, but I can GUARANTEE this car has NEVER been repainted as I have known the car it's whole life from the day my father picked it up at the dealership until now. </div></div>
I feel the need to respond to your post and first off let me apologize if I have offended you but I can Guarentee you that as an owner of a bodyshop and having restored alot of GTO's That I feel I am Qualified to make a reasonable doubt about the paint on your Dads car. It does not make sense to me that 66 Barrier Blue does not stick to your rubber nose. I have had lots of 69 special paint cars and have never heard this argument in 30+ years of restoring these cars. As a painter this argument does not hold water. Now if you said that your father really wanted the car painted this way and made the right calls to get it done then I would say NEVER SAY NEVER. But you were just a child and Im sure you would not remember being in the showroom with the salesman hearing this statement. Dont you think its possible that your dad just thought it would look cool if the bumper was white??? It was 1969?? I looked that car over real good and let me say first that it is a beautiful car and your father took amazing care of it and I know you are very proud of it but in my opinion and its just my opinion that the bumper was originally Barrier Blue and it was painted white when new. He might have even told the saleman to paint it white before it came home To give it his personal touch. Again Im sorry if I have offended you but I had to be honest with my post. Take care of your great car.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wolfeman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The color is 1966 Barrier Blue </div></div>

I would love to see that car at the upcoming MCACN. It would be a huge hit and in great company. www.mcacn.com (http://www.mcacn.com)

[PxTx]

I'm glad to see Wilson (right?) and hopefully Spencer found their way over here. Please correct me if I got the names wrong and feel free to fill out your profile more.

How is the Verti-gate shifter working out on the street?

[wolfeman]

Yes, That is me in the photo as youngster.

[wolfeman]

Thank you for clarifying your comments. I and my late father appreciate it. All I can tell you is that from back as long as I can remember that is what I was told, he was told by the dealership.

[wolfeman]

Yes, I finally made it to the site. There is alot of cool things here. I am getting more used to the v-gate shifter and may keep it in the car. Thanks for asking.

[Plowman]

Way to go Wolfeman,you got it. So cool and fun.

[ss427copo]

2013 SLS on the horizon? I'd be interested in bringing my Camaro since BWAG dropped some news on me early Dec on &quot;his&quot; car. Pictures he found documents it as L89 with T400 when he ordered it. Tell me it's going to happen!

[ss427copo]

2013 SLS on the horizon? I'd be interested in bringing my Camaro since BWAG dropped some news on me early Dec on &quot;his&quot; car. Pictures he found documents it as L89 with T400 when he ordered it. Tell me it's going to happen!