Local Yenko Nova?

[Don_Lightfoot]

Was talking to a fellow car nut last night who mentioned a guy in Smiths Falls, Ontario (about an hour north of me) has a 69 Yenko Nova that my friend saw recently. It is apparently dark Blue (Dusk?) with White stripes. He also has a number of Camaros and other cars in his collection. He doesn't know the owner's name, but he owns Town & Country Chrysler. My friend was told it is real and not a clone.

Just wondering if anyone on here knows him and/or the car. I've been back in the hobby for 20 years now and this is the first I've heard of the car. For me the 69 Yenko Nova is the ultimate Chevy machine <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

News to me! Check into it.

[PeteLeathersac]

I've heard of this car also pretty sure I've seen pics somewhere too?.
Is this the one rumored to be a factory C48 car?.
As w/ any '69 Yenko Nova including those w/ Vins on original lists, being delivered w/ a 427 is the question needing a bulletproof answer!.

I'm down your way tonight Don, just North of Odessa?.
Leaving in about 90 minutes from Peterboro' to pick up an Nos '68 GM 1/4 in Odessa for a chum in Western Canada..
I'm going from there and delivering it to Pickering where it's catching a ride West then I'm heading on home..
I'd originally thought about trying to track you down but time already too tight...hope to hook up another time!?

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~ Pete

[PeteLeathersac]

Should've looked 1'st but click below and scroll down to the hood open DB car, is this perhaps the car in question?.
I think this is the thread I remember seeing a few years ago, not sure where the C48 idea came from?.

http://www.stevesnovasite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=84656

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~ Pete

[Don_Lightfoot]

Well I did a litle surfing and here's what I came up with. Go down about half way on the page.

http://tccperformance.com/featured-exotics/

Clicking on the &quot;details&quot; will give you more pictures and information. Certainly a few things a little fishy with this. Advertised as an L78, no unique badging, SS emblems (didn't think the 69 SYC Novas got them?). Certainly pricey if it's not real?????

Hey Pete, I'm actually in Sydenham which is about 10 miles north of Kingston and about 30 minutes from Odessa. If you're down this way again sometime let me know and I'll give you my phone number.

[PeteLeathersac]

That one looks Lemans Blue Don?.
I think we've looked at it or one much like it on this site before?.

It's NH's place near you that I'm heading to tonight..
Lost track of him when he moved from Hiway 12 in the late 80's, never knew what'd become of him 'til I called to arrange the 1/4 pickup..
Look forward to being able to hook up on some other run...and drooling over your B-Pillar L78 car!.

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~ Pete

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Don_Lightfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Certainly a few things a little fishy with this. Advertised as an L78, no unique badging, SS emblems (didn't think the 69 SYC Novas got them?). Certainly pricey if it's not real?????
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Don,

Check out some of the responses in the thread that Pete linked to Steve's Nova site above....Marlin and Schonye say that some of the '69 Yenko Novas were <span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-weight: bold">NOT</span></span> converted to 427's. All apparently started life as L78 SS396 cars, so that ***<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">could</span></span>*** be one of the non-converted ones at the Chrysler dealer. That ***<span style="text-decoration: underline"><span style="font-style: italic">could</span></span>*** also explain the uber-high asking price, but he better have plenty of ironclad docs to go along with it.

[Don_Lightfoot]

Thanks Bill, I did read the pertinent posts in that thread. Your above comments seem to hit the nail on the head.

For my own knowledge, did the unconverted 69 Yenko Novas have any &quot;specific quirks&quot; to them? Were they similar to the unconverted 68 Yenko Camaros which I believe had some unique features to them that a regular L78 did not have?

Guess I'm just trying to justify the price based on the fact it may essentially be a 69 L78 Nova sold through Yenko <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[mockingbird812]

My limited knowledge of this stuff, but I picked up a thing or to from Eddie M., is that the 68 Camaros that were destined to be converted into <span style="font-style: italic">Yenko</span> Camaros, came from the factory as &quot;COPOs&quot; which included unique (read COPO) increased diameter of the sway bar and othere unique items that I am forgetting about. I believe '69 Novas destined to be <span style="font-style: italic">Yenko</span> Novas were never COPOs, but rather L78 SSs.

[Smokey]

Does Brad own it or is he a manager there?

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My limited knowledge of this stuff, but I picked up a thing or to from Eddie M., is that the 68 Camaros that were destined to be converted into <span style="font-style: italic">Yenko</span> Camaros, came from the factory as &quot;COPOs&quot; which included unique (read COPO) increased diameter of the sway bar and othere unique items that I am forgetting about. I believe '69 Novas destined to be <span style="font-style: italic">Yenko</span> Novas were never COPOs, but rather L78 SSs. </div></div>

Spot on. The '68 Camaros were COPO 9737; 140 speedo's, big front bar, etc... The '69 Novas were L78's - all were 4 speeds.

[Don_Lightfoot]

Sam and Marlin - that's what I thought, thanks for the confirmation.

[Bill Pritchard]

So, absent any original documentation, what he has is an L78 Nova with Yenko striping <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[69hurstSC]

Hadnt the Suydam Nova been speculted to possibly be a 427 from the COPO line? I thought I remembered seeing that on his bulletin board back in the day.

I since have seen that its been posted on his site that it left as a 396/375 car.

[Schonyenko2]

I believe Kevin's car is one of the confirmed 427 transplants. There's paperwork on it from Stauffer advertising it with the 427. There's no indication anywhere that I've seen to suggest that any 69s were COPOed.

[Justbad Joe]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hadnt the Suydam Nova been speculted to possibly be a 427 from the COPO line? I thought I remembered seeing that on his bulletin board back in the day.

I since have seen that its been posted on his site that it left as a 396/375 car. </div></div>
I believe you may have that mixed up with the garnet red blk/vyl top car. What ever happened in court with that car?
Joe

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hadnt the Suydam Nova been speculted to possibly be a 427 from the COPO line? I thought I remembered seeing that on his bulletin board back in the day.

I since have seen that its been posted on his site that it left as a 396/375 car. </div></div>

Kevin's car is a confirmed 427 transplant car - the only one that we know of that has Yenko paper to back it up.

Also, Kevin's car is confirmed to be a non-COPO car. That rumour was started by the restoration company in Oklahoma who restored the car for Otis Chandler. They arrived at the COPO conclusion because they found the broadcast sheet in the seats, and when the sheet for that car was printed at the Fisher plant the paper was misaligned by one row. Therefore, each row of print was on the row below - and, since '69 Novas have the engine code on the broadcast sheet the L78 designator was misaligned into the COPO box. So, at first glance you can see how the shop could misconstrue the car as a COPO L78, but it would take about 10 seconds for a reasonable person to figure out that the entire first row of information is also on the wrong row - and figure out that it was a printer issue. Bad call on whom ever decided to go public with the tunnel vision on that one!

Kudo's to Kevin for taking the extra 10 seconds to figure out the 'mystery', and stop perpetuating the story - regardless as to how it affected the value of the car.

[Schonyenko2]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bill Pritchard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, absent any original documentation, what he has is an L78 Nova with Yenko striping <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif </div></div>

Depending on what, and if he has documentation, can he prove it was even an L78?

[mockingbird812]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hadnt the Suydam Nova been speculted to possibly be a 427 from the COPO line? I thought I remembered seeing that on his bulletin board back in the day.

I since have seen that its been posted on his site that it left as a 396/375 car. </div></div>

Kevin's car is a confirmed 427 transplant car - the only one that we know of that has Yenko paper to back it up.

Also, Kevin's car is confirmed to be a non-COPO car. That rumour was started by the restoration company in Oklahoma who restored the car for Otis Chandler. They arrived at the COPO conclusion because they found the broadcast sheet in the seats, and when the sheet for that car was printed at the Fisher plant the paper was misaligned by one row. Therefore, each row of print was on the row below - and, since '69 Novas have the engine code on the broadcast sheet the L78 designator was misaligned into the COPO box. So, at first glance you can see how the shop could misconstrue the car as a COPO L78, but it would take about 10 seconds for a reasonable person to figure out that the entire first row of information is also on the wrong row - and figure out that it was a printer issue. Bad call on whom ever decided to go public with the tunnel vision on that one!

Kudo's to Kevin for taking the extra 10 seconds to figure out the 'mystery', and stop perpetuating the story - regardless as to how it affected the value of the car. </div></div>

Wow Marlin - good info. Thanks for educating us (me)!

[ORIGLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Wow Marlin - good info. Thanks for educating us (me)! </div></div>

The boy DOES have some Yenko insight. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Wouldn't the only real '69 Copo Novas built be a Copo 9511 equipped car w/ 4:56 or 4:88 gears?.
Is it known if any of the Yenko 'list' cars were 9511 cars?.

Adding to the '68 Copo 9737 Camaro info above, don't forget the MM Tags!.
And to confirm, all '68 9737 Camaros were shipped w/ their unique L78's in place and any 427 a transplant by Yenko (or possibly others)..

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~ Pete

[Schonyenko2]

4.56, or 4.88 gears were RPO options in 68-69 on Novas. The 50 Gibb Novas in 68 were COPOs for the trans. I don't think there were any COPO Novas in 69 other than possibly police.

[Keith Tedford]

I'm by the dealership about once a month. A couple of years ago they had several musclecars on the lot and a yellow Yenko Camaro in the show room. The owner was busy but I talked to a salesman who told me that the Camaro was a clone. Very nice car. In June I didn't see any musclecars when I drove by.

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schonyenko2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">4.56, or 4.88 gears were RPO options in 68-69 on Novas. The 50 Gibb Novas in 68 were COPOs for the trans. I don't think there were any COPO Novas in 69 other than possibly police. </div></div>

Well aware of the '68 Copo Gibb Novas but w/ all due respect, please recheck the '69 facts as I believe you're missing this lesser known truth as everyone seems to?.
1969 model year Nova <span style="text-decoration: underline">and</span> Camaro production required Copo 9511 to get factory axle ratios beyond the 4:10 available as an RPO..
So again real '69 Copo Novas were built, the Copo 9511 equipped cars w/ 4:56 or 4:88 gears!.

No disrespect intended as I like them too but 1970 Camaro Copo 9796 rear spoiler cars are more recognized and valued as a Copo yet here silently sit these waaaaaay lesser built '69 Nova Copo 9511 drivetrain performance option cars!.

There's a 9511 equipped '69 Nova owned by a site member and I've tried to shine the light on this fact when it's popped up here a couple times in the past but for some reason it and any like it seem to be overlooked but deserve more recognition and value!.

Again is it known if any of the '69 Novas on the Yenko list were 9511 cars?.

Keith, I saw a yellow '69 Camaro w/ Yenko stripes near Clarke High School on Hiway 115 last weekend, probably the same car you're mentioning?.

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~ Pete

[mockingbird812]

Pete - interesting info and NEW to me! I would sure like to learn more about COPO 9511. Did it include any other features like an HD radiator, external oil cooler, rev limiter,, etc?

thanks!

P.S. please encourage the guy/gal with the 9511 Nova to post. Does he/she have factory documentation?

[WILMASBOYL78]

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=89126


http://www.thecamaro.com/Production/1969-Camaro-Production-Totals-and-RPO-Numbers.php

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=101241

Here are some links to discussions on this topic...Chevy did away with anything deeper than 3.55 in 70 model year Novas. (except the Deuce) I guess they wanted to cut down on all those CE motors they had to provide because folks couldn't keep their right foot out of the water pump <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

wilma

[PeteLeathersac]

I'm no expert on the 9511 cars just think they're a cool Copo performance option that seems overlooked when a '69 Nova?.
The process and paperwork also tube stampings etc of any 9511 cars is an interesting subject too but what I'm specifically trying to point out here is the fact that any 1969 Copo 9511 Novas built more simply put is a real `69 Copo Nova!.
Also unlike 1969 A or F body 9511 cars, these may be the only `69 Copo Novas built?.

Isn't it Sully here w/ the real '69 9511 Copo Nova?.
Any others?.

Again, anyone know if any of the Yenko 'list' '69 Novas were 9511?.
And what of the A or F-Body Copo's ordered by Yenko, aren't some 9511 too also what of '69 A/F Copo's sent to other dealers?.

Sorry for the hijack!.

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~ Pete

[Schonyenko2]

Interesting. Sully had a 69 Nova with a 4.56 rear gear, but I don't remember if it had a window sticker.
I see where you're coming from. Let's see where the discussion/information goes. I never say never, still not sure we're seeing the order process correctly.

[mockingbird812]

O.k., I could be a bit dense, but in '69 I did not think you needed the COPO order process to put a 4.56 or 4.88 in a Nova, Camaro, Chevelle, or even the big Chevys. So what exactly was included in COPO 9511?

[Schonyenko2]

I think we should start a new thread about this, and would welcome any Nova paperwork from 69 with anything other than 3.55 gears on a window sticker. Build date would be great too.
Colvin's book lists BX, AND BW for 69. The only reference to COPO is for BE 4.10. There are internal differences between BE, and BV although both are 4.10. There in lies why one is COPO (BE) while the BV is not.
Now that being said, Colvin's is not always correct. Let's get some paperwork, and look at the facts, and see where it all goes. Good solid facts are the bed rock of this site. Lets get them all out there.

[PeteLeathersac]

Another thread's fine if necessary but I think we're onto something good so why get sidetracked w/ other stuff like everyone else does and instead look specifically at the Copo 9511 topic first then compare to BE's etc?.
Lets look at all years Copo 9511 was available and include the 9511 A/F body or any other 9511 cars too but concentrate on the '69 model year process and what was included also known paperwork, stampings and Pop's etc then compare what we've learned to BE's shipped w/ 9560/9561 and the other rear options..


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~ Pete

[Schonyenko2]

Either way is fine. I think this thread was started about the local &quot;maybe&quot; Yenko Nova. It kinda got off track on the rear discussion. While related, it's moved past the &quot;maybe&quot; Yenko to what, and how anything beyond 3.55 was availabe in 69 on a Nova. I guess it could be a moderator decision. Charley, you got any mods?

[PeteLeathersac]

Ok w/ the new thread!.
And what do we need for Charley's blessings for?.
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Are we looking at the Copo 9511 option necessary in '69 to get factory axle ratios beyond the 4:10 available as an RPO?.
Or are you wanting to look at everything beyond 3:55?.

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~ Pete

[mockingbird812]

Click here (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=454640#Post4546 40) for the separate link on COPO 9511 in the COPO-United States section.

[JRSully]

Chiming in here on the COPO 9511 topic, The 69 L78 Nova I had did in fact have a perfectly date coded, appearing original BW 12 bolt (4:56) rear, unfortunately the posi unit &amp; gears were changed out to a 3 series carrier and 3:73 gears in early 1970, originals gone. The car had a coded 3 series BB 4 spd radiator in it, but did suffer some accident damage and unsure if it ever came with a curve neck rad originally. Car had a fischer body buildsheet indicating L78, 4spd and nothing else. Wayne Bushey at Nat. Nova has heard/seen of other 69 4:56 Novas.