REPRODUCTION VIN... WHAT TO DO??

I have a buddy that bought a 69 camaro, but after a year or so of doing some research on the car, found out it was a old race car at one point and had a reproduction vin plate and some other things wrong with the car. When he bought it he said it was sold to him as an all original documented car. What are his options?? Thanks in advance.
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[Charley Lillard]

Does the vin plate match the hidden vins ?

Yes, but it also looks like the hidden vin may have been messed with, With out tearing the front end off completely to tell, he is not positive. He thinks it just takes alot of value away from the car. It went from all original metal and # matching to reproduction Vin #, and like he said to me who Knows what else.

[talwell]

Alot will depend on where and who he purchased the car from.

If he purchased from a bonded dealer he will have a much better chance of getting recourse - contrary to this, if he purchased from a private seller his options will be greatly limited and most likely restricted to only civil actions.

If there has in fact been some altering of VINs - tell him to be very careful who he makes aware of this fact as they car can easily be confiscated and then he will have a total loss. As well, he does have a problem car on his hands should he decide to resell it unless all the VIN issues are resolved.

Thanks for the input, sounds like he has some thinking to do. I know he paid alot of money for the car, If he when the legal route, couldn't the car get taken if in fact the vins where tampered with?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

What you need to do is call Bruce Shaw, Esq. Bruce is an attorney in Willow Grove, PA who specializes in vintage car fraud. He has an impressive background, and will give you the straight scoop.

http://www.shawlaws.com/

perfect!!! right around the corner from us!!! Thanks so much.

[resto4u]

It has an obvious reproduction vin# or is it a state issued replacement vin#? Some states will use the orginal vin#, verified by the hidden vin#'s. And some states create there own vin#. Can you post some pics? Roger

The Facts that he knows so far are. 2 owners ago sold the car with out a vin to a guy, that owner had a reproduction vin plate made and put that in the car. Then my buddy bought the car with a vin in the car. Actually I do have pictures of the vin and hidden vin on cowl, but as of know I can't post them until my buddy figures out the course he wants to take. He spent good money on the car and I think he is getting more pissed as time goes on. He has a hard time letting things go. I say drive it and enjoy it!!!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What you need to do is call Bruce Shaw, Esq. Bruce is an attorney in Willow Grove, PA who specializes in vintage car fraud. He has an impressive background, and will give you the straight scoop.

http://www.shawlaws.com/ </div></div>

Would he be able to tell him if the car might be taken away becuase of the vin iussues? Also would the previous owner who bought the bogus vin, and installed it, be liable for the sale of a bogus car?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yes, Bruce will give you the R&amp;O (risks &amp; opportunities) on the situation.

[flyingn]

I know Bruce too. Hes a straight shooter and will will be able to help ya out. Anyone remember the old &quot;Shaws speed shop&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif in Willow grove?

[rubbinisracing]

I would like to hear about any members personal experience with Bruce Shaw's law firm. Please respond by PM, email, or telephone.

Ask that question of Bruce Shaw.

[rubbinisracing]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: frankk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ask that question of Bruce Shaw. </div></div>

I have, but find it best to seek the opinions of others and to hear about their personal experiences when choosing vendors or professional services. A proper perspective is best acheived by views from all angles. I've yet to find a vendor who told me they were incompetent, unqualified, or uncaring, though some have definitely been.

Maybe it's just me, but I find it necessary to inspect, verify, double check, and waterboard sellers these days instead of taking them at their word. If I had done so in all my previous transactions, the services of an attorney might not be needed.

[Stefano]

&quot;waterboard&quot; , Isn't that illegal?

[67 Nova Boy]

Spent more money there to count!! LOL Do you remember Todd Brunswick? He passed awhile back from Cancer I think. Anyone know where Hawian Mike went? South Hampton maybe?/

Dave
67 Nova Boy

[DW31S]

This sounds like a sour deal a friend of mine encountered with one of the large auction houses. He bought what was supposed to be a documented, numbers matching, rare and desirable '69 Camaro. I told him to contact another good friend of mine for an informed and comprehensive appraisal and evaluation. He did call, and was told he bought a car that had been grossly misrepresented and had counterfeit data plates and re-stamped components. Through the appraiser (Jerry MacNeish- Camaro Hi-Perfomance), and the appraiser's attorney, the car was put into litigation and susequently returned to the seller for a refund. My suggestion here would be to contact and contract Jerry for at least an evaluation of said data and V.I.N. plates and let him recommend the next step, be it legal or otherwise. It is sad when this happens to what is supposed a to be a fun hobby and for me what has evolved into a passion. Usually, when money, sometimes large amounts of money are invoved, not everyone plays by the rules or has the same level of honesty and diplomacy. Until next time.... Dave.

[TDW]

Well said howard. I agree 100%.

Dave, you are correct.

[rubbinisracing]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;waterboard&quot; , Isn't that illegal? </div></div>

Not for &quot;enemy combatants&quot;, and that's a fitting tag for many unknown sellers!

[Jack_Tar]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;waterboard&quot; , Isn't that illegal? </div></div>

It is only illegal if you get cought. Waterboarding leaves no marks and with no witnisses, it never happened.