****71 Baldwin Motion Camaro***** [Archive]

rich p

07-21-2011, 04:38 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is this the car that was originally from the Chesapeake, VA area? </div></div>

John Scanelli Norfolk Virginia

RichSchmidt

07-21-2011, 02:09 PM

This car was in the Milt Robson collection back in the late 80's. It was owned by a doctor before that. I believe it had the ralley wheels all the way back to the 1989 MCR article. The article said the car was run thru a collector car auction back in the 80's and didnt get big action because most bidders thought the car was just a "gussied up hot rod". If Milt had the car in his collection,it is no doubt a very excellent piece.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

07-21-2011, 04:27 PM

That's it, Scanelli....

COPO

07-21-2011, 04:46 PM

I not aware that Milt ever owned the car, but not 100% sure. The original owner was a dentist from PA. The car was also shown in a Hot Rod magazine article sitting on a used car lot in the late 70's with Cragar SS wheels on it. The rallys seem to have come after that. It looked great with the Cragars. Great car that has had a lot of ink over the years.

YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY

07-22-2011, 01:19 AM

Used car lot was in Lebanon, PA IIRC.....

Vern B

07-22-2011, 02:26 AM

Was'nt this car also in the Mark Martin Museum near the track in Daytona?

I thought I remember seeing it there and than inquiring about it when it went up for sale 10 years or more years ago. If not there is a twin to it.

COPO

07-22-2011, 02:35 AM

I did buy it out of Florida about 12 years ago, but was thinking it was from Orlando. Don't remember buying from a Museum though, but perhaps it was on display at one time.

rich p

07-22-2011, 02:41 AM

Been told only one documented with red and white stripes..

Vern B

07-22-2011, 04:59 AM

I'm sure it was at the museum near the track in Daytona and that was about the time period. Could very well have been on loan.

I remember seeing it for sale for I think $ 47K not too long after that and kicking myself later for not jumping on it.

So apparently, there is only one red/white one.

Cool car.

lwkitt427

07-24-2011, 08:19 PM

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WHICH ONE I LIKE BETTER THE 1970 GREEN ONE ON THE COVER OF MUSCLE CAR REVIEW OR THE RED ONE HERE, ANY DOES ANY ONE HOW MANY 2ND GEN WHERE MADE?

lwkitt427

07-24-2011, 08:20 PM

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WHICH ONE I LIKE BETTER THE 1970 GREEN ONE ON THE COVER OF MUSCLE CAR REVIEW OR THE RED ONE HERE, ANY DOES ANY ONE HOW MANY 2ND GEN WHERE MADE?

Dave Rifkin

07-24-2011, 10:41 PM

I know I like the red one here the best; seeing as it was an East Coast car I think I may have seen this car in the late '80's. I used to park cars in Atlantic City in the '80's and seem to recall seeing a car that looked amazingly like this one cruising along Pacific Avenure at night; it stopped me in my tracks and I never forgot that sight.

rich p

07-24-2011, 11:38 PM

Very good possibility because I have paperwork from a previous owner:
Bill L of Sea Isle City, NJ

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RichSchmidt

07-26-2011, 01:23 AM

I DO NOT KNOW WHAT WHICH ONE I LIKE BETTER THE 1970 GREEN ONE ON THE COVER OF MUSCLE CAR REVIEW OR THE RED ONE HERE, ANY DOES ANY ONE HOW MANY 2ND GEN WHERE MADE?

I think the MCR article on this car it said something about 71 of them being made in 1970. As far as I know only 70's and 71's could be true B/M cars,and maybe a handfull of early 72's since Baldwin Chevrolet closed I believe in the end of 71. The rarest Motion "new car" 2nd gen were the 73's of which I believe they made 3. I think one or two of those had a 400 smallblock for power. The 72 and later new car conversions were done with car's sold thru other dealerships,but nose were ever really associatewd as having a motion/dealership relation. Many other 2nd gens were done as used cars throught the 70's I almost bought a 72 that was done into a Phase 3 car in 1976 after having started life as a plain jane 307 powered car.

rich p

07-26-2011, 04:52 AM

I actually have for sale a 73 Chevelle Baldwin Motion L88 Phase III, 4 speed with sidepipes that I have not put on this site yet!! Used to be owned by another member on this site quite a few years back. They say the last one built out of Baldwin Motion..
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RichSchmidt

07-26-2011, 05:47 AM

I saw your car at the E-town swap meet/car show back in the early 90's. It was a nice piece,some ink on it too. If I remeber correctly the car either wasnt restored or had a light resto right? Silver with black stripes and interior. Are you saying it was the last Baldwin car? I know Motion was building cars well into the 80's,but I wasnt sure of when Baldwin closed. I had heard that one of the 73's was a Baldwin car,but I thought they sold out to be an Olds dealer by then. Maybe some cars were delivered as a "make good" for cars that didnt come thru during the strike.

x Baldwin Motion

07-26-2011, 12:25 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichSchmidt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">........but I thought they sold out to be an Olds dealer by then. </div></div>

After Baldwin Chevrolet closed, the dealership remained and operated as Williams Chev for about a year and a half*, and then as Lion Chevrolet into the 80's. Never an Olds dealer.

*(Maybe as little as 10 mos)

Xplantdad

07-26-2011, 10:56 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rich p</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I actually have for sale a 73 Chevelle Baldwin Motion L88 Phase III, 4 speed with sidepipes that I have not put on this site yet!! Used to be owned by another member on this site quite a few years back. They say the last one built out of Baldwin Motion..
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Would this have been KS's car?

BTW, Hi Rich P!

SS427

07-27-2011, 12:42 AM

I believe the current owner is RK.

RichSchmidt

07-27-2011, 01:38 AM

Thanks for the info Rich P. When was your car built. Was it an early 73? I thought Baldwin closed too early to sell 73 model year cars,but I never really looked into it. I know of a Motion built 73 Camaro that has a 4th week of November 1972 based on the body stampings being done in weeks 42 and 43,but I always thought it was probably a Motion only car not a Baldwin car. I never looked into it since the car is pretty hacked up as a race car now,and no Baldwin cars get no where near the money of a new car conversion.

rich p

07-27-2011, 02:23 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichSchmidt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> no Baldwin cars get no where near the money of a new car conversion. </div></div>

Trying to figure out what you are trying to say here!!!

rich p

07-27-2011, 02:24 AM

Hey Bruce!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

Yes KS car back in the day!!

kwhizz

07-27-2011, 01:42 PM

Rich.......Welcome back!!!

rich p

07-27-2011, 06:33 PM

Thanks Ken! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

Stefano

07-28-2011, 04:49 AM

The 1972 Corvette which just sold on this site I'm told is a Baldwin-Motion?

x Baldwin Motion

07-28-2011, 12:04 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 1972 Corvette which just sold on this site I'm told is a Baldwin-Motion? </div></div>

1972 Baldwin Motion Corvette Phase III Documented Survivor (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=454328#Post4543 28)

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JoeC

07-28-2011, 12:55 PM

Baldwin Auto Sales closed in the summer of 1973

RichSchmidt

08-02-2011, 03:25 AM

no Baldwin cars get no where near the money of a new car conversion.

Trying to figure out what you are trying to say here!!!

I meant Non Baldwin cars. I went to look at a 72 Camaro that was done ito a phase 3 in 1976,the car was for sale for $5500 in 1991 and the owner couldnt sell it. It was a real clean survivor,and needed paint,and the engine was just freshened. With all the paperwork. The car was a no sell at $5,500 and the last I head the owner cut the car up for parts. A fully documented Motion Phase 3 car cut up for parts in the early 90's because nobody felt it was worth anything. I wish I had bought it. In the late 80's the car in this post had already fetched over 10 times that much,but somehow the cars that were converted later on never really gained in value.

rich p

08-03-2011, 07:00 PM

I agree with you Rich S! I never could understand why a car that was taken over to Motion after days or months would equal anything close to a delivered Baldwin and taken over to Motion, day one car. I have never worked a car like that because I dont find the value as the owners do and get the price they are wanting. Dont get me wrong it was SUPER cool that guys took cars over there and had a monster motor put in their cars.
Car is coming out of a private collection that would make any collector proud of this highly documented DAY1 Baldwin Motion Camaro that hasnt seen a show in over 10yrs. Thx

TDW

08-03-2011, 08:56 PM

Rich p...Your PM box is full. PM me your phone number.

scott s

08-04-2011, 12:03 AM

What eng was orig equip in this car from the factory??was it a base 307,z28,402 or??I would think they would have order a car with a 12 bolt and some hd parts otherwise it would be on the invoice right?

COPO

08-04-2011, 01:33 AM

Car was a Z-28 from the factory, so it came with a 10-bolt and 350 LT-1 330HP in 71. 1970 was the last year for a 12-bolt in Camaros.

lwkitt427

08-04-2011, 03:42 AM

I AM LEARNIG NEW STUFF HERE GUYS KEP POSTEING THE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
LES

RichSchmidt

08-04-2011, 03:55 AM

Car was a Z-28 from the factory, so it came with a 10-bolt and 350 LT-1 330HP in 71. 1970 was the last year for a 12-bolt in Camaros.

The 72 Camaro that I looked at that was converted in 1976 was a phase 3 454 automatic car built off a base model 307. It had a th-400 in it,and the stock born with 10 bolt posi with 4.10 gears installed. Not all motion cars had 12 bolts.

rich p

08-09-2011, 06:56 PM

Wouldnt this be a killer pair in the garage with the 71!!!

rich p

01-16-2012, 05:21 PM

Car is still available and looking for serious offers!!

iluv69s

01-16-2012, 07:16 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RichSchmidt</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Car was a Z-28 from the factory, so it came with a 10-bolt and 350 LT-1 330HP in 71. 1970 was the last year for a 12-bolt in Camaros. </div></div>

The 72 Camaro that I looked at that was converted in 1976 was a phase 3 454 automatic car built off a base model 307. It had a th-400 in it,and the stock born with 10 bolt posi with 4.10 gears installed. Not all motion cars had 12 bolts. </div></div>

Hey Rich, Are you sure the car was cut up?? Was hoping to find that car some day. I offered the guy $3500 for the car and he declined. He told me he had a $3500 offer for the motor alone..so may have been cut up. The only reason I did not give him the $5500 was because it had aftermarket t-tops added later. I figured that could never be fixed. Duhh !!! He had all the Motion paperwork and all. I beleive someone spent 10k in 76 to convert the car according to the Motion reciepts. You may remember better. One of them should of-could of....

Back to this car........WOWWWW...awesome ride !!!! Good Luck with the sale Rich !!

rich p

01-16-2012, 08:49 PM

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black69

01-20-2012, 12:00 AM

after reading this thread, did motion ever modify the factory redline in the dash tach, or rely on the added tach only for correct redline? . The reason I ask is because this puzzled me on a 73 camaro I have seen. Did joel leave the old tach behind with a redline that did not match the new motor's potential.

love the car.

rich p

03-12-2012, 06:46 PM

Willing to listen to trade offers! Just wanting to change it up in the collection.

rich p

04-09-2012, 05:19 PM

Spring is here!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

rich p

05-29-2012, 11:54 PM

Open to trades!!

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rich p

11-07-2012, 10:30 PM

Still looking for possible trades or money!!

rich p

04-02-2013, 04:17 PM

Anybody got a cool trade and money????

bashton

04-02-2013, 04:32 PM

RichP;

Please ask the present or next owner to join us at MCACN this year with both of these gems for our third Motion Madness Reunion. This one really needs to be there and if it is still for sale, what better place to find a buyer?

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

rich p

04-03-2013, 02:54 PM

I have tried a few times to get him there! He has three BM cars that are pretty rare!!

owners2

04-03-2013, 03:18 PM

O.K. you know you cant just through out ,he has 3 without giving us any Cool info.

rich p

05-15-2013, 04:15 PM

Still for sale!! Lot of tire kickers and some trades that dont work!
Needs to go to a new home... Wants more cars, not a liquidation sale.

rich p

08-17-2013, 04:39 PM

Still available! Listen to trades!!

notstock71

08-18-2013, 01:34 PM

Good luck with the sale, love the car. Was it in Omaha at some point during the early to mid 90s? I remember a red Motion Camaro at a show in that time period. I do not recall if it had white or black striping though. I never saw the car again and have wondered what happened to it.