smart guy that I am...9800 mile 69 Camaro

[Charley Lillard]

Maybe 2 months ago I finally bought this 69 Camaro from a lady in New York. Lemans blue with white vinyl top, white std interior. As a girl she had watched the old lady down the street drive it sparingly and loved the car. Years later the lady died and she bought it at the estate sale. It is a 6 cylinder, power steering, column auto, radio delete car. The interior is as nice as I've ever seen. Carpet looks new. Steering wheel looks new...So for a couple months I have been looking forward to it's arrival.

[Charley Lillard]

Imagine my surprise when it unloads with a white painted roof and is Azure Turquoise...maybe I should have asked ? Maybe I should have asked for a pic of the trim tag ? Sometimes I just don't pay attention...Still looks Lemans blue to me.

[Charley Lillard]

....interesting that the trim around the painted roof does not have the center of it blacked out like I have always seen on vinyl top cars.

[Verne_Frantz]

Unrestored car are neat, huh Charley????

[napa68]

I never thought I would get excited about 6 cylinder cars!

Nice find Charley!

[69SSZL1]

Wow, thats fantastic! That 69 Camaro looks like a new car. I like the looks of the Sport Coupe. The indoor photos do look like Azure Turquoise, the outdoor photo look like LeMans Blue.

[old5.0]

Wow. I figured all those little old lady creampuffs had been bought up and turned into fake Z/28s years ago. Beautiful car.

[mockingbird812]

Terrific Camaro Charley. Just a beauty. Love the color combo. Trunk seal looks brand new! What do you have planned?

[CC Rider]

Nice find! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[bergy]

Love it Charlie!!!

[x Baldwin Motion]

wOw ! Really Nice <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[olredalert]

----Sam,,,I hope he has a trip back to Chicago planned for it! Ill bet very few people have ever seen a 69 Camaro optioned out this way. Beautiful car, Charlie.....Bill S

[m22mike]

Nice Charley
Also a great learning tool too. Could you get me a close in shot of the screws on the fire wall wire gutter ? Those are correct and not often done correctly on many restored cars.
Also a close in shot of the horn bolts, note, they do not appear to be zinc plated like the ones that come in your AMK bolt kits... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif
Thanks and have fun with her. This is one that would be great for Vintage Cert ?

[PeteLeathersac]

Friggin W<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gifW!!!
Congrats on acquiring this plumb Charley!.
Looking forward to the scrutiny/details of this survivor to come!.

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~ Pete

[Xplantdad]

Nice Camaro Charley! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[camaromb]

Ok, now that's a 6 cyl Camaro I would like to own. I never thought I would say that! Now you need a 2010 Aqua Blue Camaro to match!

[Jonesy]

Wow, what a museum piece. That car is stunning!! Wow!!

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Nice find Charley,sweet car.Don't touch a thing on it,just drive and enjoy the way it is.

[Salvatore]

a great color combo! Ditto what Mark just said and yes a great learning tool the Ohio Italian just spoke of.

[Charley Lillard]

The cardboard that tapes to the bottom of the dash to block off the speaker grill has fallen...You can also see on the trunk lid where the painter smeared the paint with his fingers around the emblem holes.

[jimbo]

It is interesting that the car is spotless yet the engine compartment looks rough,relatively speaking.

[Charley Lillard]

So I have another 69 low mile car that is also Azure Turquoise. Took em outside and they are definitely different colors. Inside they look closer. The RS was a LA built car while the plain Jane is a Norwood car. Amazing color difference.

[Mr70]

Don't fall...
Nice.
I Like those vintage Body By Fisher floormats.

[Z-11 396]

I'm glad to see Im not the Only 6 cyl. owner on here.


Kasey

[m22mike]

Can I have the extra one.. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/CharleySucks.gif

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Imagine my surprise when it unloads with a white painted roof and is Azure Turquoise...maybe I should have asked ? Maybe I should have asked for a pic of the trim tag ? Sometimes I just don't pay attention...Still looks Lemans blue to me. </div></div>

Oh well, not like you would have passed it up had you known it was Azure with a painted roof <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

She's a beauty, that's fer sure. I'm not surprised to see the engine looking like that....it looks positively pristine compared to the engine in my 23K mile Chevelle <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif

[napa68]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I have another 69 low mile car that is also Azure Turquoise. Took em outside and they are definitely different colors. Inside they look closer. The RS was a LA built car while the plain Jane is a Norwood car. Amazing color difference. </div></div>


SCHWING!

[John]

... What a sweet pair!

... My first camaro was a 1969 Blue 307

.....with a 3speed in the floor

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[iluv69s]

Awesome car !!! Some of the coolest,and rarest, Camaros I have owned were six bangers!!!!

More pics!!!!

Charlie, doesn't your camera have a macro button??? haha

[njsteve]

Beautiful pair! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

We have a local guy out here who has 69 Camaro with a six cylinder, manual three speed on the tree, also in Azure TurquoIse. It is one of the highest quality restorations I've ever seen. Must have spent a fortune on it. I think it was a family heirloom.

Those &quot;average&quot; non high performance cars from the era are so neat to see. And so rare because they weren't seen as worth saving by the majority of the population.

[deege1214]

I hope you keep it stock and NOT clone it into something its not....Fantastic car.!!!!!!!
Dave

[MrsBillyBobcat]

<span style="font-size: 11pt"><span style="font-weight: bold">LOVE IT!!!</span></span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

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[grantprix]

Another beautiful original car Charley! Looks like its time for another visit.

[JTH74]

Great find, love original cars!!!!!

[kwhizz]

Time to build another Storage building............LOL

[SmallHurst]

As to the color difference, it would not surprise me that the 2 plants had 2 different paint suppliers. Also, the cars were being painted by manual application. It is amazing what the difference in fan pattern and humidity will do to color.

Currently, we have a lot of painted parts show up ready to install for the F-150. Painted offsite and having to match our plant as well as Dearborn (different paint supplier there). Color harmony......wonderful meetings!!!!

BTW, sweet grocery getter!!!

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Charley....how about some pics of the interior of the 327 Rally Sport???

[Charley Lillard]

Just black std interior on the RS. Lots of cool little details though.

[ORIGLS6]

Definitely looks like Azure here......

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&amp;Number=26280&amp;filename= 040.JPG

and here.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&amp;Number=26281&amp;filename= 041.JPG





OK, what's the story on the sedan? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&amp;Number=26279&amp;filename= 026.JPG

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Those are two really handsome cars Charley..... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[jannes_z-28]

Congrats on a beautiful car. Not that many around in that paint combo. According to CRG only 2.4% where two tone color, divide that up on the total 6 combos and it would be roughly 1000 cars made in 55 50. Not many still around of those.

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Jan

[chads454Ls6]

Charley,

did the rs come from a guy in virginia?

[Charley Lillard]

yep

[TimG]

Both cool cars, I love them. I have two original paint '67 red Corvettes and the colors are a shade different. One was bult in August and one was built five months later in January.

[parkbrau]

Awesome car.

[hubleyman]

OK Charley,

I'll call your bet and raise you another pair of 69's (but with bigger engines). Pulled these out the other day for a little sunshine cruise...

Actually, congrats on your latest - but Azure Turquoise is my favorite 69 color and I'm really jealous.... If you ever want to sell - yada, yada, yada....

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k560/hubleyman/P1010001-1.jpg

[Norwood]

Sold my 69 in 78, I want it back:)

[restore-z28]

Very nice find and like both the cars.

[sixt9rsx33]

Hey Charlie,
You have two great cars, they are awesome.

How do you up load such great pictures with such a small file size required by the site?

Thanks

[Charley Lillard]

The site now allows bigger pics.

[grantprix]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The site now allows bigger pics. </div></div>

So (600KB) is no longer the size limit for each photo or is that the new size limit?

[Mike]

Charlie,

Did that car come out of the Syracuse area?

Mike

[Charley Lillard]

Yep

[Mike]

I thought so....I remember seeing the Craigslist ad. Now I wish I went and looked at the car.

It's very nice.

[IM RARE]

You a smart guy Charley ..how you doing

[Born30YrsLate]

Hey Charley wanna part the car out?...I could use a couple things off there for my resto?... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/CharleySucks.gif

[Charley Lillard]

I decided I needed to make it faster....

[grantprix]

Yep, that just added 146 cubes right there... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[olredalert]

----Did you put them on the other side too???......Bill S

[Charley Lillard]

....

[72-SS-L48]

Cool!

[kwhizz]

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a251/kwhizz/Impala%20Convert/DSC02994.jpg

[olredalert]

-----Is the carburetor underneath that black ribbed thingy???.....Bill S

[ORIGLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-----Is the carburetor underneath that black ribbed thingy???.....Bill S </div></div>

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[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">-----Is the carburetor underneath that black ribbed thingy???.....Bill S </div></div>

I like the way you look at things Bill........... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Verne

[resto4u]

Very cool, no longer looks like grandma's camaro.

[Charley Lillard]

Thanks for the wheels

[x Baldwin Motion]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----Did you put them on the other side too???......Bill S </div></div>


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Very nice, the blue w/white hat is perfect <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[scuncio]

Cool cars Charley. Noticed your RS car does not have the Camaro emblem on the trunk lid. Wonder if it was resprayed at some point.

[Charley Lillard]

The RS is just a odd car. It was Vintage judged and they all agreed it was orig. paint. Odd trunk sticker and bolts also. Something not normal apparently happened on the assembly line that day.

[olredalert]

-----I think the guys on the line thought your Camaro was a Firebird!......Bill S

[kwhizz]

As long as you are going to lose points for the painted bolts.....you might as well do a LS swap.......Drive that &quot;Beater&quot;.......

[IM RARE]

yea Ls swap

[jannes_z-28]

There is a research topic over at CRG about the holes in the trunk lid. For the emblem they were stamped out and all other holes were drilled on the line.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=3752.0

This one is dated before the Firebirds came to Norwood so there shouldn't be a mixup. The trunklid bracing on 69 Camaros had the holes for mounting the Trans Am wing from around 01A or maybe earlier. Yours don't have that. It could be a replacement lid you have there.

Jan

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">.... </div></div>

Man, some F70 pinstripe whitewalls would look really good with those wheels.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a research topic over at CRG about the holes in the trunk lid. For the emblem they were stamped out and all other holes were drilled on the line.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=3752.0

This one is dated before the Firebirds came to Norwood so there shouldn't be a mixup. The trunklid bracing on 69 Camaros had the holes for mounting the Trans Am wing from around 01A or maybe earlier. Yours don't have that. It could be a replacement lid you have there.

Jan </div></div>

Jan, possibly you're confused but this 69 Rally Sport is LOS built car. That plant started building Firebirds in 1968. This car is an 11B built car so it should not have the extra holes to accommodate the TA spoiler. We found this car to be original in both body panel and paint(all sheet metal date codes matched the build period). Again this is an 11B LOS built car therefore your assertion that the trunk lid is replace is incorrect. A team of four judges spent over three hours on this car and it’s as real and unrestored as they get.

[jannes_z-28]

Sorry I missed that the lid was from the RS, I thought we talked about the 6-cyl car here <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/blush.gif

Easy to mix up with to cars in the same thread...


Jan

[TimG]

I love the wheels, I love the car......

[Plowman]

Cool car Charley

[foster]

hi charley what a fine this is a flash back for me, i parted out a 69 z28 back in 1973 the paint code was 65 50 with 727 interior you don,t see to many two tone painted x77 z28,s out there, did not realize until about year or so ago i was looking at the cowl tag that i kept who know,s back in those days why!. i like to have this car.

[markinnaples]

Wow, that azure color looks so nice it makes you wonder why more people didn't order it.

[69Z28Freak]

Hey Charlie what a beautuful car. Here is the trim tag of my 6 Cylinder car. Your car has one of the nicest and cleanest original bodies I have ever seen. Looks too good to be true.

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h219/69z28freak/Photos2010545.jpg

[69Z28Freak]

Hey Charlie I am wondering about the pin stripping. I could see the pin stripping under the one repaint on my car. Was this an option or were the pin stripes on all Camaros. For some reason very few repainted cars I have seen have the pin stripes.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69Z28Freak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Charlie I am wondering about the pin stripping. I could see the pin stripping under the one repaint on my car. Was this an option or were the pin stripes on all Camaros. For some reason very few repainted cars I have seen have the pin stripes. </div></div>

The D96 striping accent was included in 1969 with both the Z22 &amp; Z21 option, but was not available on Z28's or Z27(SS)because those options had other striping included. To make it more confusing it was included with the Z11 (indy pace cars which were rs/ss equipped).

If your car is not a Z28 or Z27 equipped then it could be ordered under RPO D96. I may be easier to tell me how your car is equipped if my explanation was confusing.

[TexasNova]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So I have another 69 low mile car that is also Azure Turquoise. Took em outside and they are definitely different colors. Inside they look closer. The RS was a LA built car while the plain Jane is a Norwood car. Amazing color difference. </div></div>It looks to me like the RS(LA car) is Lemans Blue, while the plain jane Norwood does look Azure Turquoise.

[DW31S]

My first '69 Camaro was Azure Turquoise with Black vinyl top, hockey stick stripe, and black standard int. w/ console, 327 glide wiyh A/C. Cragar SS and Road Huggers. I was a junior in high school (private school and I was the ONLY car guy). It still makes me wonder why that color was NOT more popular---went GREAT with White, Black, or solid color. I remember seeing one with a White top and B/W Houndstooth---a definite looker. GREAY find Charley---I like the wheel/tire combo., but I say NO to the LS swap. Rare doesn't always mean desirable, but that car is an honest original and PLEASE leave it that way.
Again, CONGRATS.
Dave Siltman

[DW31S]

One thing I forgot to tell you guys about my Azure '69. I was one of a few guys in my class that had their own cars (most drove their parents---you know the sons of doctors and lawyers; my father sold new Oldsmobiles) and had a job to make the payments. I used to walk to and from school and passed by the '69 everyday. Finally, a &quot;For Sale&quot; sign appeared and I left a deposit immediately on the way home from school. I owned it within that week and was driving on the weekend. I'll never forget---$47.77 a month as a junior in high school! Thanks to mom for co-signing!!!!!!!!