Is this a real Z28?

[MosportGreen66]

http://s1084.photobucket.com/albums/j405/kinyurd/?start=all

The pad looks good but how do you tell a '67 Z28 from a standard Camaro?

Thanks!
Dan

[Fast67VelleN2O]

It is suppose to say 4L on the trim tag. I may be wrong.

[MosportGreen66]

This one says "4P"

[Fast67VelleN2O]

4P is SS 350.

[PeteLeathersac]

Not that this is one but keep in mind the earliest '67 Z28's were 4P also some early L78 cars too.
Is that a ridge showing on the suffix pad, pad area lower than the deck surface?.

~ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[budnate]

might be real, any paperwork? that is close to the first week of production for the New Z which was the end of Dec...I cant recall if any early Z's made it out as 4p cars.

[Salvatore]

Is it in Jerry's Registery? Have him look at it if interested. Ask Jon Mello.

[jbsides]

On eBay... 67Z (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Chevrolet-Camaro-Camaro-1967-CAMARO-RS-Z-28-SHOW-COLLECTOR-QUALITY-1968-1969-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem4aad9f4756QQitemZ32074 0476758QQptZUSQ5fCarsQ5fTrucks)

[juliosz]

Looks like reserve has been met...currently at 45k

[Zedder]

Let's see...engine is a restamp and reserve is set at $45K...still think it might be real <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

Info below from auction description:

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

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VIN 124377N166385

Trim Tag

01A T
ST 67-12637 NOR 66474 BODY
TR 779-Z L2 PAINT
W 2LG 3L
4P

Engine pad 7N166385 V1229MO
Casting # 3892657
Casting date K 8 6

Heads 3890462
Casting date L 16 6 (both)

Intake 3917610
Casting date 12 4 66

Exhaust manifold
RH Casting 3840912
Casting date L 4 6
LH Casting 3892679
Casting date K 26 6

Alternator
Casting # 1100693
Casting date 6 M 29

Trans N166385
Casting #3885010
Casting date P7T20

Differential
Casting # 3894860
Casting date 12 28 G
Code QL

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01A Built first week of Jan 67
T Turquoise interior color
67-12637 Model year, sport coupe w/deluxe interior
NOR Built in Norwood Ohio
66474 Fisher body number
TR 779-Z Trim Deluxe Turquoise bucket seats
L Tahoe Turquoise paint
2 Black vinyl top (&amp; stripes)
W Tinted windshield
2LG 4 speed trans console
3L Z22 rally sport equipment
4P Very early Z/28 (12-29-66 thru 1-12-67) All early Z/28’s were built on the same 4P platform as the SS350.
(4L code did not appear until cars released in February 67)

[resto4u]

contact jon mello or jerry. They have the vin#s of the first 25 67 z28's built.

[Zedder]

VIN #'s are not on the memo that you are thinking of.

[resto4u]

I thought the 25 list with the selling dealers had the vin#s.

[Zedder]

Nope.......

[69RSZ]

What a deal huh Mark?

[Zedder]

Ron, it's a shame he spent all that money on it when it would have made a gorgeous &quot;SS&quot; or &quot;RS&quot;.

Notice no provision on the floor pans for the factory radius rod?

[resto4u]

This was the owners reply to me.
Roger,
I have no docs but I was able to trace it back to the 2nd owner, I'm number 5.
It is #20 of the first 25. I didn't even know about the Z registry until I listed the car and someone told me about it.


- kinyurd

[69RSZ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Zedder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ron, it's a shame he spent all that money on it when it would have made a gorgeous &quot;SS&quot; or &quot;RS&quot;.

Notice no provision on the floor pans for the factory radius rod? </div></div>

Allthough for 45k you cant restore a car for that price so even though it might not be a z,yes it would have made a nice SS/RS clone.Risky selling it as a real 67 Z if you cant prove it.

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69RSZ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> ...yes it would have made a nice SS/RS clone...</div></div>

As long as the trim tag is the original, w/ 4P and 3L wasn't it an SS/RS already just not one of the early Z's unless solidly substantiated?.

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~ Pete

[Zedder]

Without the provison for the radius rod in a Jan car, I would think it was originally a 275hp 327 car (L30)???

[x77-69z28]

the original owner of my 67 rs/ss told me that he brought the car back to the dealership to have the radius arm installed. it is a 12D production date.
buddy

[Zedder]

This will save me some typing <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

http://www.camaros.org/radiusrod.shtml

[PeteLeathersac]

To clarify this one, the basic result using info above is 4P/3L cowl tag cannot be original to this car?.

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif
~ Pete

[William]

I have seen the list; all 25 VINs are on it. How do you think Jon Mello knows he has #1?

[6t7 camaro]

Supposedly only the first 16 were 4P cars. I've seen #19 and it was a 4L. Does anybody know how Jon is doing on the resto of car #1? I'd love to hear/see where he's at.

[resto4u]

william, i thought so. seen it, but vin#s where blurred. I knew i was correct, but not worth a pissing match. Roger

[miket1]

I own a nice 1967 Camaro 12 Bolt rear that has the original factory traction bar bracket, casting dated Dec.6,1966, not sure what date GM started adding the bracket.

[Zedder]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen the list; all 25 VINs are on it. How do you think Jon Mello knows he has #1? </div></div>

Really, I was friends with Jon when he found the number 1 car and remember the event well and still have the emails from him explaining the whole event. It is described in the thread below and a copy of the &quot;list&quot; is there too. There are no vins on it. The order numbers are blurred, not the vins. Jon and I were trying to find Mo Carter's car which was also one of the first 25 and if he had the VIN it would have been easy! We had to work the known body numbers from cars already found on the list and the recieving dealers to try and guesstimate the VIN of Mo's car

[Zedder]

Here is the link and the &quot;list&quot;

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=97100&amp;page=all

[Zedder]

I should also mention that I think Jon is the perfect owner for the number 1 car!

And yes, I have a copy of the list that I got directly from Jon years agao <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[L78racer]

this could be #25? sorry if a re-post.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Ls6racer/yenko/Zlist.jpghttp://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Ls6racer/yenko/Funston001.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c2/Ls6racer/yenko/Drag_Funston-1.jpg

[Salvatore]

Great picture! That is what the 67 Z runs today D/S.

[Kurt S]

That car sold back in 2006 with NOM and was sold as a SS350. I'm a doubter it's a Z.....

[resto4u]

Has #9-10-11 been found that was sold new at nickey?

[Projim1]

Does anyone have information on the number 20 car? What does the dealer code reference?

[L78racer]

I got a pm from a former Funston employee with some more info and pics of the Mod Topper. Here are his messages followed by some pics.

&quot;...the mod topper was a 1967 z-28 camaro delivered to Funston Chevrolet in time for us to get it ready for Autorama in Jan '68....we stripped the car and painted it with Apricot metalflake and mother of pearl 'z' stripes and a George Barris Paisley vinyl roof cover installed by Bob Galetti at Reasonable Trim Shop. interior was stock 'plain jane' vinyl...the name on the door 'Jim Shorts' was a spoof and referred to no one in particular...a buddy of mine and i took it to the New Baltimore drag strip (MHRA) a few times and ran it, it never took any trophies because we ran it bone stock with street tires...it was mostly a 'gotcha' car and it was loaned to AMT for creation of an plastic model which they actually marketed....while AMT had the car it was stolen and when recovered all that was returned to Funston was the body shell completely stripped of everything that could be unbolted...funston scrapped the shell....we also created a pair of black '68 camaros with Houndstooth black and white vinyl roof covers.....these were salesmen's demos and were driven by Joe Clark and Vince(i don't remember his last name).....Funston was a fun place to work and when it closed in '72 i moved on to Stan Yee's Collision in East Detroit another shop known for it's specialized auto work.......rich&quot;

&quot;....i believe it was the first 'Z' delivered in the Detroit.....AMT actually made the 'Mod Topper' model to include the decals and Mod Top but as i recall it was molded in a bronze plastic color....the body shop scrapped the 'hulk' and i suppose if somebody was slick enough they could have done some phoney baloney but i think with the car never having been legally titled and only a Statement of Origin from the factory, in Michigan it would have been near impossible.&quot;

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[al8apex]

ummm ... no optional rear bumper guards that all the Z28's came with ... maybe they were removed?

[427TJ]

Look like 14&quot; wheels too.

[16 Grand Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ummm ... no optional rear bumper guards that all the Z28's came with ... maybe they were removed? </div></div>

I thought rear guards were clearly an &quot;option&quot; for the 67 Z, not part of the package.

[al8apex]

all solid lifter Z28's came with the &quot;optional&quot; rear bumper guards as part of the package, all the way through 72 ...

[markjohnson]

That's because the lack of torque from that lil' 302 would let them roll back into the car behind them at red lights or hilly parallel parking.

[1967Z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: al8apex</div><div class="ubbcode-body">all solid lifter Z28's came with the &quot;optional&quot; rear bumper guards as part of the package, all the way through 72 ... </div></div>

Absolutely not true for a '67 Z-28. Rear bumper guards were not a mandatory part of the Z package until 1968.

[The Dude]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-aB9R5d8aHpo/ULe8cGnZ1jI/AAAAAAAACPw/7G7heJ4PHk0/s1600/funston.jpg

[1967Z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ls6racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Look at how the center cap fits on that wheel. That is a 15&quot; rally. The Mod Topper was originally Tahoe Turquiose with white stripes and no vinyl top. It is car #25 on the list.

[Big Block Bill]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1967Z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ls6racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Look at how the center cap fits on that wheel. That is a 15&quot; rally. The Mod Topper was originally Tahoe Turquiose with white stripes and no vinyl top. It is car #25 on the list. </div></div>

Looks like a Great way to ruin a beautiful car. Tahoe Turquoise w/white stripes sure looks a whole lot better than this mess in my book! Ahhh.... the 60's

Bill Pankiw

[L72copocamaro]

Rear bumper guards were not standard equipment on 67 Z's.

[427TJ]

Those are 14-inch Disc Brake wheels with D70s. Same setup as disc '67 SS's.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/14-inch_zps9a1c521f.png (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/BE427TJ/media/14-inch_zps9a1c521f.png.html)

These are 15-inch Disc Brake '67 Z/28 wheels as seen on the prototype. Note difference in diameter of both the wheels and the tires.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/15-inch_zpscc57af52.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/BE427TJ/media/15-inch_zpscc57af52.jpg.html)

[16 Grand Sedan]

&quot;all solid lifter Z28's came with the &quot;optional&quot; rear bumper guards as part of the package, all the way through 72 ...&quot;


So the prototype 67 Z must have had solid lifters.......

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Those are 14-inch Disc Brake wheels with D70s. Same setup as disc '67 SS's.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/14-inch_zps9a1c521f.png (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/BE427TJ/media/14-inch_zps9a1c521f.png.html)

These are 15-inch Disc Brake '67 Z/28 wheels as seen on the prototype. Note difference in diameter of both the wheels and the tires.

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a234/BE427TJ/15-inch_zpscc57af52.jpg (http://s12.photobucket.com/user/BE427TJ/media/15-inch_zpscc57af52.jpg.html) </div></div>

true, also notice the rear bumper guards ... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[L72copocamaro]

The prototype Z has a rear spoiler too; never offered in 67. Bumper guards were an option in 67, included in the Z28 package in 68 and 69.

As for the wheels, I think the color and location of the stripe are deceiving between the two pictures. They both look like 15&quot; wheels to me.

[169indy]

I will take one of each! Fits many moods:)
Notice how the mod top does not wrap around the rear window- strange


Jim

[Jonesy]

My 67 z/28 didnt have the rear bumper guards either.