Ebay Copo?

[Sportyworty]

Not much to go on here but was hoping you guys could take a look at this. I am supposed to go see the car tomorrow and any help would be appreciated on what to look for.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=190598279486&ru=http%3A% 2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR4 0%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D1905982794 86%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1

[Hylton]

Buy it as if it's a nice clone. Don't fall in love with the nice breasts and deep blue eyes....

[talwell]

That car has sold on eBay no less than 5 times in the past year and for some reason everyone backs out on it.

[69 Post Sedan]

LINK (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=ViewItem&_rdc=1&item=190598279486&ru=http%3A% 2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%3A80%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR4 0%26_trksid%3Dp5197.m570.l1313%26_nkw%3D1905982794 86%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1)

[John]

..... That did not last long.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

[x77-69z28]

what do you know, ended early!

[92646]

The car had been for sale by a bank in the San Diego area for about 2 years. When they repossessed the car and tried to sell it they found out it was a clone. The first of this year they settled with the person that put them together with a large loan that he took out against that car using an appraisal that said it was a real COPO. The current seller bought the car from the bank and is trying to use the same appraisal that was used on the bank to sell the car. Nice looking car but allot of history for a made up car.

[Mr70]

Great info Mark.
Let's help uniformed perspective customers know all this too,long after the ebay ad expires.

Ebay seller:Lancairjet
1969 COPO clone.
VIN:124379NOR196829
Mileage:27,645 miles

Description:1969 427/425HP Camaro Ground Up Restoration on X-44 car with Hugger Orange Paint and New Black Interior.Bucket Seats,4 Speed Transmission,Front Disk Brakes,Snow Flake Intake,Correct NM 427 engine block,correct radiator,BE 12 bolt rear end,Muncie M-21 transmission,Correct Date Code Steel Wheels.Only one small blemish on right rear quarter that is so small it doesnt show up on pictures.The rest of the car looks and smells NEW!Thought to be a COPO Car,but no Documentation accept for an old appraisal that states it was an original COPO Camaro.Bank Repo Located in San Diego for Viewing. Shipping World Wide Available.Please inspect to verify listing.Questions please call Lance 760-803-9985 or Jon 760-685-0896.Car is For Sale Locally and have the right to cancel auction early.

[GMC_Typhoon]

No paper= no car IMO

[Kurt S]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1969 COPO clone.
VIN:124379NOR196829</div></div>Though listed that way in the auction, that the info from the trim tag, NOR196829. A November or December car, too early to be a COPO.

[quick-bowtie]

B.S. car all the way! Its been through a few auctions. I like how they put the trim tag body number insted of the vin#. This is because they have been told the vin# is way to early to be a real COPO.. Looks like there hoping to find a sucker

[Ngtflyr]

If that's the car that was at Russo Steele here in Phx last January I know who built it here in Phoenix about 6 yrs ago and sold it as a clone.

It's a nice clone, pretty correctly done, builder said it ran great. Believe it sold at RS originally around the 2006 timeframe right after it was built. We looked it over at the 2011 RS auction and he confirmed it was the one he built. Here's a link to when that car sold last Jan:

HO Copo Clone (http://www.russoandsteele.com/past-collector-car/1969-Chevrolet-Camaro-COPO/6521)

Again, I could be wrong, if anyone is serious about it the guy I know could tell you what to look for to confirm it is the car I think it is. PM me if you want to talk to him.

[the427king]

http://www.conceptcarz.com/vehicle/chassisNum.aspx?idNumID=4166&amp;carID=170

[1969z280]

Dave:

I bought the car you referenced at Russo &amp; Steele in January. I don't believe the car in the ebay ad is the same car. Just another Hugger Orange clone. Ed

[Ngtflyr]

Ed,

If you want the number of the guy who built it pm me. He's kind of interested in following it.

Dave

[1969z280]

Dave:

The fellow who bought the car at the Quail in 2007 was told that it was a real COPO. He paid over $90K with commissions and taxes. They then ran it at several Russo events and it did not sell. We checked the VIN in January and it was built before Don's mule car. So, we knew it was a vey nicely built clone and paid $30K on the block for it while they were still calling it a COPO Camaro over the load speaker?

Needless to say, I think the fellow who sold the car in January was really disappointed. Ed

[talwell]

I also had a hugger orange COPO clone car. I purchased my car from a gentleman in southern California that had spend a massive amount of money having the car built. The quality of the car was top notch so I bought the car regardless of it being a clone. When I got the car here I only put about 5 miles on the car. Unfortunately I felt the car was too nice to drive and it is a pain in the ass to keep a car nice on the east coast. I brokered the car and we got $79k for the car last year. It was a beautiful car but I still think overpriced for a clone.

Here is the car as it was restored. The car was in multiple magazines, was an Auto Traders classic spotlight car and did have a stack of trophies that came with it.

http://www.hotrodscustomstuff.com/photos/1969-c.o.p.o.-chevrolet-camaro.html

[Sportyworty]

Thank you all very much for the replies. Yes the auction was ended by the seller due to a deposit and agreed sale price. We will see how nice it is tomorrow. Price paid was clone money he must have just wanted to get out.

[300deluxeL79]

same car, youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uKyKYqfQ...p;lf=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uKyKYqfQGs&amp;feature=BFa&amp;list=FL6jMytUMp8nM EPKL5qJ3eeA&amp;lf=plpp_video)

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Even though it is a clone at $35k that is a whole lotta of car to have fun with.
Heck,does in it cost more to put that car together?
Enjoy it and tell people it is a clone and have fun.

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even though it is a clone at $35k that is a whole lotta of car to have fun with.
Heck,does in it cost more to put that car together?
Enjoy it and tell people it is a clone and have fun. </div></div>

Better yet, Day 2 the car and start having some real fun. Get away from the clone thing constantly hounding you everywhere you park it. Day 2 would soften the blow of it being a clone, IMO.

[69Tom]

I'd say that's a great deal for that. No way you could build it for $35K.

Even better, you can drive the heck out of it and not worry too much.

[92646]

That is if it sold for $35k.

[talwell]

[quote=69belair]same car, youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uKyKYqfQ...p;lf=plpp_video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uKyKYqfQGs&amp;feature=BFa&amp;list=FL6jMytUMp8nM EPKL5qJ3eeA&amp;lf=plpp_video) [/quote

Yes, that is the car that I owned.

[talwell]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 92646</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That is if it sold for $35k. </div></div>

He offered me the car for $40k and has a sound of desperation in his voice. I would say he probably let go for in the $30's. Regardless of what it is, at that price it is a deal.

[ScottG]

Has anyone seen this car or inspected it recently?? Is there a reason it has not sold?

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Does it have the Chambered Exhaust sytem?
Sure sounds Good <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[talwell]

The car in the video is NOT the one for sale. The car in video is the one that I owned and was also a clone.

[Sportyworty]

The Ebay car is sold.

[Sportyworty]

The car is very nice. No cam though runs like a sewing machine. Pretty quick once the revs build. I would like to thank everyone for the conversation and a special thank you to Mark Sheppard for your history lesson on this particular Copo Replica. Someone put a lot of time into the fit and finish.

[Mr70]

Congrats on the sale.
Seeing as no one has yet,can you post the full VIN# here for posterity please?

[markjohnson]

Man . . . . that sumbitch does sound good in the video and looks like a fun car!

[talwell]

The car in the video was my car - not the one that just sold to the OP from eBay.

[markjohnson]

Whoops! Sorry . . . . but still sounds great!

[ScottG]

VIN is 124379N554870 I bought it and will not misrepresent it in the future.. By the way, it is sweet and has chambered exhaust. My neighbors already do not like me so there is nothing to lose..

[92646]

Scott let me the first to welcome you to the best website for supercars around. Get that car home and drive the heck out of it and enjoy it. Most car transactions should not take this much effort but it will be worth it in the end.
Mark Sheppard

[ScottG]

Hey, i usually buy SVT Mustangs. This is my first 1969 Camaro. Thanks Mark for your help. I will return the favor someday..If it gets out in public soon i will report back!

[Xplantdad]

Mark is ALWAYS willing to help people out...he's a great guy!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[olredalert]

----Soooo now you can experience the power of the infamous porcupine!!!......Bill S

[ScottG]

We shall see, truck should get here next week .

[Sportyworty]

Will let you know when I spank it again and bring it to the house to wait for your truck

[John]

... Let's see some photos of it being unloaded from the truck....


....neat car <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[ScottG]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SportyWorty1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Will let you know when I spank it again and bring it to the house to wait for your truck </div></div> OOHHH crap, this means i need a spare block and crank just in case . <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[ScottG]

I will get some pics when crazy Wayne Smothers unloads it.

[ScottG]

After spending some quality sleeping time at Del Worsham's shop , the car is on it's way here.

[ScottG]

Got the car in the shop yesterday. Massive clean up day. Checked the block casting, 512 4 bolt main . 840 heads , reproduction 375 horse carb, XT wheels, 1968 dated 12 bolt 4.11 posi. 1968 M21, 163 Intake .New interior with a big block tach, shifter is tight and works well. Radio delete, who needs one when this thing sounds so good. Changed the oil and filter , set the float levels , checked the initial and total timing. Now i know why you guys like these cars! Those polyglas tires never stop spinning as long as your foot is in it. Lots of acceleration and a fun time as long as the police are not around. Only bad thing is the heater core needs to be replaced, not looking forward to that. Thanks Mark and Kerry for the help!!

[Sportyworty]

When you want to feel some real power bring her back this way and we can line her up with the 68 CJ. Are you sure everything is as it should be? Maybe it is just a high rever hp car. Just in case lets make it a 1/8 mile. Wish my car shifted as nicely. Just having fun with you Scott. Glad you are happy and it was fun to be a part of the deal.

[ScottG]

That race thing sounds good ! Ben has a 4.30 gear , C6 , 1968.5 CJ . That would be a good one too!! Thanks for the help Sir.

[talwell]

For sale again with a bump in price by current owner.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-CAMA...=item2a18ac84fa (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-CAMARO-COPO-L72-427-/180802585850?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&amp;hash=item2a18ac84fa )

[Sportyworty]

I was asked to provide a service which entailed two trips to the car, documenting my findings, photographing, test driving and storing the car at my home to await transport. I received nothing to date. Known the seller for quite some time through the 428 Cobra Jet Registry needless to say I am very disapointed in his actions.

[RoyalPlum]

You were not paid for the services you provided?

[Sportyworty]

no sir was told a payment was mailed about six weeks ago. I followed up 2 weeks ago and asked why he stated payment was mailed. He stated his mother was in the Hospital. Not my first rodeo and assume he is stiffing me. Jug Head. I would have no problem with a postponed payment and certainly would have empathy regarding an ill parent but he lied so it appears to be BS at this point almost 2 months.

[ScottG]

The payment was sent USPS mail 1 week after your friendly reminder. All you had to do was call or mail me about it. Your airing it out here is not the way to go about it. I hope you feel better about it. A new check will be sent out Thursday AM at 9 . Jug Head was one of my favorite cartoon characters, Thanks. Try caring for a relative with Louie Body Dementia for a while , then you can make all the insults you want. Sorry , you were told you would get paid for your services and i meant it.

[ScottG]

Kerry , the car is up for sale because my Mom has been put on a waiting list for a nursing home. Because of her problems she has to go into Memory Care. When she gets accepted i have to give them $ 108,000. All is not as some people think when they see things on E Bay. A couple of extra thousand dollars from the car might give me a couple of extra months before i have to sell her house.. That is next.

[Sportyworty]

Yes it is unfortunate to air this on a public forum. It has been proven in the past on other forums to be necessary at times and proof again it works. Thank you and will let you know when it arrives.

[SS427]

This is only a general statement and not directed at anyone specific.

As my mom would always tell me in my early adult life when it came to dealing with banks or others I owed money to, &quot;Communication, communication, communication!&quot;. I live by that today. I recently had a situation here where I found someone a car and did all that was asked and never received payment. It was not until my threat of going on line and publically posting it (there was an associated thread going on) that I finally got a response. As it turned out it was all a simple misunderstanding and all was well but and if I had only had the communication it never would have led to that. I am a very trusting guy and almost everyone I deal with on this board that I do things for, I perform the service or ship the parts and then wait for payment. I have only been screwed one time and thanks to the board that person is no longer allowed here. Stay in touch with people and communicate when there are issues and things will normally work out for both parties.

[427TJ]

Communication, but not on a public forum please. Take it private and work it out before the bad blood gets out of control.

[SS427]

Not in this threads case but sometimes people are doing everyone a service by bringing it public and it can be done diplomatically. Number 1, it can bring resolve and number 2 if it doesn't, it will warn others who might have made the same mistake with that same person. I have saved myself several times due to what someone has posted. It is no different than publically posting issues regarding a car.

[RoyalPlum]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not in this threads case but sometimes people are doing everyone a service by bringing it public and it can be done diplomatically. Number 1, it can bring resolve and number 2 if it doesn't, it will warn others who might have made the same mistake with that same person. I have saved myself several times due to what someone has posted. It is no different than publically posting issues regarding a car.</div></div>

+1

[ScottG]

There are two sides to every discussion, and the truth is somewhere in between. I admit my fault of not following up on the payment for the time Kerry spent helping me . But this forum is not the place or manner to get what he thinks is revenge. I am sorry a lapse of my memory has turned into this . Sadly you only cared about the money and not the bigger issue of the problems that delayed your payment..Check sent with tracking this time.

[92646]

Scott, I am sorry to hear about your Mother. These cars will come and go but you have to take care of her first. I talked to both guys about this car and the history that I knew of it. I thought they were nice car guys and I am sorry to see this happen. I do not think this car will ever find a home but I wish I had the money.
Mark Sheppard

[ScottG]

Mark,.Of all the people i have come in contact with about this car you have been far and above the most helpful. Thank You for all the time that you have put into this deal. I can only hope somewhere in the future i can help you also. Scott

[ScottG]

Funny thing happened to payment number 2 . It was sent USPS Priority mail and was lost for 3 days. It got to the destination very late and i am glad it was tracked this time.

[Slashnine]

I saw that car multiple time on ebay... I think there is some serious bad issue with this one <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

[ScottG]

Car is very nice but previous seller was not easy to get answers from or deal with. He made 3 buyers get very nervous about their money at purchase time. I got to deal with the owner and it went much smoother.