Hypothetical Question

[talwell]

If this were all that remained of a COPO or ZL1 car and the rest was restored using NOS or OE parts, would this still be the original car it started as if all the numbers and vin tag was spared from the original car?

(this is purely hypothetical - I do not have a hook on a ZL1 or COPO)

http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NzY4WDEwMjQ=/$(KGrHqV,!qEE8WZ9U-wIBPPwqgbOcQ~~60_3.JPG

[Dave Rifkin]

Regardless of what that car once was, it is too far gone, in my opinion, to ever be considered "original". I also feel that the owner would have to have a real connection to that car to consider rebuilding that carcass.

[Postsedan]

Calling the...... COPO Police <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[black69]

based on your description, of having original tags and vin stamps, I dont see this car any different than this car:

http://www.legendarymotorcar.com/site/549

[dale68z]

I don't think so. If the VIN has been deattached from the body, in this case... HELL NO!!
But, it would be accepted buy the seller and buyer. So, that's all that matters.
I don't think I would want the car, not knowing the skill leval and quality under the paint, and panels.
My cars are not in that market,either

[jbsides]

If this skeletal remnant had the firewall with cowl tag and hidden vin intact, framerails and other major structual members intact, and just was in need of sheetmetal, it might be a question worth debating. But in its current state, with the firewall, etc. from another vehicle considered for installation, I don't see why it would not fit in to the same category as the #9 car, which has been declared a rebody. If you are saying this remnant was going to have reinstalled the original firewall with hidden vin/cowl tag and that this vehicle started life with it, that would be another matter altogether.

[69LM1]

Personally (Just MY opinion) a large portion of a decision by me would be if the original drivetrain were still with the car.

I would consider buying a car that had extensive body panel replacement but still had the original unmolested drivetrain over a car that had a cherry body, but replacement driveline.

Moving just the vin tags to a donor body would be another thing however.

It's just a 307 base car, but I recently found my first car from High School in a junk yard post katrina. It had about the same needs for metal replacement as the pic above. But due to the attachment with &quot;that&quot; car, I sent it to The GoodMark Installation Center in Georgia and 22k later had a full body back. It would have been cheaper to just use a dynacorn body, but I wanted as much of My car as possible (and btw, Kurt and the guys did a great job). Story and pic in my sig below.

RichP

[John]

... Put an LS Motor in it! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[dale68z]

^^^^^^^
He said motor...

motor= runs on electricity
engine = internal combustion

sorry it's a pet peeve of mine

[CamaroNOS]

The answer is simple.....NO, NO and NO!

The only item you have is a GM interior skeleton of a Camaro. I do not care what type of car (options, etc.) this came out of, in fact it has no bearing. It was removed for one reason.....and let me tell you why.
Because the originating Camaro is gone. It does not matter why.....all what counts is that it is gone!

This is a touchy subject BUT very dear to my heart, because it represents who I am and what I believe in.

As far as I am concerned, this is a black and white question.

[Hemicolt]

When John Force and Tony Stewart stop saying, &quot;We blew the motor&quot;.....we will. lol

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dale68z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^^^
He said motor...

motor= runs on electricity
engine = internal combustion

sorry it's a pet peeve of mine

</div></div>

[dale68z]

I agree, even I say &quot;motor&quot; when it comes to racing. Pisses me off when I do it,though

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hemicolt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When John Force and Tony Stewart stop saying, &quot;We blew the motor&quot;.....we will. lol

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dale68z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^^^
He said motor...

motor= runs on electricity
engine = internal combustion

sorry it's a pet peeve of mine

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[Hemicolt]

It's all good. In a few years it won't matter. Everyone will be speaking text anyway. Knw wt I mn?

[Unreal]

.....or when they change the name to Indianapolis Engine Speedway.

[SOM2001SS]

I'm sure there are thousands of &quot;real&quot; high-dollar cars that this is all that's really left of the original car.

[talwell]

In my opinion I feel that a skeleton such as this is the most basic and stripped down portion of the original car. But as such, being the original skeleton I feel that there is some reason to believe this is still the original car. I would feel this is more of the original car even if all the required body panels were replaced rather than taking a new body and transferring the tags and drivetrain to it.

A skeleton is the foundation for anything living or in most cases something that has been assembled. Once the skeleton is no longer there - the original item is lost.

[69LM1]

Point, and the skeleton theory is the reason I used mine rather than switching tags or a dynacorn shell.

If the steel parts are the skeleton, I would call the original driveline the soul of the &quot;supercar&quot;.

After all, the bodies from a 6 banger and a ZL1 are exactly the same. It was the driveline and suspension that made a ZL1 special as opposed to other camaros.

I know it's not a popular theory......

In the end it does not matter as long as the buyer and seller are honest and both pleased with the deal.

RichPern

[PxTx]

Motor is not exclusive to electricity. I had to build a mousetrap powered car in school. Is the mousetrap a motor or an enigne?

engine: (n) motor that converts thermal energy to mechanical work.

motor: (n) machine that converts other forms of energy into mechanical energy and so imparts motion.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dale68z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I agree, even I say &quot;motor&quot; when it comes to racing. Pisses me off when I do it,though

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hemicolt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When John Force and Tony Stewart stop saying, &quot;We blew the motor&quot;.....we will. lol

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: dale68z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^^^^
He said motor...

motor= runs on electricity
engine = internal combustion

sorry it's a pet peeve of mine

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