1964 Impala SS Convert 409 425HP help

[Brucebodyman]

any thoughts on what a 64 Impala SS convert numbers matching 409 425 HP dual quad 4 speed fresh frame of restoration might bring in todays market. red red interior white top. i cant seem to find any that have sold recently that were real deal numbers matching cars. anybody have any idea how many dual quad 425 HP converts were built in 64 it also has the dealer installed removable hard top with complete owner history from new. any opinions would be appreciated.

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brucebodyman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">it also has the dealer installed removable hard top </div></div>

Got any pictures of that?

[SS427]

Never seen one of those either. I too would like to see pictures. Vern, or Vern......

[WILMASBOYL78]

Time for the &quot;tall man&quot; to get involved...wilma

[tom406]

If you're selling, I know someone who is buying...

If you're buying, good luck!

[Verne_Frantz]

There was an aftermarket company named Carson that made removable hardtops for '62-64 convertibles. They were never a Chevrolet accessory but a dealer could put anything the customer wanted on a new car to make a sale.
As far as value, I could only offer a very wide range depending on the quality and correctness of the restoration and if there's a legitimate original driveline. I'd prefer not to guess without seeing the car/documents.
As for production numbers, of the 8,684 409s installed in '64 full size Chevys, the 425hp version was installed in 1,986 of them for US sales and another 11 for export. There are no numbers available with a breakdown by model, body style or bundled with any other options.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[markjohnson]

Hey Verne, this sounds like the car that was in the old Late Great Chevy Club Magazine back in the 1985-87 time frame. I actually had TWO complete sets in their binders but lost them in my recent house fire. I do remember that it was a Red '64 Impala Convertible with the 409/425 HP engine and a strange white-colored removeable hardtop. Maybe you can check your set in the time frame I mentioned.

[Brucebodyman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Verne, this sounds like the car that was in the old Late Great Chevy Club Magazine back in the 1985-87 time frame. I actually had TWO complete sets in their binders but lost them in my recent house fire. I do remember that it was a Red '64 Impala Convertible with the 409/425 HP engine and a strange white-colored removeable hardtop. Maybe you can check your set in the time frame I mentioned. </div></div>its the same car. i am just finishing up the frame off restoration. original owner sent the current owner a bunch of original docs from when he bought it new.we have window sticker and he also sent the article from late great chevy mag. He also sent a 5 page letter giving the history of car. Anyone who looks through these docs will have no doubt the car is the real deal. There is even a letter from chevrolet sales manager thanking him for purchasing a new chevrolet. i have the sales brochure for the removable hard top. On the cover it says Riviera removable hard top. Made in Iowa. I can scan the cover of it. I don't know how to post pics maybe a fellow member can help me out. My main reason for asking for help on production numbers is i haven't seen a numbers matching on of these sell so I was thinking the production must have been low. If anybody has the article from late great chevy go ahead and post it it's an interesting read.

[SS427]

Sounds like a neat car. We would love to see pictures. Leave it to Verne to know all about these. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Brucebodyman]

car isn't all together yet. owner just told me he doesn't mind if i post a pic or 2. i have never posted a pic on here before. maybe a fellow mwmbe can help me out with that. i'll scan the cover of the brochure for the removable hard top. The brochure shows the top on Caddy's,Pontiac's, Buick's and Chevrolet's

[Xplantdad]

Send it to me at [email protected] and I will post it for you

[Brucebodyman]

Pics sent to xplantdad. The late great chevy magazine this car was in was in 1985. I was going through the documents original owner sent. Man is it cool to see all that old paper work. we even have the paperwork when he was going to trade impala in on a new 65 Vette. he even sent a dealer promo car with the original box. I hope someone can find and post the Late Great Chevy article it's an interesting story. i would send it to somebody to post but the owner has it and he is out of town.

[Xplantdad]

Okay, here are the pics! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Brucebodyman]

The story on the top is the original owner bought it new for his 62 Impala SS and he kept it for the 64 when he bought that. The blue book is his actual payment book showing the payments he made on the top. The loan docs for the top are there also.

[SS427]

Monthly payments of $14.25. Wow! Times have changed. Now that is what you pay for dinner!

[WILMASBOYL78]

What is that other steel line that seems to run down the backside of the motor for...is it hooked to that glass fuel filter..?? or am I looking at it wrong..??

very cool setup...would love to see pics of the car...my father had a 64 Impala...only problem it was a 283/powerglide station wagon <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

[RPOLS3]

Cool stuff - never seen a hardtop like that before. Thanks for sharing!

Jake

[Tommy Nolen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is that other steel line that seems to run down the backside of the motor for...is it hooked to that glass fuel filter..?? or am I looking at it wrong..??

very cool setup...would love to see pics of the car...my father had a 64 Impala...only problem it was a 283/powerglide station wagon <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif</div></div>

It's the return gas line, Chevrolet started putting those on the 409 motors in 1963

[WILMASBOYL78]

Seems like a dangerous location running down the back of the block..but, I'm no engineer <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[carenthusiast]

As a guide, public auction sales for 2011. 64 Impala SS 'verts sold for a low of $26,450 and the high sale was $42,450

[Tommy Nolen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: WILMASBOYL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems like a dangerous location running down the back of the block..but, I'm no engineer <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif</div></div>

Well....times have changed, that glass settling bowl probably was the safest thing going either but back in those days everything from combines and tractors to automobiles had them
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[WILMASBOYL78]

Good point!! I guess we are safer now with seat belts, airbags, GPS, traction control, ABS, AWD, unleaded gas, rearview cameras, radial tires, Onstar, smart phones, etc...

Makes you wonder how we ever got along before <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

wilma

[Brucebodyman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: carenthusiast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As a guide, public auction sales for 2011. 64 Impala SS 'verts sold for a low of $26,450 and the high sale was $42,450 </div></div>none of those cars were real deal 425 HP with docs. I think this car is in uncharted territory. I cant find another one that has sold to compare it to.

[carenthusiast]

True I cannot say whether any of the cars sold in that guide are well documented versions. I would think some were and some were not but to say all were not documented does not seem accurate. But the one for 42 plus had to be at least a high quality restoration one would think.

[mockingbird812]

Bruce - do you have docs verifying 409/425? Hard to tell from your overall photo, but some of that does look like dealership docs.

[Brucebodyman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bruce - do you have docs verifying 409/425? Hard to tell from your overall photo, but some of that does look like dealership docs. </div></div>Current owner has window sticker verifying car. Plus he is in contact with original owner who has verified what it was when new and where he bought it. We have the ledger sheet from the dealer showing sale price of car $4120.00 minus what they gave him for trade in. I know Doc's are everything with A car like this but how often can you trace entire history and have the original owner verify it all for you in writing plus hava a article published from 25 years ago basically saying what we already new.
Interesting story in the Late great chevy article from 1985 original owner states that he traded car in on a 65 Vette (have that doc also) they called him a few months later and said they couldn't sell car because of the &quot;big motor&quot; and that they were going to put a 327 in it would he be interested in buying original motor. He bought it we have the check he wrote and the reciept from the dealer. Original owner hung on to motor and in 1974 second owner was selling car and original owner bought it back and reunited motor to car. original owner and his step son owned car until around 2005 when it came to my area.

[mockingbird812]

Cool story. Love it! So is he looking to sell it?

[Brucebodyman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Cool story. Love it! So is he looking to sell it? </div></div>it will be at Mecum in Indianapolis this May crossing block saturday between 5 and 7 PM

[leach]

I looked on the Mecum Indianapolis May auction nothing listed for this car only 1964 Impala on their list is T263 lot number it not this car it is white. Do you know the lot number on this car.

[Brucebodyman]

Lot number is S285 since its not completly together I'm not sure what owner did for pics.He handled all that. Mecum said car should go through sat between 5PM and 7PM

[Brucebodyman]

Something cool happened today. Original owner of car came up today to see his old car and give us more info on it. I also have good pics of the removavble hard top if anybody wants a look.

[SS427]

I've asked three times. Do you want me to beg? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[Brucebodyman]

sorry I will ask one last favor of Xplantdad and see if he will post a couple pics of the top for me

[Xplantdad]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brucebodyman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sorry I will ask one last favor of Xplantdad and see if he will post a couple pics of the top for me </div></div>


Here you go!

[RAIIIT/A]

That must be the Landau model...

[Brucebodyman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RAIIIT/A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That must be the Landau model... </div></div>Yes it is

[SS427]

That is very cool. I had never seen one before this one.

[sixbrl440]

How is it, understanding my being a picker of nits, that this 1964 Super Sport has a first payment date 0f 11/18/1962?
Wouldn't that be a year too soon?

[RPOLS3]

It appears the hardtop was purchased in 1962 judging by the postage date on the envelope the hardtop information was sent in - evidently for another car - and the payment book must be for the hardtop as well based on the total amount paid ($342). <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Re: 1964 Impala SS Convert 409 425HP help [Re: Brucebodyman]
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The story on the top is the original owner bought it new for his 62 Impala SS and he kept it for the 64 when he bought that. The blue book is his actual payment book showing the payments he made on the top. The loan docs for the top are there also.

[Brucebodyman]

Thanks Charlie for clearing that up. The original owner of this car bought a 1962 impala ss convertible new and bought the top for that car. He kept the top when he got rid of the 62. The car was delivered and put into service in Nov 1963 and he used the top on the 64. ALL the documents will be on display at the mecum Indy auction along with car and top.

[Xplantdad]

Here's a picture of the completed car...looks great!

[Brucebodyman]

The pics have been updated on the mecum site dropping it off sat. I will be at auction wed thru sun. Removable hard top will be there also. Stop by and check it out

[Brucebodyman]

Well the car sold last night for 95 k thought it would hit 100k but owner netted out the same thanks to some quick negotiating. Were any of you there. Met Charlie and his friend mike from Chicago while they were looking at it. Answer a question for me. There was a 62 convert same color combo 409 409hp 4speed non original motor frame off restored the cars were in about the same condition. The 62 lot s87 bid up to 95 and no sale reserve was 115 it went across a little before noon sat our car lot s285 went at a little after 8 was supposed to go at 6:45. Was it that the car went to late or is a 62 that much more desirable? I figured ours being numbers match 425 hp with the original owner there and paper work would have beat the 95 the 62 went to. The guy that was high bidder on the 62 was on ours but I think he was out in the mid 80's. Reggie Jackson was right next to car when I drove it on the block with original owner in car with me he came up on the block as the car did t bought he would bid not sure if he did. On another note have any of you guys heard of a guy named Tom Dietz he showed up Friday with his briefcase full of reference material and was all over car.. He was obviously verifying it for somebody. I think it was Reggie cuz Reggie walking around with Tom a lot. Clue me in on who this Tom guy is

[Tommy Nolen]

These are just my thoughts but '62 was THE year for the 409. I beleive a correctly restored non-matching number '62 would easly out sell a matching number '64. I would think the 8 PM sell time would be much better than the noon sell time.

[tom406]

I have a customer/friend (not Reggie Jackson, lol) who is getting into the hobby and has a thing for full size, optioned out, bucket seat 4sp highest HP '64 convertibles. I told him about this car and he became very interested. I couldn't attend so I tried to find him someone knowledgable onsite at the auction to help him set his goals and limits. I reached out to Stefano at Nickey and he recommended Mr. Dietz for his knowledge of full size Chevs, esp W motor cars. I don't know Mr. Dietz, but my customer was very happy with his knowledge, professional manner and help, and thanked me for the referral. He dropped out before the final bidding on the car, as it went past his comfort zone. FWIW, I was thinking $75-90K if the right guys were in the room, and it looks like they were.

There was definitely some money there, as my favorite '66 L79 Nova appears to have brought $105K! Nice to see the Mauve '66 Hemi Charger with 6K miles bring $190K.

I agree with Tommy that '62's will outpull '64's, since they're the iconic year. '64 fullsize muscle fades a bit in the market because it starts to get eclipsed by the midsize musclecars that emerged that year, IMO. They did in '64 as well.

In Arizona, 8pm starts to lose the crowd to dinner and socializing-not sure if Indy has the same temptations. 8pm seems better, and at the very worst is a push with noon.

On a related note, if anyone out there has a '64 Galaxie 500XL R-code convertible, a 426 4sp Sport Fury convertible, (and so on) for sale, please PM or email me. Interested party still has an itch to scratch....

[olredalert]

----Tom Dietz is in my opinion probably the most knowledgeable 62/3/4 Chevy guy on the planet. From what I have ever seen when he says it is so, its so!!!! That Stefano recommended him says it all......Bill S

[Brucebodyman]

I assumed Reggie hired him since I saw them hanging out and Reggie came up on the block when car got up there. Your right Tom seemed to be very knowledgable about the car. The few things he pointed out all had to do with some of the reproduction things we used on the car most of which I still have the originals

[Stefano]

I looked the '64 over, cool car. Try and find another one with docs if your in the market?

[Brucebodyman]

Stefano sorry I missed you when you looked at car. Not sure when you looked at it but you may have had a chance to talk to the original owner who ordered the car. He was there Fri afternoon and most of the day Sat..

[Stefano]

It was earlier in the week. There was no one by the car the first time I stopped by to look at it.

[bashton]

Indeed, a neat car; congrats on the sale. Mr. Dietz is the &quot;go-to&quot; guy on 62-64 Chevy's and has been involved with them for many years. He would be the first guy I would call.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[Verne_Frantz]

I've known Tom since 1985 and he is deserving of the accolades.

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Brucebodyman]

When I was talking to Tom I showed him the article in late great chevy from 1985 and it mentioned something about a show the car was at and Tom said he was at that show and remembered the car from then. So he was already familiar with the car. It only took a minute to know he new a lot about these cars. Owner and I were talking tonight and we both fell we got all the money out of the car. I think we got lucky with the timing because there were a lot of 62-64 409 cars there and I think that brought a lot of those people to the auction so the right 409 guys were there. All in all a good experience