Please Help Me Find My Uncle's COPO

[COPOkid]

I'm looking to find the owner of the car GrumpysToy sold it to, Dave bought it at my uncle's estate auction. Lost contact with Dave. Does anyone know who he sold it to? "The Radical One"

[4onthefloor]

Are you talking about the Same COPO that was in Jerry Heasley's RARE FINDS Book? It was a Green COPO camaro with "THE RATICAL ONE" on the sides of the doors.

[COPOkid]

Yes

[4onthefloor]

That was a good story in that book. Is your Uncle the original owner Doug Evancic? I read he went to Buy the COPO back But the bidding went up higher then anyone expected And Dave McGaffee got it for around $50,000. Where you at that Estate Auction Also?

[COPOkid]

My uncle and Dad had a business together and was the second owner of the car. I would go with them to the races, my dad always drove the car. They stopped racing and as growing older I would one day hoped the car would come out of the garage again. I would always have the car ready to go without my uncle knowing i was keeping up on it. When I got my license is when I pushed them to get it out cause I wanted to drive it but that never happened. I would wait for the weekend for my uncle to leave and pull the car out into the sun as it always was on the trailer. For many years I keep the car ready. I was always told it would be mine but you didn't know my uncle. I even laid down the money he had to have for it but then he always told me he couldn't sell it. I didn't even know it was a COPO until the auction, but being a COPO didnt make a difference to me. I thought I was over this until I was digging through some old magazines and here I am again. Thx for reading

[COPOkid]

Oh forgot to say that everything was in my uncle's name as for the business. He never transferred any title to a car or truck, and when he died we found out that he willed everthing to his girlfriend. His girlfriend was ill and had two daughter to a previous marriage and one had power of attorney over her and they sold everthing without ever setting foot in the garage.

[COPOkid]

We contacted the original owner, thats him in the pics with Dave. Thought that maybe he could get it back because we knew the title was still in his name but he must not of pushed it.

[68l30]

cool car!!

[day2killa]

sweet machine

[Mr70]

Grest story & photos below...
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthrea...8786#Post388786 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Main=37249&Number=3887 86#Post388786)

[COPO CARTEL]

How can I help......I was at the auction and put it on the rollback going to Columbus. The car is in Arizona with the restoration almost complete

[ssl78396]

Have any pic's what the car looked like when it sold at auction?
Would have been a shame to change it from it's race look <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

[COPO CARTEL]

The car was identical to the photo on the rollback when at the auction.....we inspected the car 2 weeks before the auction to verify that it was a real COPO.....BE was there....curve neck.....piercings.....no exterior badging.....BB heater box...Cowl relay .....brakes ....all the important signs were there along with 4,003 original miles

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Its a crime to change it from race car to cookie cutter restoration.

[Mr. Chevy]

This was truly a kick a$$ day 2 car to the fullest!! It was like a time capsule put away for all these years.. I'm really glad I got to see the car in person before it went away for restoration.. I would have kept the car the same with it's race history!!

Here are some shots I took of it... Myles engineering was the place for race motors in Cleveland back in the day and the Nolan Brothers were well known for their paint work!!

Enjoy... Rich

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3176.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3177.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3178.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3179.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3182.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3184.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3186.jpg

[brent396]

WOW very cool <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[ss427copo]

My wife always tells me to keep my eyes on the road whenever we are traveling the &quot;back roads&quot; of different areas......this is the reason my head is always on a swivel looking for barns, garages, etc., etc........

[ss427copo]

I agree. I wouldn't have even washed it given what I know now.

[ssl78396]

Thanks for the pic's I do remember the story awhile back.
Again they are only this way once!
There are original COPO's for sale why ruin this one?
What an absolute waste!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr. Chevy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This was truly a kick a$$ day 2 car to the fullest!! It was like a time capsule put away for all these years.. I'm really glad I got to see the car in person before it went away for restoration.. I would have kept the car the same with it's race history!!

Here are some shots I took of it... Myles engineering was the place for race motors in Cleveland back in the day and the Nolan Brothers were well known for their paint work!!

Enjoy... Rich

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3176.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3177.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3178.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3179.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3182.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3184.jpg

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj37/RICHRUTT/Picture3186.jpg</div></div>

[68l30]

Heres a neat tribute page to some more of the Nolan Bros work. Enjoy!

http://www.carnutdirect.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;view=article&amp;id=55&amp;It emid=61





Big

[NovaMob03]

for you day2 guys that believe it'd be best to restore it back that way, you have to remember that it's originally Fathom Green and raced in that configuration first. I like day2 cars but since Ratical is untubbed, with its original non-narrowed BE &amp; orig interior it makes more sense to go back factory style IMO
I would have probably gone back to factory style if my Rat Patrol COPO hadn't been backhalved...but then, I'd be less inclined to drive it
Doug, did you ever learn which dealer sold it? I really dig the special interior...looks Malcolm Konner-ish

[olredalert]

----Its not often that you see a deluxe interior 69 with no console. I cant remember ever seeing one as a matter of fact. But,,,then again Im old and decrepit......Bill S

[Salvatore]

you ain't as old as Cumby or that guy in Iowa with the off color Harrell car. HA!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NovaMob03</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for you day2 guys that believe it'd be best to restore it back that way, you have to remember that it's originally Fathom Green and raced in that configuration first. I like day2 cars but since Ratical is untubbed, with its original non-narrowed BE &amp; orig interior it makes more sense to go back factory style IMO
I would have probably gone back to factory style if my Rat Patrol COPO hadn't been backhalved...but then, I'd be less inclined to drive it
Doug, did you ever learn which dealer sold it? I really dig the special interior...looks Malcolm Konner-ish
</div></div>

The car, in my opinion, loses all of its history and character being restored back to factory stock. I see COPOs that are fully restored and don't even look. They are boring. If you had both the same car side by side, one Day 2 and the other restored. There would be NO crowd around the restored car.

[Mr. Chevy]

Car was sold new at a dealership called Rodenfels Chevrolet which was located in Parma Hts., Ohio a suburb of Cleveland... The dealership is defunct now... Changed names/hands several times over the years.. I have pictures of the defunct building.. They may have even torn it down by now.. I know that was the plan for the property...

Rich

[PxTx]

I'm not sure I understand how the Day 2 lable applies here. Is it a vintage race car or a day 2 car?

For me, a nice day 2 starts with a restored as stock car. You add some speed parts to your street driven car. The way the Ratical One was bought at auction seemed more like a vintage race car, tubbed or not.

[Born30YrsLate]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----Its not often that you see a deluxe interior 69 with no console. I cant remember ever seeing one as a matter of fact. But,,,then again Im old and decrepit......Bill S </div></div>

You can add another car to your list...my car has deluxe houndstooth interior with no console and factory tach and center fuel gauge...no holes in the floor to indicate a console was ever there.

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NovaMob03</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for you day2 guys that believe it'd be best to restore it back that way, you have to remember that it's originally Fathom Green and raced in that configuration first. I like day2 cars but since Ratical is untubbed, with its original non-narrowed BE &amp; orig interior it makes more sense to go back factory style IMO
I would have probably gone back to factory style if my Rat Patrol COPO hadn't been backhalved...but then, I'd be less inclined to drive it
Doug, did you ever learn which dealer sold it? I really dig the special interior...looks Malcolm Konner-ish
</div></div>



The car, in my opinion, loses all of its history and character being restored back to factory stock. I see COPOs that are fully restored and don't even look. They are boring. If you had both the same car side by side, one Day 2 and the other restored. There would be NO crowd around the restored car. </div></div>

COPO Camaros boring? No history or character? Way to go for telling everybody on here who owns a restored COPO that their cars suck. COPOs are awesome regardless of resto level. Wow, rude.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I never said that they suck. Not trying to be rude in any way whatsoever, i'm just a fan of a car in Day 2 or early race car trim anymore. Just trying to point out that restored COPO Camaros seem to be all over. A lot of these cars were raced from day one and I hardly ever see any that are still in Day 2 or vintage race car trim, making them more unique in my opinion. If anyone was offended by my comment, I apologize.

[Tracker1]

Not such a rare concept.

[ssl78396]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NovaMob03</div><div class="ubbcode-body">for you day2 guys that believe it'd be best to restore it back that way, you have to remember that it's originally Fathom Green and raced in that configuration first. I like day2 cars but since Ratical is untubbed, with its original non-narrowed BE &amp; orig interior it makes more sense to go back factory style IMO
I would have probably gone back to factory style if my Rat Patrol COPO hadn't been backhalved...but then, I'd be less inclined to drive it
Doug, did you ever learn which dealer sold it? I really dig the special interior...looks Malcolm Konner-ish
</div></div>



The car, in my opinion, loses all of its history and character being restored back to factory stock. I see COPOs that are fully restored and don't even look. They are boring. If you had both the same car side by side, one Day 2 and the other restored. There would be NO crowd around the restored car. </div></div>

COPO Camaros boring? No history or character? Way to go for telling everybody on here who owns a restored COPO that their cars suck. COPOs are awesome regardless of resto level. Wow, rude. </div></div>
The facts is what the facts are...and guess what the truth is not always pleasant <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif Wow boring and valuable what a combination... Another car loses it's character <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/stupid.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure I understand how the Day 2 lable applies here. Is it a vintage race car or a day 2 car?

For me, a nice day 2 starts with a restored as stock car. You add some speed parts to your street driven car. The way the Ratical One was bought at auction seemed more like a vintage race car, tubbed or not. </div></div>

Paul, I guess the car was more a vintage race car with speed parts applied that were all correct for that era.. The car was NOT tubbed. It had a roll bar in it at one time.. I called it &quot;Day 2&quot; but I guess that definition varies.... It is what is was, just a darn cool old race car!! Like I said, a time capsule that sat for years.... Wish I had the $$$$ to buy it I would have...

Rich

[69 Post Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C O P O CARTEL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can I help......I was at the auction and put it on the rollback going to Columbus. The car is in Arizona with the restoration almost complete </div></div>

Is it fair to ask if this car being restored to stock or to race condition?

Kurt

[PxTx]

I hear you Rich. Day 2 is one of those labels that has not found a firm, agreed upon definition. One reason is probably because it was not a lable Magazine people created and thrust upon us like Pro Street or G-Machines.

Day 2 has evolved in a different way. It will never really catch on to the mainstreem because its rooted in NLA speed parts and such. Day 2 will always be a small niche, one I find to be rather exciting.

I honestly don't have any real preference for a Day 2 car over a Vintage Race Car. They all should stand on their own. The lines get blurred becuase the Day 2 lable is ocer used 9or under defined). I'm probably one of the biggest offenders.

I would have to see more pics of the Ratical One, and even then I don't know if I could choose a specific favorite config. The FG pic with Cragars is pretty cool, but the lettering is neat too. As I said, the resto to factory is always a safe place to start over from, just like when new.

[Mr. Chevy]

Kurt, my understanding is the new owner in Arizona is restoring the car to original (stock) condition..

Rich

[69 Post Sedan]

Rich, thanks for the reply.

I don't want to jump to any conclusions but if that's the case, it's a shame 'cause the value of the car would be no greater if not less than if it was left alone. IMO

Correct me if I'm wrong but it doesn't have the original engine or trans?

If so, now it's just another COPO, taking nothing away from that status, but it had great race history which is difficult to earn.

Kurt

[Woj]

This car runs the gambit of desire. Complete ownership history, bought as a performance car, raced as it was intended, low miles, etc. I've heard just as Rich has, that it is being restored to original. I personally would have restored it to &quot;day-two&quot;, but the car has seen several levels of &quot;day-two&quot;, so it is up to the current owner's discretion.

If the car sees the public eye in the future, I hope it reflects the actual history of the car, not just the way it looked leaving the dealer's lot, which probably lasted only a few days.

A great car with a great history.

Phil Woj

[COPOkid]

I found what I was looking for and talked to the people that have the car and the speed parts, thank you everyone for the info., now it's time for me to move on in life and get over this. My car and I say it's my car is nothing but pictures. Being a COPO ment nothing to me. Don't take that the wrong way. Thanks

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

The car, in my opinion, loses all of its history and character being restored back to factory stock. I see COPOs that are fully restored and don't even look. They are boring. If you had both the same car side by side, one Day 2 and the other restored. There would be NO crowd around the restored car. </div></div>

Yep, another boring stock copo with dog dish hubcaps.See one see them all. Major mistake messing with this one.

[396L35]

I would have left it alone instead of one of one now it is one of many...

[rat tuned]

man, whats not to love about all of them!! what i love about the old race cars is the way they are all customized a little differently. same with day2!! how about a day 3 which might include 1980 or so and later. how these cars were built, customized, raced and driven by each generation is what keeps you examining them at a show. i totally respect what it takes to restore a totally correct original car to as delivered condition. i know i don't have the patience, $ , or skill level.
i graduated hs in 1980 so a little after day 2 is my generation and pro street was gaining speed.we were all about the street racing back then. that was friday and sat night in my area. every now and then an old street racer from the area shows up at a local show and attracts some attention and reminds me of the days.

[COPOkid]

I'm glad its going back to factory stock, sad but glad. At least I'll never see it again the way it was when growing up.

[PxTx]

COPOkid, I say build a car in the way that you recall this one. It isn't about being a COPO to you, and we would love to see that lettered car again. Don't give up on re-living those early days.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pxtx</div><div class="ubbcode-body">COPOkid, I say build a car in the way that you recall this one. It isn't about being a COPO to you, and we would love to see that lettered car again. Don't give up on re-living those early days. </div></div>

I agree, buy a 1969 Camaro with a 6 banger and stuff a 427 with a muncie trans and 12 bolt rear and paint it just like it was back when you had the car and enjoy the memories.

[4onthefloor]

I agree with getting a Camaro and doing it up,Prices on these 1st gen Camaro's are going Up,But if you look hard enough you can Score a Cool one..As a matter of fact there is a Cool Camaro for sale on this board-Brent396 has it posted,Its a BBC and has that vintage race car vibe..

[Mr. Chevy]

I agree with the others, get a 69 Camaro and duplicate this race car!! That would be really cool!!

Mike, I graduated high school in 1988 and I think we were the last of the &quot;car guys&quot; generation... I can still remember my senior year in the spring being at morning auto shop class and the teacher had to leave for personal business for a while and left us fellas alone..

That was a mistake!! Three of us took our cars and did hole shots in the high school parking lot outside the auto shop area when the teacher left.. I had my 69 Nova with a 327 nitrous &amp; 411 gears, my other buddy had his 72 Plymouth Scamp built up with a 360, nitrous and was vitamin C orange with Cragar SS wheels and another friend had a Smokey &amp; the Bandit TA

We left so much smoke and rubber in the area a match teacher observed this from a math class window nearby and of course ratted us out to the auto shop teacher.. We just got yelled at is all!! A friend of ours was in that math class when it happened and was laughing his a$$ off!! The gold ole' days!!

Seems high school kids today are just not as cool as we were!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

Rich

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I graduated in 2002 and a whole bunch of us were motor heads (about 40 of us).

[COPOkid]

Well since I didn't get this car from my uncle, I had been thinking of putting the paint scheme on a pulling truck. But I still have a problem, no garage, my one aunt bought the property that the business is on and she won't let us do anything with it. Plus I'd have to spend a lot to equip it, everything was sold. The buildings are as they were when I was a kid riding my big wheel and running and jumping on a creeper, empty. So I keep playing the lottery.

[AutoInsane]

What a shame... The car as was had an incredible amount of character. It should have been preserved.

Couldn't the new owner have bought one of the many restored COPO's out there or found a plain COPO needing restoration to make perfect??

[subyman99]

I agree, what a shame...