NHRA - Raceway Park - Camaro

[Don_Lightfoot]

After twelve years a Camaro won a race in Pro Stock. Greg Anderson accomplished the task. Special day for Ken Black Racing too as this was Ken's 100th win.

Jason Line had the advantage most of the way down the track in the final, but Greg passed him at the end. Fishy? Team orders? Camaro pressure? We may never know <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

In any event, congratulations Camaro <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Bill Rose]

I was there yesterday for both Sat qualifying sessions Don. I saw the crew working on the new Camaro. That car was fast, and a good looking car too. No way that team would fix a race. You never know who will win when the 2 Summit cars go at it.

[69 Post Sedan]

Looking at all the results.....Chevy pretty much owned the place.

Kurt

http://www.competitionplus.com/drag-racing/news/21336-eventresultnews

[Dave Rifkin]

Maybe I'm just getting too old but none of those Pro Stock cars are even close to being what they represent. Pro Stock has gotten so far away from what it was when it first started back in the late '60's. That Camaro is nothing more than a tube chasis with some fiberglas &quot;Camaro&quot; body on it.
Call me crazy but, I'd prefer it if Pro Stock actually used the cars from the manufacturer, like they did in the day, and let the teams throw bigger engines in the cars or different transmissions but, they need to retain the factory dimensions and at least a percentage of the original body.
It's great that a &quot;Camaro&quot; won; I just wish it was a real car.

[1967Z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...It's great that a &quot;Camaro&quot; won; I just wish it was a real car. </div></div>

X2

[Tommy]

I personally would like to see someone win besides the Summit boys. Seems like a repeat each week. I would really like to see Erica Enders beat them both a few times



Tommy <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Bill Rose]

It would be insane to think you could use assembly line Camaros in a pro stock class. These cars are going 212 mph, in 6.5 seconds. Have you ever seen a pro stock car hit the wall, and flip over 10 times. Any car that resembles an assembly line car, would burst into a million pieces, and so would the driver. There are plenty of other classes for the factory cars to run in, but pro stock isn''t one of them.

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's great that a &quot;Camaro&quot; won; I just wish it was a real car. </div></div>

Exactly!

Todays ProStockers look more like the Funny cars from the 70's

They should have kept the regulations at steel body, only fibreglass in front, hood and reardeck. AND retained the stock body dimensions.

Those were the days...

But I have to say, they are cool race cars.

Our Swedish hero Jimmy Ålund, seven times European ProStock champion got himself a Camaro for this year.
http://www.jimmyalund.com/

He also has an all original 1970 LS6 Chevelle that he took over from his dad.


Jan

[SS427]

A local racer and I were just discussing this in the shop last night. I hardly ever watch NASCAR or drag racing anymore and one of the big reasons is what was just stated above. They all look pretty much the same with a slightly different nose and tail so you know who they represent but otherwise they have become cookie cutter billboards for the sponsors. Gone are the days that kids sit in the stands and root for their Chevy or Ford and dad went to the dealer on Monday to purchase the car he watched race on Sunday. If these cars went back to resembling what the showroom cars looked like I think they would stir up some more spectator and possibly buyer interest. Understand, they would not be as aerodynamic as these cars are today but that is what influenced the manufacturers to do better in the first place and what made to competition so fierce.

[Chevy454]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A local racer and I were just discussing this in the shop last night. I hardly ever watch NASCAR or drag racing anymore and one of the big reasons is what was just stated above. They all look pretty much the same with a slightly different nose and tail so you know who they represent but otherwise they have become cookie cutter billboards for the sponsors. Gone are the days that kids sit in the stands and root for their Chevy or Ford and dad went to the dealer on Monday to purchase the car he watched race on Sunday. <span style="font-weight: bold">If these cars went back to resembling what the showroom cars looked like I think they would stir up some more spectator and possibly buyer interest.</span> Understand, they would not be as aerodynamic as these cars are today but that is what influenced the manufacturers to do better in the first place and what made to competition so fierce. </div></div>
Boy, I dunno...at the national events anything with a door means &quot;bathroom break&quot; to 99% of the spectators, while the stands will be packed for the nitro T/F and Funny classes (and there is even *less* brand recognition with them).

I think the litmus test may be the ADRL's new &quot;Supercar&quot; class, which features modified versions of the latest factory heavy hitters from the big 3 (ZL1, CobraJet, DragPak)...I've heard mixed thoughts on the spectator turnout thus far, though.

[1970Bluel78]

Jason tanked at the end. Down 11 MPH.. Of course it was fixed. After Jason winning last year IMHO Anderson will not let that happen 2 years in a row.

[Dave Rifkin]

[/quote]
Boy, I dunno...at the national events anything with a door means &quot;bathroom break&quot; to 99% of the spectators, while the stands will be packed for the nitro T/F and Funny classes (and there is even *less* brand recognition with them). [/quote]

I guess that's why they have chocolate and vanilla ice cream. When I go to Atco for their larger events I go get lunch when the rails start running (not T/A or T/F of course). To me nothing is as boring as watching these things run down the track with their trans brakes and timers.
When the Pro Comp, Modified, Stock and Super Stock cars start running I head back to the stands. So much variety and nothing beats seeing a wheels up launch.

[John Brown]

Put me in the camp that would rather watch cars with doors. T/F and Funny cars running translate to shorter lines to the can and the food vendors plus I can relate more to the door cars more than the others.

[bad1racing]

It is fun to watch &quot;the big cars&quot; run,but,I really like watching the &quot;doorslammers&quot;.When the cars with &quot;boxes&quot; got up to the line I was like what the s--t is this? 6000 or more rpm at the line and the light goes green and the throttle goes to basically zero.SORRY,that is not racing.Run what you brung,put a number on the window and go all out.None of this stab the gas and hit the brake at the big end crap.Just my opinion.

Kendall

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Chevy454</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A local racer and I were just discussing this in the shop last night. I hardly ever watch NASCAR or drag racing anymore and one of the big reasons is what was just stated above. They all look pretty much the same with a slightly different nose and tail so you know who they represent but otherwise they have become cookie cutter billboards for the sponsors. Gone are the days that kids sit in the stands and root for their Chevy or Ford and dad went to the dealer on Monday to purchase the car he watched race on Sunday. <span style="font-weight: bold">If these cars went back to resembling what the showroom cars looked like I think they would stir up some more spectator and possibly buyer interest.</span> Understand, they would not be as aerodynamic as these cars are today but that is what influenced the manufacturers to do better in the first place and what made to competition so fierce. </div></div>
Boy, I dunno...at the national events anything with a door means &quot;bathroom break&quot; to 99% of the spectators, while the stands will be packed for the nitro T/F and Funny classes (and there is even *less* brand recognition with them).

I think the litmus test may be the ADRL's new &quot;Supercar&quot; class, which features modified versions of the latest factory heavy hitters from the big 3 (ZL1, CobraJet, DragPak)...I've heard mixed thoughts on the spectator turnout thus far, though. </div></div>

Yeah, but I think the majority of those people are just there for the show, so to speak, and aren't real hardcore car people. Most of the car guys I know, including myself, pay almost no attention to NHRA anymore. I think the interest in watching factory performance cars is still there, but has to be marketed correctly. I remember when Mustang racing was at it's peak, some events like the World Ford Challenge would pull 100,000 spectators, just to watch a field comprised of 98% Fox Bodies. Once they started to get away from the grass roots nature, and allowed big block powered, tube framed Pro Stock style cars in, interest waned and now the whole scene is a pale remnant of it's former self. The ADRL deal is neat, but again, dedicated race cars that are essentially meaningless to Joe Blow on the street with 2.8 kids and a mortgage. Maybe a true 5.0 vs. SS vs. SRT8 shootout would get some traction. Or maybe not.

I don't know. I personally believe that the audience who wants to see cars they can buy at any dealership in the country still exist. I just think they've been left behind by all of the current organizations.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: John Brown</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Put me in the camp that would rather watch cars with doors. T/F and Funny cars running translate to shorter lines to the can and the food vendors plus I can relate more to the door cars more than the others. </div></div>

x1000. If it doesn't have doors, I don't care. In fact, I'd prefer it have a VIN, as well.

[turbojet427]

I love the door slammer classes!! I hate to say it, but I think a Muscle vs. Import Pro Stock class would be very popular. New muscle and vintage muscle taking on imports and eachother. Tube Chasis cars with different rules on how to make horsepower. I think today's automotive culture has more of a &quot;type&quot; of vehicle support more so than a &quot;brand&quot; of vehicle support. Just my two cents.

[ban617]

Well as far as steel bodies ,I think that most of the parts on the new Camaro are composite from the factory . At least it's not a four door like the Dodge.. Well at Bristol Jason will have his new car and see who wins...

[69biscayne]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Don_Lightfoot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After twelve years a Camaro won a race in Pro Stock. Greg Anderson accomplished the task. Special day for Ken Black Racing too as this was Ken's 100th win.

Jason Line had the advantage most of the way down the track in the final, but Greg passed him at the end. Fishy? Team orders? Camaro pressure? We may never know <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

In any event, congratulations Camaro <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif </div></div>

Well I ran into Jason's dad today and he said a valve spring broke. Jason had Greg beat and really wanted to win.