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talwell
06-22-2012, 08:21 PM
I located and purchased a rust free LA built 1970 Chevelle.

Upon looking at the trim tag it ends up the car is a special order paint code car. From what I understand each factory listed the special paint codes different and for LA they would list it using the dupont paint code.

The paint code is listed at 927-AF017. I have not been able to find what this color was but the car appears to have been a shade of blue with stripes.

Also from what I have read, the only way to get these special paint code cars was via the COPO program.

What is known about these special paint code cars? Where can I decode this paint code? Do these special paint cars have any value higher than the average 1970 Chevelle (malibu) car?

SS427
06-22-2012, 08:28 PM
I believe that is Buick's Stratomist Blue paint code from Dupont. Very nice looking blue for sure. As far as the value goes, I think it has a lot to do with the car and it's options, if it were an SS, etc. Otherwise I think it would be up to the buyers taste more so than being more valuable but that is just my opinion.

talwell
06-22-2012, 08:48 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I believe that is Buick's Stratomist Blue paint code from Dupont. Very nice looking blue for sure. As far as the value goes, I think it has a lot to do with the car and it's options, if it were an SS, etc. Otherwise I think it would be up to the buyers taste more so than being more valuable but that is just my opinion.</div></div>

Yes, you are correct on the paint code. Buick Stratomist Blue...looks like a nice metallic color and also had ivory interior.

XXXGoldL34M20
06-22-2012, 09:37 PM
lets see a photo of the entire car

talwell
06-23-2012, 12:21 AM
The car is pretty well stripped down already and most of the paint is off of it. Inside the rockers you can still see the blue paint. As well, the original 12 bolt is still in the car and it is a front disc brake car. Kind of interesting as well as it is a bench seat car with floorshift.

I will get some good pictures of the car shortly. The entire car is rust free aside from a tiny spot on the right rear quarter. This is the 4th nearly rust free desert car that we have found in the past few months. We dont expect this luck to last forever so we will take advantage of it while we can.

Excuse the major shadows - it is hard to get good pics in bright Nevada sunlight.

Kurt S
06-24-2012, 03:01 AM
Special paint orders had to go thru the Central Office, but there's no engineering involved so they aren't COPO's.

Force on your camera's flash and that will help with those pics, btw.

Schonyenko2
06-24-2012, 03:44 AM
I agree with Kurt although in the case of vehivles like bright green rail road trucks that may, or may not have special equipment for rolling down tracks, or cab area, the color was part of an overall order package.
Cars like 69 hugger orange Novas were -- special paint. My one source shows that Stratomist blue poly in a buick code 26 2213 show it also as Mulsannia blue poly on the Chev side. Shows it to be a * Corvette color, or a ** Riviera color.
I don't have access to my dupont book right now, but I think that's the laquer mixing code on the TT. Interesting how they did that, and not sure why. Reminds me of the MM magic mirror code.

talwell
06-24-2012, 03:23 PM
Thanks for the help guys. My research also shows that it is a Buick color.

What was involved back in the day to get special paint cars? Did you have to know someone or just pay extra and wait for the order to be processed to get your color choice? What were the limitations on the colors you could get? Today only on very select cars is this available. We are stuck with what is offered unless we paint it ourselves.

For some reason it looks like the 1970 Malibu Sport Coupes got alot of special paint. I wonder why this model and model year seems to have had more of this used over other cars.

Schonyenko2
06-24-2012, 05:38 PM
It appears that the 927 will denote a metallic pnt and I think the AF017 is a R-M mixing formula not dupont. Remember GM used 4 pnt suppliers R-M, dupont, Acme, and Ditzler, and it depended on which plant your car was produced in as to what was stamped on the tag for special orders especially on Chevelles.
While Mulsannia blue was a 70 GM color, it appears it wasn't an RPO color on SS Chevelles, sans the special order.
Appears you have a pretty cool project. I think we're all gonna want to see it when the pnt starts going on.

RealBoss302
06-24-2012, 05:38 PM
Just to pass along my personal experience I ordered and received a Special Paint '69 Z/28 in late '68. In my case what was &quot;special&quot; was I wanted a non vinyl top Lemans blue car with black, instead of the regular white, stripes. Didn't know anybody, we just specified on the order &quot;must have black stripes&quot; and sent it in, later a letter came back from Chevy stating it was a special order and approval was pending, and later another letter saying it had been approved. When the car arrived the sticker noted special paint (1001AA) and the trim tag was a dash-dash. Hope that helps.................

Ted

Bill Pritchard
06-24-2012, 11:59 PM
That's excellent first hand, real-world info.....Thanks, Ted!

RealBoss302
06-25-2012, 01:41 AM
My plesure Bill. Oddly enough I can recall vividly every detail of that car and its purchase process but not exactly sure where I had lunch yesterday. I DID forget to answer part of your question, there was no charge for the Special Paint.

Ted

442w30
06-25-2012, 06:25 PM
Ted, that's pretty bizarre that they required some kind of waiver to change the default stripe color. It almost doesn't sound logical.

Bill Pritchard
06-25-2012, 11:26 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RealBoss302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oddly enough I can recall vividly every detail of that car and its purchase process but not exactly sure where I had lunch yesterday.</div></div>

Now there's something that I can relate to! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

RealBoss302
06-26-2012, 03:02 AM
As I understood it at the time the stripe color didn't waiver from black with a black vinyl top and white with a white or no vinyl top. This was in October '68 and maybe things changed over the course of the model year but at that point in time my black stripe request made it &quot;special&quot; and Chevy's response I guess verified that. Hopefully that makes some sense..........

Ted

ohhawk
06-26-2012, 09:39 AM
Never thought GM would allow special paint for a stripe color only on a '70 Chevelle SS but saw a build sheet recently that showed it being incorporated in the build.

William
06-26-2012, 02:37 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RealBoss302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My plesure Bill. Oddly enough I can recall vividly every detail of that car and its purchase process but not exactly sure where I had lunch yesterday. I DID forget to answer part of your question, there was no charge for the Special Paint.

Ted </div></div>

Not always true.

There was a $33.75 charge for special paint on the well-known &quot;Carolina Blue&quot; '69 Z/28. Special paint could mean no stripes, a non-RPO stripe color or non-RPO paint color. Central Office probably had to make the call on feasibility and cost.

Ted, you sent me pictures of your Z/28 many years ago. Sharp car!

442w30
06-26-2012, 04:24 PM
FWIW, I think it's incorrect to refer to it as a Buick color - all of GM's brands had this color. I imagine the buyer saw the color on a Corvette and used that as inspiration.

RealBoss302
06-27-2012, 03:18 AM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RealBoss302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My plesure Bill. Oddly enough I can recall vividly every detail of that car and its purchase process but not exactly sure where I had lunch yesterday. I DID forget to answer part of your question, there was no charge for the Special Paint.

Ted </div></div>

Not always true.

There was a $33.75 charge for special paint on the well-known &quot;Carolina Blue&quot; '69 Z/28. Special paint could mean no stripes, a non-RPO stripe color or non-RPO paint color. Central Office probably had to make the call on feasibility and cost.

Ted, you sent me pictures of your Z/28 many years ago. Sharp car! </div></div>

Thanks Bill on both counts, for explaining how each request was different and Central Office made a varied call on the charge depending on each individual situation. And thanks for the kind words about my old car, you were a huge help when I was tracking it down and it's STILL appreciated.

Ted

69z28302
06-27-2012, 09:08 PM
Here's a picure of Ted's car with the Black Stripes. It starts at reply 77 and ends at 87. Also there is a copy of the original window sticker.
http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7119.msg62044#msg62044

MM

njsteve
06-27-2012, 09:32 PM
Yes, a non-available color was definitely a special cost option. Here's the PHS on my 1972 special order paint Formula 455HO. Black was not available in 1972 on a Firebird. It cost $88.14 to get it. &quot;SOLID SPECIAL&quot; is the first line item on the invoice. The cowl tag has the two dash &quot;--&quot; paint code indicator instead of an actual code.

http://i599.photobucket.com/albums/tt77/nk15268c/broadcast1.jpg