FS: 1969 Chevrolet Camaro RS Z/28 Lemans Blue

[sheitman]

RAC Performance is pleased to present this 1969 Chevrolet Camaro RS Z/28!


When thinking about a vintage muscle car, generally one of the first cars brought up is the first generation Chevrolet Camaro, which was produced from 1967-1969, with the '69 model having been the most popularity. This 1969 'RS' Z/28 Camaro exemplifies the term "MUSCLE."

This RS Z/28 was built the 4th week of February and purchased new in March of 1969 from Lew Williams Chevrolet in Corpus Christi, Texas. This vehicle has been a TEXAS car all of its life up to this point; starting in Corpus Christi and slowly making its way up to the North Texas Area.


This vehicle has not been 100% Restored. It has been refreshed, with some updates. There are many original parts still on the car, but it is not 100% original.

-Fresh engine rebuild (pre-caution for car sitting idle for many years)

-ball joint's

-gas tank straps

-ZL2 Hood

-leaf springs


This vehicle is equipped with the following factory options:

-DZ 302ci small block (rated at 290HP)

-4 Speed Muncie Manual Transmission

-Chambered Exhaust System

-Chevy Black Jack Header's

-Rally Sport Option

-Lemans Blue Paint 72 72

-Black Interior 712

-Astro Ventilation

-AM & FM Radio

-X33 Exterior Trim

-4.10 Positive Rear End

**RAC Performance DOES hold all documentation regarding this vehicle, such as: prior ownership history (mileage confirmation), service history, the protecto plate, warranty booklet, and more!!**


With just under 10,000 documented original miles, this RS Z/28 has a story that rival's that of a Pulitzer Prize winning book!


To hear the story and get more information regarding this 1969 Chevrolet Camaro RS Z/28 contact Spencer Heitman at RAC Performance, (214) 269-1579.


Priced at $69,900

http://inventory.racperformance.com/web/used/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-Dallas-Texas/1120916/


To hear the story and get more information regarding this 1969 Chevrolet Camaro RS Z/28 contact Spencer Heitman, (214) 269-1579, [email protected]
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**pictures up on the website**</span>

[Astock]

When thinking about a vintage muscle car, generally one of the first cars brought up is the first generation Chevrolet Camaro, which was produced from 1967-1969, with the '69 model having been the most popularity. This 1969 'RS' Z/28 Camaro exemplifies the term &quot;MUSCLE
-Lemans Blue Paint 72 72 -
4Wheel Disc Brakes
this RS Z/28 has a story that rival's that of a Pulitzer Prize winning book!
**more pic's coming soon, vehicle is scheduled to be pictured this week**[/color] [/quote]



Gotta love the history lesson on 1st gen Camaros at a Chevy site, and the paint code for L.Blue is 72 72(?)

[camaromb]

Pinstripes?

[Survivor 69/Z28]

&quot;Unrestored&quot; ? Engine rebuilt on an engine with less than 10k miles?
Factory rear disc brakes?
X33 - Is it a D80 car since it has spoilers?
Was this car equipped with a cowl hood originally?
YH wheels?

[mockingbird812]

Dollars to donuts this &quot;survivor&quot; is a repaint and not a factory jl8 for that price. Hope I'm wrong.......

[Stefano]

Tough crowd.

[Charley Lillard]

This is a new member here. Can we wait and see what he has ? Maybe he is not knowledgeable on Camaro's. Maybe he has posted what was told to him. If it is to be picked apart after he posts good pics can we please do it in a helpful way ?

[Zedder]

RAC performance is a primarily Porsche indy shop that used to be Ruf Auto Center...

[mockingbird812]

Yeah Stefano, perhaps a bit harsh. Bad on me for jumping the gun. No introduction and first posts are to sell got me off on the wrong foot. So, sheitman, welcome aboard and what do you say you tell us a bit about you? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Survivor 69/Z28]

I was a tad harsh as well. My questions do stand as I do believe they are partaining to the subject matter.
Welcome!

[CanCOPO]

Anyone posting here should welcome the comments. If the car is legit it will stand up to the scrutiny. I posted pictures of mine and welcomed every comment. In the end it helped me and I own a better car.
Welcome aboard.

[John]

Spencer, Welcome to the site.... You have a very nice looking RS Z/28
.... tell us more about this camaro ..It is one of my favorite color combinations
.... especially with the RS package.

.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Stefano]

Welcome aboard.

Just a note to admins:

I still believe that new as well as old members should have a completed profile before they can post anything, much less a significant car for sale.

This Camaro strikes a nerve with many of us as it might be a very desirable car.

You have come the the right place in order to get it sold. More pics and info will be helpful.

The natives are restless!

X33?
JL8?
Low miles?
Survivor?
Endura too!
ZL2?

[sheitman]

If you want more information send me an email or call me. I have all the doc's on this car that are pertinent, except the window sticker.

The ad does NOT tell everything about the car. I am selling this car for a good client of mine.

***The Hood is not original. The ZL hood was not an option on an early '69. They did not offer that hood until late '69. The hood was added sometime in 1970***

This car is priced VERY reasonably and realistic, with the research I have done. It has not had a full repaint! The hood is the only added paint on the car, because it was added after that fact. The vehicle is not a quote on quote survivor, but it is very close.

**Yes the pinstripes are horrible and were added by the 7th owner in the 90s. I have documentation showing when it was done**

**The vehicle is equipped with the original alternator and intake. The intake has been polished. It was done by the 3rd owner for some reason or another.

**The engine was rebuilt because it sat for many years (hence the mileage) and did not run properly upon purchase in early 2000.**

**Our Photographer will be out on Friday to shoot the car, pictures up by the weekend. Check the link in the ad periodically as pictures will follow soon**

So, out of respect for the car, my client, and our company, if you are interested please email or call. Don't just jump to conclusions on the car. I will NOT be monitoring this site everyday.

[mockingbird812]

He hasn't taken your hint Stefano - profile not complete.

Sheitman - if you are used to the &quot;Porsche crowd&quot; toughness then you should be used to us. So let's call that a wash. We like lots of pix round here cause we can learn stuff and hone our skills in the hobby. Plus - who gets tired of looking at beautiful muscle cars!! Not monitoring for days will probably not help your cause. Come on...............play with us!!!!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/youguysrock.gif

[TimG]

Slowly made its way from Corpus Christi to North Texas? What a shame it didn't spend some time in my garage in Austin.

[m22mike]

[quote=Stefano]Welcome aboard.

Just a note to admins:

I still believe that new as well as old members should have a completed profile before they can post anything, much less a significant car for sale.

Ditto that...no profile... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: m22mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=Stefano]Welcome aboard.

Just a note to admins:

I still believe that new as well as old members should have a completed profile before they can post anything, much less a significant car for sale.

Ditto that...no profile... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Charley.gif </div></div>

I agree x2

[enio45]

Can we have the web software checks the profile field and if its not completed...then
it would deny access.....not a hard thing to do for software :-)???????

[Zedder]

This link will hook you up to his business info...

http://www.racperformance.com/index.aspx?id=About

[Charley Lillard]

OK..the software now requires a name and email address. We will see how it works.

[sheitman]

I have completed a profile, now I'm part of the team!

[Charley Lillard]

Hey...I have one of them their foreign cars. http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/06/full-23-244-004.jpg

[ban617]

Car looks good in the pic ..,But with any of these cars you need pics of the trim tag and stamps on the deck of the block ,trans,and front brakes aswell as rearend housing stamps ...

[sheitman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ban617</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Car looks good in the pic ..,But with any of these cars you need pics of the trim tag and stamps on the deck of the block ,trans,and front brakes aswell as rearend housing stamps ... </div></div>


It say's in the ad, more pictures coming soon. With that having been said, pictures will be up soon. check the link in the ad after the weekend, professional pictures will be listed.

[69LM1]

Thanks for particpating. Looking forward to the pics on an interesting car!

RichPern

[Kurt S]

Nice car. I believe the JL8 axle was dealer installed in this car.
The cowl hood was available by February, but probably none were on the lots when the car was ordered.

[agtw31]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Survivor 69/Z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;Unrestored&quot; ? Engine rebuilt on an engine with less than 10k miles?
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doesn't surprise me a bit this motor needed rebuilt.
a valve probably stuck from sitting and punched a piston in the mouth when it was fired up

[x Baldwin Motion]

pics are up
http://inventory.racperformance.com/web/used/Chevrolet-Camaro-1969-Dallas-Texas/1120916/
http://photos.ecarlist.com/Dd/zZ/ID/uS/4Z/Km/wm/gX/gY/79/FA_800.jpg

http://photos.ecarlist.com/b8/Ob/qm/1r/F9/Fm/Lm/Yz/EL/0O/4A_800.jpg

[TDW]

4 wheel disc brakes? My eyes aren't so good anymore, but that looks like drums on the rear? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[agtw31]

maybe they meant 4 wheel disc center caps <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camaromb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pinstripes? </div></div>

Not sure why the pinstripes were unavailable on Z/28's. I think they look great.

[Charley Lillard]

I'll try to be polite. I'm not seeing at all how this can be called a unrestored car, much less a 10,000 mile car. Spencer I am just going to assume you don't know enough about Camaro's. The car has had the rear leaf springs replaced, the lower spring plates are wrong, the gas tank straps are supposed to be black but have been redone the wrong color, the upper ball joints have been replaced. These are the kind of things done in a amateur restoration, not how you typically see a unrestored low mile car.

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1969 Chevrolet RS Z/28 Camaro, Lemans Blue

VIN #: 124379N606592

This vehicle has NOT been restored.......</div></div>

Holy sheit man.
So far with 32 replies &amp; over 2500 views,I'm reminded of an email a poster once sent me once who is no longer on this website today...and rightfully so.
<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;When you're trying to sell something,there is no such thing as bad publicity.&quot;</span>

[Survivor 69/Z28]

Looks to be a nice driver type old Camaro. Thanks for posting more pictures.
I recommend to the seller that when selling an old musclecar that you keep everything as close to the actual facts as possible. Or maybe these were the facts given by the actual owner of the car…… But anyway, whoever ends up buying a car like this typically does their homework. As you can see there are a lot of knowledgeable folks on this forum that can pick a part an old musclecar in seconds. It’s not uncommon that before someone spends serious cash on an old car that the info on the vehicle in question ends up on a site just like this from a potential buyer. Then the forum hammers out all of the positives and negatives of the car in order to help out the potential buyer. Or they may hire a professional to come out and thoroughly go over the car.
Maybe this will help you with presenting the car where most of the questions are answered in the listing. This should also help you sell it a whole lot faster.
Good luck with your sell!!

[agtw31]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll try to be polite. </div></div>

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[camaromb]

Charlie was being polite, he didn't even mention the cowl induction seal!

[Kurt S]

From the sharp line in the blue to black firewall paint, it looks like it's been repainted?

[ban617]

Nice looking car ...I wonder if the pin stripes over the wheelwells are tape? Has anyone seen the trim tag ? Or any of the engine stamps? Seems like a lot of dough... its on e-bay with all the other 60,000 plus cars... The economy in Texas must be boomin...

[foster]

trunk stripe below the spoiler!!!! overall i think its a nice car if real and worth the $ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Bobg302DZ]

Is it me or do those front fender Rally Sport emblems look lower than usual.

[camaromb]

Good eye on those emblems, they are quite a bit lower than originals would be.

[ban617]

The rallysport emblem looks to be located about the same height as the Camaro emblem ....May be it was a Friday car or Monday car ....

[sheitman]

Trim tag picture added. Call or email me if you are an interested buyer. I won't go into detail on the car through the forum.

[Survivor 69/Z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trim tag picture added. Call or email me if you are an interested buyer. I won't go into detail on the car through the forum. </div></div>

Seems that if this were me I would want to clear the air in writing and have all of these questions answered.

FYI: One of the questions that was asked about your &quot;unrestored&quot; camaro was if it had spoilers originally. The front and rear spoiler were added. That option would be next to X33 on the trim tag and would read D80.

[pSYCo]

um..........i'm confused.............

[TDW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trim tag picture added. Call or email me if you are an interested buyer. I won't go into detail on the car through the forum. </div></div>


Why not go into detail here? I know that if I had ANY questions on a supposed un-restored 69 Camaro, this would be the FIRST place I would be asking questions. This site is where you will find some of the most knowledgeable people on the subject. It could help you sell it. You may have to change your description of the car though.

[agtw31]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trim tag picture added. Call or email me if you are an interested buyer. I won't go into detail on the car through the forum. </div></div>

This site is where you will find some of the most knowledgeable people on the subject. </div></div>


obviously they didn't plan on that <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Survivor 69/Z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Trim tag picture added. Call or email me if you are an interested buyer. I won't go into detail on the car through the forum. </div></div>

Seems that if this were me I would want to clear the air in writing and have all of these questions answered.

FYI: One of the questions that was asked about your &quot;unrestored&quot; camaro was if it had spoilers originally. The front and rear spoiler were added. That option would be next to X33 on the trim tag and would read D80. </div></div>

No D80 on the trim tag of an 02D car. that didn't show up on the tags until later. The car could have the D80 option, but it would not be on the trim tag.

[Steve Shauger]

Just an FYI. I spoke with Spencer last week and discussed why it was clearly not an &quot;unrestored&quot; car based on the pics. I had hoped/thought he would have modified the ad to reflect that the car had been restored at some point. As with any purchase let the buyer beware. I think at this point we are beating a dead horse.

[budnate]

hit the delete button on the add.

[Survivor 69/Z28]

No D80 on the trim tag of an 02D car. that didn't show up on the tags until later. The car could have the D80 option, but it would not be on the trim tag.
[/quote]

Could be, but I would tend not to be so possitive due to the other facts that we have discovered.

[Stefano]

I believe that use of D80 on the trim tags has been pinned down with'in a week or two.

[sheitman]

Peanut Gallery: My days do not consist of Forum bouncing. I do not spend all my time on forums just having conversation. My job is to sell car's, not just have conversation.

Having said that, if you are a interested buyer please contact me directly. I'm not going to write an essay on the forum. So far, I have had only one person contact me to ask about the history of the car.

My contact information is below. If you heard the story regarding this car, you may have a different viewpoint. Phone is ready and waiting.

Thank you.

[agtw31]

wow

class act.

[DarrenX33]

If your serious about your quota and its your job to sell cars than I would expect you would want to be knowledgeable about your product to the point where you would take some of the advice offered here. I certainly don't know you but just reading thru the ad and looking at the pics makes this car very suspicious to the point where if I was interested I'd run from it. This is going to be the case for many. I understand you may feel like your on the receiving end of a beating, but these are all good knowledgeable people just trying to help. Take advantage, if not then it may be best to pull the ad yourself if your not willing to learn. Good luck with your sale.

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Survivor 69/Z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">No D80 on the trim tag of an 02D car. that didn't show up on the tags until later. The car could have the D80 option, but it would not be on the trim tag.
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Could be, but I would tend not to be so possitive due to the other facts that we have discovered. [/quote]

Stefano is correct. We know within a couple of weeks when this practice started. The ONLY folks out there who believe an 02D tag &quot;could&quot; have a D80 designation imprinted are the poor suckers (along with the friends of those poor suckers) who unwittingly bought a car with a fake trim tag and are still holding out hope that just <span style="font-weight: bold">maybe</span> there were one or two of the earler cars that just happened to get a D80 imprint by some wild coincidence. What &quot;other facts&quot; have been discovered that would indicate a Feb. car getting a D80 imprint on the trim tag? Normally, those kinds of &quot;facts&quot; are nothing more than statements from some guy who says he has been in the hobby for 35 plus years and he has seen many early such examples. Fake tags have been around for over 24 years, and fake stamps even longer.

[Astock]

If the story will make all the difference, then spill-it on your next post. I personally think you don't want a previous owner to contradict the story.

[Gear_Jammer]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Peanut Gallery: My days do not consist of Forum bouncing. I have a 10-15 car quota per month, so I do not spend all my time on forums just having conversation. My job is to sell car's, not just have conversation.</div></div>

What I read from your statement is that you and/or your dealership's motto is &quot;quantity, not quality sales.&quot; IMHO, that's not a very ethical way of selling anything, much less a fairly high dollar car. Based on my conversation with another member on this forum, you don't have much more information on this car than you've posted here, so I'm not sure why you're adamant about having people call you if they are serious. It's a nice car and I'm sure you'll find some rich guy from the DFW area with little knowledge of what it really is to buy it, but it sure isn't going to be anyone on this forum.

[resto4u]

Sales and marketing = sales. If your not marketing what your selling, your losing sales.

[sheitman]

If you know what you are talking about, I need a straight answer, not speculation.

How do you know this is a fake trim tag?

Only respond if you REALLY know the answer.

[x Baldwin Motion]

The trim tag photo is down.


http://photos.ecarlist.com/ob/QB/TQ/jy/21/pu/WB/ap/db/Z7/Yg_800.jpg

even I can see this alternate emblem location.


* who's to say it's not a Monday or Friday car?

[agtw31]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x Baldwin Motion</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The trim tag photo is down. </div></div>

i believe the evidence has been &quot;misappropriated&quot;,watson.

http://imgc.allpostersimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/27/2741/M4RND00Z/posters/thomas-fall-banchory-dandy-owned-by-lorna-countess-howe.jpg

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sheitman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you know what you are talking about, I need a straight answer, not speculation.

How do you know this is a fake trim tag?

Only respond if you REALLY know the answer.

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1. Not sure if the trim tag photo was removed and then put back up, but I can see it fine in the first post.
2. I don't know that anyone has called the trim tag a fake. If someone did, I missed the post.
3. The pic of the trim tag is not clear enough to determine if it is real or fake. I can see no obvious flaw on the tag itself that would indicate a fake. A clearer pic would help. I would like some input from Kurt S and Mark C after looking at a clear picture.

One poster indicated that HE did not believe the car came with spoilers because the D80 designation was not on the tag. I tried to correct that post by stating that NONE of the 02 cars would have the D80 designation on the tag, even if it had the D80 option. Fisher didn't start using that info on the trim tag of any cars for a few months after this car. In essence, I was stating that the tag had the correct information for an 02D Z/28 RS, regardless of whether it had spoilers.

No question this is a tough crowd. Sorry your first venture here has been somewhat negative. If you do hang around, you will find some of the most knowledgeable guys arouond on these cars.

[DWCamaro69]

Trim Tag photo is still on the 1st page. I don't recall anyone saying it was fake. It looks fine to me. There was a side discussion about when the D80 code started appearing which this car does not have and should not have. Nice car just not a very accurate description by the seller IMHO.

[ban617]

Good lookin ..A question about the D-80 option is that the bottom edge of the deck lid wouldn't have been striped correct with the spoiler installed at the factory? looks to have been restored at some point with firewall paint stripe or touchup of sorts ...also RS emblem placement ?? Is the correct jack in the trunk? Whats the rock bottom dollar????

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ban617</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Whats the rock bottom dollar???? </div></div>

I suspect that's something that's best negotiated privately between the seller and a serious buyer.

[Stefano]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK..the software now requires a name and email address. We will see how it works. </div></div>

What happend to this plan?

[black69]

The current ad, as I read it says its not 100% restored, so thus its not a survivor. The seller should get some credit for stepping up and listing the car here under the terms of satisfaction guarantee. Dont like the car, he has to take it back. Based on the mileage and the paperwork, its could be a great car to own (repainted or not). Maybe when they added the ZL2 hood, they painted the panel in front of the windshield to match the new hood. Regardless, what a nice car!

[Jonesy]

That cowl tag is fine.

[sheitman]

I have turned down offer's of 50K and 55K. If you have a better offer in mind, give me a call and we can discuss it. Always have my phone with me.

[sheitman]

SOLD!!!