69 Camaro

[67BelAir427]

Interesting thread at the HAMB. Scroll down to the 69 Camaro pictures.

http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=183098

[Charley Lillard]

That Camaro now sits about 25 miles from me. Another one of my idiot Friends.

[scuncio]

That guy (Sled) has found some amazing stuff down there. My understanding is that quite a few road race cars made their way to Mexico later in the 1970s (after they were obsolete up here).

[TimG]

That's the Camaro I saw in Austin on the way to California.
Has he done anything with the car yet, Charley?

[16 Grand Sedan]

Hello all; idiot friend here <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/CharleySucks.gif

Still collecting parts for a correct restoration of this heap.

Yep, NOS GM quarters,tail panel,front sheet metal,grill,spoilers as well as original paint doors and endura. Nine Magnesium 200S Americans. All NOS correctly dated Stewart Warner 2 5/8 gauges plus a Stall/Jones tach. Original 69 Warranty M22 case now filled with GM M22 gears and the goofy Impala shifter. Original interior door panels, Berry fiberglass seat, and the unique Moto Lita steering wheel as was originally equipped. Complete GM cross ram with original 891 dated carbs and GM air cleaner. April 69 dated #618 block originally prepared by TRACO as well as ONE #186 Traco head--anybody out there have any original Traco pieces? I also own the original Stahl headers that were run on the Harn 67 Z--a perfect fit for this car. The car had all SIX of its original rear shocks including the two Koni Double adjustables. YEP, the front Koni's were gone but a pair of nicely dated double adjustables were located. The complete JL8/J56 front brakes were in place as was the 4:56 geared 12 bolt that Guldstrand modified to accept JL8/J56 rear disc brakes. The front sub frame was badly damaged but has been dissected and repared.

Related discussion on the CRG site; http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=9466.0

Still a few items to acquire and then the labor can begin <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Ha !

[Xplantdad]

Welcome Robert! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[bergy]

Welcome again Robert. Very significant car being restored there - way to go! Can't wait to see pics!

[TimG]

Thank you for the update, Robert. I've wondered about the progress of that car.

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/08/full-23-599-gerrygregory.jpg
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[Charley Lillard]

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/08/full-23-602-dscn3050.jpg
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[PeteLeathersac]

Welcome here Robert, WoW what a find!!!
Amazing there was a Road Test article w/ it, love the Test Car banner seen on the in the tank/trunk shot!
Is the tank and filler the originals, remounted slightly higher over the years?
What's the status of the rear, the rear rims look like old Ford pattern?
Couldn't help notice the Fred Gledhill '67 Crew cab ramp truck in the one shot, same rig seen in this previous thread here...
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=205234&amp;page=all


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~ Pete

[LS7]

That car is Bad Ass. I remember seeing pictures of it back in the day. Can't wait to see it done.

[Stefano]

Could this be the first ever 1969 Pro-Touring Camaro?

[16 Grand Sedan]

Thanks everyone for the kind words.

Jon Mello gets 100% credit for locating the car in Mexico city.

THANKS again to TimG and SW for their help when it showed up in Austin on its way back to California several decades after leaving.

I believe the fuel cell is the original but YES it has been moved forward and the filler neck upgraded. The mounting holes for the original filler brackets were one of the identifying marks to help ID the car. The original fuel filler door is one of the final significant pieces I have yet to locate.

[16 Grand Sedan]

The rear is certainly the original to the car. It's correctly dated and has the 4:56 code. Mr. Guldstrand was known for fabricating his own rear disc and suspension pieces.
Here is a link to yet another CRG discussion about shocks that shows the rear of this car and it's SIX shocks(reply #8-12); http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=7795.0

As for the rear wheels the bolt pattern is still 5 on 4 3/4. I still remember rolling it off the truck and watching the rear wheels wobble all over the place. The previous owner had trouble getting rims that would clear the big brakes and the spacers that were there. Thus there were all sorts of spacers and washers to make something fit.

The Gledhill truck may indicate the car originally came from there but I have no evidence of that yet. I do however own several of the license plate frames. The car seems to have been ordered as a Z28 with endura bumper, spoilers,cowl hood, 4:56 gears and no radio.

[m22mike]

Robert

Welcome, your car and story are awesome. And I guess being one of Charley's &quot;Idiot&quot; friends ain't so bad... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif.
What I haven't figured out is what the pecking order is between &quot;Dummy&quot; and &quot;Idiot&quot; friend.
Great stuff, I have been watching at the CRG too.

Mike

[markinnaples]

AWE.SOME.

[black69]

cant wait to see this car come back to life!
What a rare piece of camaro history....

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Robert</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The rear is certainly the original to the car. It's correctly dated and has the 4:56 code. </div></div>

The history of this car is obviously the trump card but a <span style="text-decoration: underline">'69 model year only</span> Camaro built/shipped w/ the factory 4:56 rear axle (or 4.88) is a factory Copo 9511 car!
If original tube what stamping is it, BW?


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~ Pete

[16 Grand Sedan]

YES, the code is BW. If I knew how to post a picture I would. Thats probably part of being classed as an idiot <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/laugh.gif

[PeteLeathersac]

W<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gifW again as it looks like this really is a Copo 9511 Z28!!!
Again the history of the car is key also amazing it exists but considering all this car was simply born as it's hard not to think of the day it rolled off the line, maybe THE sweetest combination of '69 parts the factory ever put together!
And endura too, unbelievable!!!

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~ Pete

[m22mike]

If you can send the picture via my email, I will post it up.

Mike

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[16 Grand Sedan]

Hello again,

I just sent the pictures to m22Mike.

The rear is clearly the one that has been in the car since it was converted into a Trans am racer in 1969. The unique horizontal shocks and the welded tabs for these indicate that. However, the CASTING date on the rear appears to be an &quot;8&quot; rather than a 9, at least in my opinion. However, if it were a &quot;9&quot; then the assembly date &quot; BW 0221 G2 &quot; fits the car quite nicely. Naturally the cowl tag is long gone but as I recall the LA vin put the build date in mid March 1969.

The Motorcade magazine pictures do show the car while under construction with the rear end removed. In the background of two of the pictures one can see a rear axle with rotors. I suppose it is possible the original housing could have been changed at that time. While the &quot;BW&quot; code is 4:56's the Sports Car Graphic Magazine artical states the car as having 4:10's.

THANKS for all the interest and support.

[m22mike]

Here are Roberts Pictures he sent. Robert, Charley is going to show you how to post pictures. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/CharleySucks.gif

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/08/full-2974-640-trans_am_race_car_items_059.jpg
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