Inherited 69 Copo Camaro

[runninbear]

Just inherited my fathers 69 Copo Camaro that he bought brand new in May of 69. I have all original paperwork, including original title(which I have not transferred to my name), retail order for motor vehicle form and original cash receipt from Dealer. It has 11k miles and I am looking to "freshen" it to make it perfect and would like to get some advice on who might be best to contact.
Thanks in advance.

[SS427]

Congrats on owning/inheriting a great car and you have come to the right place for advice. Hopefully your dad passed it onto you just due to his age and not due to his passing.

There are several on board that can help you with the freshing up of your car, me included. We do a lot of survivor and clean up cars so we are not new to it. Check out our web page and "Revival and maintenence section".

Welcome aboard!

[enio45]

Congrats on the car - sorry to hear you got it thru an inheritance. Im sure it has alot of special meaning.

Ask away about the car and what your planning to do. A few pics would be great!

[Charley Lillard]

Congrats and welcome to the site. Please post pics and dont do any freshening yet. A lot of times mistakes are made and the car would have been better left alone.

[m22mike]

Good advice by Charley. You must be careful with survivor cars to preserve OE finishes. Hopefully it was stored well.
Where you at ? Would be nice if you work on your profile. Looking forward to some good photos, and details about your car, always great to see survivor cars.
If you need help posting photos, just ask.

Mike

[runninbear]

Wow..thanks for the well wishes and welcoming. I am located in Ohio and am challenged as far as the pictures are concerned. Should I be cautious in posting VIN's and that sort of thing? I think I read on here something about theft and the like and I also saw another post about a guy following a Copo across the country that didnt even belong to him. My dad has even had the original dealership contact him at his residence out West over the years(after he moved out there from his hometown) about the car...kinda concerns me this day and age. Thoughts? Thanks again everyone!

[scuncio]

Congrats! Would love to see your car someday (I'm in Michigan).

[MosportGreen66]

Start with posting photos of the car... Welcome aboard!

[Charley Lillard]

If you have the pics on your computer you can upload them by clicking on the 5th box from the left in the row of stuff above where you are typing your reply. we can help if you get stuck.

[camaromb]

I think all the Copo Camaros are in Ohio aren't they!? Yes your car could be found with a vin # that is known so keep that to yourself if you don't anyone contacting you. We look forward to hearing the details about your car; dealership/color/condition/etc. We're still waiting for the 200 mile original owner Yenko Camaro to appear, it will be nice to see a real car surface.

[bergy]

It would be interesting to know what dealer it came from. If it's Ewing Chevrolet, we have contacts who worked at the dealership and probably remember your dad's car.

[m22mike]

Where in Ohio ?

Mike

[m22mike]

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[runninbear]

M22 mike...Central Ohio. Sorry everyone, not good with the pics.

[mockingbird812]

Runninbear.

Send pix to me: [email protected] and I'll post them for you.

[bashton]

Welcome the website; you are indeed in the right place.

I would like to extend an invitation to you to bring your car to the upcoming Muscle Car and Corvette Nationals show in IL. in November. www.mcacn.com (http://www.mcacn.com) Your car and its history would be appreciated by real enthusiasts who know what the car is.

You will be able to meet many of the folks. (maybe even all?) who are responding to your posts. There is an incredible wealth of knowledge here and some great people willing to share this knowledge.

I can be reached at [email protected] or call me any time; 586-549-5291.

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[69z28302]

Congrats on the COPO. There are many people on this site that answer any of your questions. I think I would leave it alone. Any info on color, options , stick or automatic?

Mike

[Billohio]

I am in central Ohio. There seems to have been several COPO's in this area

[camaromb]

So, runninbear called me a few weeks ago, the Copo is identical to another one owner Copo I know; same color; same dealer, etc. but it's a different car??!! What are the odds??!! He said his dad sold him the car for $3,400, the price he paid for the car new. He says dad is still alive, I guess it's not an inheritance then? I wish I had a dad like that!

I told runninbear to send me a picture on his phone..... no pics....

Runninbear found the best Copo related site on the internet with a new Copo find and then has nothing to share? I don't get it, too busy I guess.

I don't believe the car exists........ another original owner 200 mile Yenko or not???

Like I said, I will publicly apologize if I am wrong Runninbear. I would like to be wrong. We are waiting patiently....

[desertrat]

Banned member

[mockingbird812]

Fill out your profile desertrat! Nice 1st post btw.

[runninbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: camaromb</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So, runninbear called me a few weeks ago, the Copo is identical to another one owner Copo I know; same color; same dealer, etc. but it's a different car??!! What are the odds??!! He said his dad sold him the car for $3,400, the price he paid for the car new. He says dad is still alive, I guess it's not an inheritance then? I wish I had a dad like that!

I told runninbear to send me a picture on his phone..... no pics....

Runninbear found the best Copo related site on the internet with a new Copo find and then has nothing to share? I don't get it, too busy I guess.

I don't believe the car exists........ another original owner 200 mile Yenko or not???

Like I said, I will publicly apologize if I am wrong Runninbear. I would like to be wrong. We are waiting patiently....

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Guess I should reply to this.. I made the mistake early on of speaking with this guy on the phone, who has now taken this to a different level. He is demanding proof of ownership, which as desert rat adds, is appalling. I guess I made a mistake of asking for advice on this forum, which I was leary of doing in the first place..and now regret it. I am not sure why others feel it is ok to try and publicly berate or discredit someone. If someone isnt comfortable sharing info on the web..isnt that ok..period? I am getting called out by someone who cannot respect the fact that I want to keep the car and info private..to me this is unacceptable! Guys like this are the reason I received so many PMs about keeping the car private. For those of you who sent the respectful PMs about the car and info..thx.

[Charley Lillard]

Runninbear. I just reread this entire thread, you might also.

&quot; I guess I made a mistake of asking for advice on this forum, which I was leary of doing in the first place..and now regret it.&quot;

You got a warm welcome in the thread, you got advise, you got several people willing to help you with pics, you apparently never took anyones help with pics, you read the post of one skeptic and regret posting on this site ? The skeptic apparently knows of a identical car. Keep in mind we have had people come here and tell us about this great car they have and it turns out it is just someone making stuff up for attention. Try looking at this from both sides.

[Mr70]

runninbear...with all due respect,you came forward &amp; made this public on here.
He/we didn't.
The quickest/easiest way to shut up someone discrediting you,your dad or your car,is to post what he/they ask for,as well as back up what you say.

Both you &amp; desertrat should fill out your profiles more,at least with a full name,location,email addy.
Otherwise no one will take much of what you say seriously.

[CanCOPO]

I bought a 69 Camaro when I was 18. Prior to starting restoration I sent the VIN to GM Canada and it turned out to be a COPO. I came openly to this site for advice which they freely shared. Today I have a better car due to their input. Furthermore, this site protects countless people from the multitude of scams that exist. Hats off to the dedicated members here and their wealth of knowledge. As I've said in the past. There is nothing to worry about or take offence with if the car is legit.

[m22mike]

CanCOPO..Well stated. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif As for &quot;Somewhere in central Ohio Guy&quot;...(WTF) Your the one that is missing out here. I know you don't like what Mark &quot;Camaromb&quot; told you, and that's to bad. Fact is he has studied these COPO's forever and has tons of data about these cars. He has recently helped me with BDY #'s and other info on a COPO that I am currently restoring. No dought you may have learned something about your car and others build in the same time frame had you been more up front with those here.
When a newb comes on here with the right attitude, and is truly interested about gaining some knowledge, you would be amazed at the info you will gain, and there is a ton to learn about these 69 COPO Camaro's.
And fill out your profile, or you don't really exist. Good luck.

Mike

[beater68427]

Everyone wanted to see pics of one of my cars as well, I joined a while ago thinking it might have built buy someone special and had questions. Turns out my car is just nothing but everyone here has been great and verry helpful they just like looking at pics.. so do I... Good luck with the car.

[runninbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beater68427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everyone wanted to see pics of one of my cars as well, I joined a while ago thinking it might have built buy someone special and had questions. Turns out my car is just nothing but everyone here has been great and verry helpful they just like looking at pics.. so do I... Good luck with the car. </div></div>
Thanks beater..folks have been very helpful and the site has a wealth of knowledge.

[scuncio]

Yes, Mark is a good guy and knows a lot about these cars. It's great that you've paid up to be a member on this site and we look forward to seeing pics of the car.

[Xplantdad]

Hi Runningbear...is your car yellow by chance? I believe that I've seen pics elsewhere of it, if it is. Either way, welcome to the site. And you are right, there is a ton of knowledge here. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Chevyfever]

I am guessing runningbears car is white with blue interior,looking forward to pics.

[Born30YrsLate]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Runningbear...is your car yellow by chance? I believe that I've seen pics elsewhere of it, if it is. Either way, welcome to the site. And you are right, there is a ton of knowledge here. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>

Bruce I'm thinking you're thinking of this car from a previous thread... Yellow COPO ZL1 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/361689/Searchpage/1/Main/34109/Words/yellow_UBBT_PHRASE_zl1/Search/true/Re_market_value_of_69_ZL1#Post361689)

[Charley Lillard]

Apparently that yellow car that Andy called a ZL1 is Runnin bears car. And apparently DesertRat was Bill Zazek who was banned from this site years ago. not sure I understand why Runnin was so shy about pics. Cool car.

[Xplantdad]

That's where I saw the pics Fred! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[runninbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi Runningbear...is your car yellow by chance? I believe that I've seen pics elsewhere of it, if it is. Either way, welcome to the site. And you are right, there is a ton of knowledge here. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif </div></div>
Xplantdad..sure is. Thx for the welcome..lots of good guys here that have shared a lot of knowledge. Nice convertible..my mom had one back in the 70s and I have lots of good memories in that car.

[runninbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently that yellow car that Andy called a ZL1 is Runnin bears car. And apparently DesertRat was Bill Zazek who was banned from this site years ago. not sure I understand why Runnin was so shy about pics. Cool car. </div></div>
Thx Charley

[MosportGreen66]

Post more pics man... that thing is badass! Don't be shy!!!

[m22mike]

Neat car... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

[Atuckman]

please tell me it survives in the same skin in those pics...another reminder of how easily i fall in love with these cars. Enjoy your treasure <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[mockingbird812]

Link for photos?

[Born30YrsLate]

Sam there are some photos in the link I posted...you may have to scroll down in that old post to see them...

[PeteLeathersac]

W<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gifW!!!
Welcome aboard RunninBear!!!

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete


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[mockingbird812]

Thanks for the pix. What does the car look like today? What tranny does she have? What plans do you have for it Runnin' Bair? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Born30YrsLate]

What track is that at?

[Chevy454]

Dragway 42, West Salem, OH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: runninbear</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently that yellow car that Andy called a ZL1 is Runnin bears car. And apparently DesertRat was Bill Zazek who was banned from this site years ago. not sure I understand why Runnin was so shy about pics. Cool car. </div></div>
Thx Charley</div></div>


Congrats on inheriting a fabulous car. Sometimes our enthusiasm and passion can get the best of us. In the past we have had new members join and make up fantastic stories only to find out it was a hoax. I can assure you that Camaromb is as passionate as they come and will go out of his way to help anyone and share his knowledge. Welcome to the site and again congratulations, and please share your childhood memories and stories of the car with us. My childhood memories of my father as it relates to cars is that they were only means a of traveling from point A to B and absolutely nothing more. In fact it used to annoy him that I spent some much time, money and energy on them. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[runninbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: runninbear</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently that yellow car that Andy called a ZL1 is Runnin bears car. And apparently DesertRat was Bill Zazek who was banned from this site years ago. not sure I understand why Runnin was so shy about pics. Cool car. </div></div>
Thx Charley</div></div>


Congrats on inheriting a fabulous car. Sometimes our enthusiasm and passion can get the best of us. In the past we have had new members join and make up fantastic stories only to find out it was a hoax. I can assure you that Camaromb is as passionate as they come and will go out of his way to help anyone and share his knowledge. Welcome to the site and again congratulations, and please share your childhood memories and stories of the car with us. My childhood memories of my father as it relates to cars is that they were only means of traveling from point A to B and absolutely nothing more. In fact it used to annoy him that I spent some much time, money and energy on them. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

Have good and bad memories .. Good, first time I got to drive it at 12 years old...Bad, we used to haul it around on a 1960s Uhaul flatbed..used to embarrass the crap out of me....

[brent396]

Sweet car how fast was it any recent pics or what shape is it in <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[runninbear]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brent396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sweet car how fast was it any recent pics or what shape is it in <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif </div></div>

11.2 in B Production class...car is pretty much unchanged from the pics.

[camaromb]

Runninbear,

WOW!, I missed all the excitement! I'm glad to say I owe you an apology. I was wrong, gladly, about your car being real. With hundreds of Copo cars known and only a handful of original owner non-Yenko Copo cars that exist, this is the third original owner yellow Copo Camaro known and the second from the same dealer???!! They are all in Ohio too???!!!! Unbelievable.

With all the cars that don't really exist/stories we all have heard over the years, this car was hard to believe with so little information. Good luck, enjoy the car, it is one of the rarest that exist thats for sure. Thanks for sharing some info about the car.

Mark

[brent396]

I think my 69 copo camaro was also going 11.27 back in 1970 in B stock class .Then it went into the 10s in the super pro class in 71 according to the owner back then.Thanks for the info Brent <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[Astock]

11.2 in B Production class...car is pretty much unchanged from the pics. [/quote]

I hope you leave the car unchanged. So many people, thinking they might increase the value with a new paint job or light resto, actually ruin the car.

[Kurt S]

Who was the selling dealer? Hubner (Huebner?) Chevrolet?

With the Atco sponsorship, I assume it was an automatice?

Nice. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[bashton]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: runninbear</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paceme</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: runninbear</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Apparently that yellow car that Andy called a ZL1 is Runnin bears car. And apparently DesertRat was Bill Zazek who was banned from this site years ago. not sure I understand why Runnin was so shy about pics. Cool car. </div></div>
Thx Charley</div></div>


Congrats on inheriting a fabulous car. Sometimes our enthusiasm and passion can get the best of us. In the past we have had new members join and make up fantastic stories only to find out it was a hoax. I can assure you that Camaromb is as passionate as they come and will go out of his way to help anyone and share his knowledge. Welcome to the site and again congratulations, and please share your childhood memories and stories of the car with us. My childhood memories of my father as it relates to cars is that they were only means of traveling from point A to B and absolutely nothing more. In fact it used to annoy him that I spent some much time, money and energy on them. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif </div></div>

Have good and bad memories .. Good, first time I got to drive it at 12 years old...Bad, we used to haul it around on a 1960s Uhaul flatbed..used to embarrass the crap out of me.... </div></div>

Runnningbear; again want to extend the invite to you to join us at MCACN IV, November 17-18. You will not only be able to put faces to many of the people who have chimed in here, but will also be able to share the memories with a whole lot of people who would absolutely LOVE to hear them and see this historical bit of real Muscle Car history.

If you need any additional information, feel free to e-mail me directly bashton426@gmail,com or call me any time; 586-549-5291.

Thanks;

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[ANDY M]

I just ran across this thread, (my ears must have been burning), so is there any update? The owners name was Bair, if you look at the quarter panel where it's painted &quot;Running Bair&quot;. As I recall, I met some guy at a cruise in, got to talking with him, he went home and came back with an old photo album and he let me photograph his old pictures. He was the guy with long black hair in the last photo, and he was the guy who told me that it was a ZL1. He was wrencher, not the owner.
I think runninbear emailed me a picture of this car, I'll have to dredge my old files to see if I still have it.
Andy

[runninbear]

sorry Andy..I dont know the guy on the left and my Dad is the one on the right. Not sure where he got his info, but its not a ZL1.

[Flying Undertaker]

I've just read this thread today. I met a drag racer at Dragway 42 @10-15 yrs. ago racing a back-halfed Cortez Silver 69 Camaro with yellow and green stripes starting at the rocker behind the front wheels widening as they headed toward the rear of the car over the trunklid. This car was also called "Running Bear" above the stripes. I asked the racer if the car was an original 69 427 Camaro and he replied "yes, how did you know?". Until I saw your dad's car was Daytona Yellow, I thought that racer might have been your dad. By the way, my first experience with drag racing was at the 1972 AHRA Summernationals at Dragway 42 when I was 18.