Who here knows mid-year Corvettes?

[442w30]

I've seen a lot of stats quoted in the past but never have seen anything published, so maybe you can point me out to a good website?

This car reminded me of some of the stuff I've read:

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail...gn=CA0812_S112# (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=CA0812-134305&utm_source=delivra&utm_medium=email&utm_cam paign=CA0812_S112#)

This car is claimed to be a COPO because it has a non-standard paint scheme (although silver/red seems to be kinda regular to my eyes?). I've seen a few quotes on how many black/red cars were built, but from the Corvette Black Book it only shows numbers by color and not by trim.

Any insight to the Corvette world would be appreciated!

[olredalert]

----Diego,,,There were many, many years when silver/red was an available combination. There has never been a plausible reason why it wasnt a possibility in 1967 unless COPO ordered, but that is the case. Chalk it up to whoever made the color decisions for that year. It does make for an extremely rare 67, especially with the show provenance that this car seems to have. Maybe someone else can add to this. I hope so, but doubt it!

----The most complete book about mid-years on the planet is Noland Adams "Corvette Restoration and Technical Guide" and he mentions nothing about COPO or color variations. Go figure!.......Bill S

[442w30]

Thanks for your answer.

[PeteLeathersac]

Although not an available '67 combo, was a Copo really necessary to get it?
Where's the paperwork to back up the claims of this car as even if the Copo/F&SO box is noted, if the NY show part of the story is true it may have more to do with it than the non-standard colors?

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[Fast67VelleN2O]

Why does this car have bolt ons in the vintage photo that Mecum provides, yet, this is a rally wheel equipped car?

[442w30]

I guess to piggy-back on Pete's post, does a special-order color or non-standard trim combo require the COPO channel?

[MosportGreen66]

Yes. There some well known special color combination cars ordered under the copo system. I know of two '66 corvettes ordered with trophy blue exteriors and bright blue interiors and even a '67 corvette ordered in mosport green.

[PeteLeathersac]

Perhaps some non-standard color combinations were built and went through the system w/ a Copo but depending on year etc wasn't always req'd?
Here's a thread on the same exact subject, click below and note John Z's comments.
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c...coupe-copo.html (http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c1-and-c2-corvettes/2722173-my-1967-silver-red-corvette-coupe-copo.html)
Cool if a Copo car but tags/paperwork etc need to be examined to know for sure or not, as always the proof is in the pudding!

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[TimG]

Here's a silver red build sheet from one of these rare color cars.
There is clearly a COPO number in the COPO box. The trim tag shows the correct codes for Paint and Trim, but this color was ordered through the COPO system.

[442w30]

I kinda was of the opinion of something that was mentioned in that Corvette forum:

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think a lot of folks mistakenly use the term COPO when they come across anything that doesn't appear to be normal as per the Black Book or an NCRS, Noland Adams publication.</div></div>

So would it be correct to suggest that many, if not most, specially trimmed non-fleet cars (like special-order colors) were not COPOs but this one in particular is?

[TimG]

Some argue that special color combinations are not true COPO cars since the paint and interior were really not special or different from what was avialable. A ZL1 or COPO Camaro was a different combination of parts that had to be put together for those options. Most folks agree that this particular color combination was COPO ordered. What does everyone think?

[luzl78]

Another rare 67 color/combo was a black coupe with blue stinger and interior. I don't know if this was a copo deal or you could normally order it. I think they only made a few of this combination.

[anthony_b]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: luzl78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another rare 67 color/combo was a black coupe with blue stinger and interior. I don't know if this was a copo deal or you could normally order it. I think they only made a few of this combination. </div></div>

...I believe they have only accounted for only FOUR known to exist in this combination. Back when the economy was a bit stronger a good few years ago I believe one of these was bought/sold by a well known Texas Corvette collector for $640K. In 2008, a Black/Blue stinger/Blue interior '67 435 roadster w/12K miles on it made the NCRS circuit for awhile around that time. I know the owner and it is one stunning color combination.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Any pictures of the above color combination? It sounds KILLER

[MosportGreen66]

Steve Bramati will have to chime in here. He is the in house expert in rare '67 Corvettes!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/jhsh08.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0426.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0431-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v441/mosportgreen66/IMG_0624.jpg

[PeteLeathersac]

Cool tank sheet, thanks for posting that!
Keeping in mind the box is for Copo/Fleet and Shop Orders, is S1214 actually known to be a Copo # or could it be perhaps a Shop Order or even Fleet code also is there something more on this sheet to indicate a Copo or otherwise?
Also what's the notation under power steering that looks like A Baldwin, perhaps a GM employee name?
It's not Baldwin Chevy's dealer code, what dealer was 271 in Zone 12 anyway?


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[TimG]

A Baldwin is the original owner we believe. There's been no contact with him. A rare export silver/red big block is in Sheboygan, WI. It was an export car with lots of paperwork.
We have nothing more on the COPO option with this car other than the S1214.

[PeteLeathersac]

Very cool car either way but again is S1214 actually known to be a Copo # or could it perhaps be a Shop Order #?
I've read about GM execs using S/O's to get something special for their cars before, Wingate's Clippinger delivered '67 coupe is one also may be worth comparing as the tank sheet is online and it appears to be a # in the box but is too faint to see?
http://www.67fso.com/
Info regarding the Wingate car seems to suggest it's the only '67 S/O car, maybe not?


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[TimG]

Here's a copy of a window sticker for a '65 fuelie. Rare car, but nothing unusual as far as options go. I've never understood why there's a number in the COPO box.

[442w30]

What is a shop order?

[TimG]

It's a specialty built vehicle for car shows or for executives. The head honchos could have a special car built for them under a shop order request. The Harley Earl Corvette or the Worlds Fair Corvette are Shop Order cars. Was the Cherokee Camaro a Shop Order car? They usually have a tag showing the Shop Order number on the car.

[442w30]

So how was a salesman able to do this? And how did he know he could do this?

[SBR]

Tim, very cool tank sheet picture of the silver/red 300hp car. I noticed that it has posi with a base engine and a powerglide. I don't think that was available through the RPO system and may explain why the COPO code was used on that particular car. I would love to know for sure.

[black69]

I know the guy with the silver red car in wisconsin. he judges vettes at mcacn now too.
pretty sure its a copo car from when he told me how rare it was. It was in original paint for a long time. Pretty rare cars.

[PeteLeathersac]

Great examples but again how can we know these are Copo #'s or call it a Copo box when it's used for Copo, Fleet and Shop Orders?
Things worked differently at all GM plants also procedures changed each year etc so more examples of anything we can find w/ #'s in the C-F&amp;SO box probably the best way to go from here?
Could it be as simple as the S #'s represent Shop Orders etc, certainly this stuff must be well known in 'Vette circles?
Good question on the Cherokee too, I love that car especially since it paced at Mosport where I grew up!


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