L89 Opinion on Dallas Mecum Camaro

[musclecar fan]

Does anyone know anything about this car? From the pictures what is incorrect as best as you can tell?

Thanks

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-135714

[mockingbird812]

Nice looking restoration. Looks like it has a dealer invoice and a pop. Someone also showed incredible restraint not adding a cowl hood! Car history would be nice. I don't know the car, but someone around here may.

[69z28302]

Wow! love that car!

[1969z280]

Why do you want people to criticize such a beautiful Camaro?

[mockingbird812]

Ed, I'm guessing he's interested in it and looking for the expert's opinions.

[SSJunkie68-69]

Tried to blow up the pics on the docs but no luck. I have a registry of the L89's. If some one who has a better computer and can get better details on the vin or trim tag i can see what info I have on it, if any. Out of the 311, there not too many still out there.

[Dave Rifkin]

My opinion; it's a beautiful car that I would love to own. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[the427king]

&quot;I have a registry of the L89's. If some one who has a better computer and can get better details on the vin or trim tag i can see what info I have on it, if any. &quot; How many lemans/white cars do you have in your registry?????

[PeteLeathersac]

Looks absolutely beautiful!!!
Wonder if matching #'s mean original or restamped?

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[musclecar fan]

VIN is 124379N593096

Do you have any info on the car in your registry?

Thanks

[Mr70]

Here's an auction ad for it in 2009.

http://www.collectorcarfactslive.com/mai...mp;LayoutID=230 (http://www.collectorcarfactslive.com/main.cfm?p=SalesCatalog&amp;l=en&amp;ITEM_ID=637726&amp;EID=38 06&amp;CurrentRow=239&amp;LayoutID=230)

[musclecar fan]

Her's a pic of the trim tag. Is the tag REAL or REPRO?

[m22mike]

IMO tag is OK

[Lynn]

That tag looks good.

[dl7265]

103K Top 10 sale today.

DL

[69LM1]

Nice..... Did you see that 69 Auto TA go just before this car? 180k! Wow. My friend here is a pontiac guy and he was even shocked.

This car was visually stunning.

RichPern

[1969z280]

The 1969 Trans Am is a Ram Air IV car. That is why the price was $185K regardless of the automatic transmission.

[69LM1]

The Dick Harrell 69 Camaro goes on the block today..... As well as the Rally Green Yenko Camaro.

Really liking the 71 Motion car as well.

RichPern

[mockingbird812]

White &quot; 480 mile&quot; COPO (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-136009&amp;entryRow=95&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=81) sold for 142,500.

[69LM1]

71 motion a no sale, bid to 250k.
Original paint car.

Rich

[GTO_DON]

Rich. how did your car do??

[x77-69z28]

was just gonna ask the same question!

[owners2]

[quote=69LM1]71 motion a no sale, bid to 250k.
Original paint car.

Rich [/. That is one of my favorite Motion cars.

[mockingbird812]

DY LS6 (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-136024&amp;entryRow=118&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=113) hi bid @ $130,000.

[mockingbird812]

RG Yenko (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-139963&amp;entryRow=147&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=145) sold @ $240,000.

[mockingbird812]

'63 Z11 &quot;Grey Ghost&quot; (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-140138&amp;entryRow=158&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=145) hi bid to $250,000.

[mockingbird812]

Harrell COPO (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-137612&amp;entryRow=255&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=241) Hi bid to $275,000.

[69LM1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rich. how did your car do?? </div></div>


Like I said, think I made every newbe mistake there was! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif
Bid to 43k. Which is what it was for sale here for (low number) but the reserve at mecum was higher becuase of the fees. No sale.

Bummer, guess I have to keep a 44k mile original L78 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Turns out Friday 1030am is one of the worst slots there is. Mostly dealers looking to snag a good deal. TV's not rolling yet and they are selling neon and trailers. No one's liquored up yet!

There were also some good deals to buy. If the L78 would have sold I think I would have bid on a 1969 Firebird Vert, 400/4speed car. White ext on Blue Int and Blue Top. Clean, clean original car that had a hard time getting to 25k and the owner dropped the reserve.

Also and another mistake, they post a daily &quot;green sheet&quot; with car lots and basic description. because I did not know where they populated that info from I made the mistake of listing on a form as the form requested, make and model of car. Thus, it was only listed as &quot;1970 Camaro SS&quot; with no mention of L78.

Most of the mistakes were mine, but some were not. Two that I really got frustrated about were:

First, apparently Mecum was ordered to hire some local union for many of the drivers and workers (at least that's what I was told). Many of these guys could not drive a stick very well and some were driving these cars like they were at a wrestling match. The (much) older guy who was suppoed to drive my car across the block kept trying to start in 2nd gear instead of 1st and would not listen to me. He kept killing it, so they &quot;pushed&quot; it across the block. I am sure this did not help. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif . The car acutally runs great so it was disappointing to have the car pushed across the block.

Second, I made sure that I had the mandated 1/4 tank of gas. Check in said that was not good enough and that they had to drain the tank and put three gallons back in. 3 gallons aint a whole lot in a BB car especially when you sit in line to get into the convention center and then drive it to the slot. When it was time to leave yesterday I flagged down a mecum golf cart with a battery and gas can and asked for a few gallons of gas to make sure I could get back to the trailer lot a good ways from the convention center. Apparently, if you car will start they cannot give you any fuel.

I left the convention center, got into the tunnel 1/2 between the center and the trailer lot and of course, ran out of gas in a pitch black tunnel.

Car guys to the rescue, some unknown good samaratin (Thanks Bill if you read this!) drove over to me in a scooter with a few gallons of gas from the trailer lot. I think he passed me broken down as I was walking to the trailer lot. When I got back with the trailer (we were going to try and push the car into the trailer!) he put the gas in and we were able to drive it in.

Again, GREAT car guys at this show. The mecum staff were very nice if not helpful. I gueess their hands were tied with many of the rules. The workers and drivers? not so much.

We wound up leaving last night and driving back to New Orleans.

If I ever were to do another Auction, I sure learned a few things. It is definatly a machine!

RichPern

[TimG]

Auctions are very stressful. We brought a 427 Comet to Barrett Jackson two years ago and it puked on the ramp from loading up.
It started and tons of smoke came out of the rear. It just looked horrible on a car that was going for no reserve. I think that cost my friends about $10,000 on the price of the car.

[the427king]

Chuck I have removed your statement because of the mix up between you talking about X11-X22, this car being X66 and it being second hand info. If your friend wants to post and straighten things out or if anyone has info that is clearer than what was presented then it can be posted.

[1969z280]

Chuck,

The person who purchased this L89 Camaro with the bill of sale, protecto-plate and certified trim tag, is going to be quite disappointed given you posted that the car is fake based on your &quot;nameless&quot; friend's review of the tag. I don't know if your post was necessary or appropriate. JMO, Ed

[PBT]

The new owner should be disappointed &amp; will be very disappointed when the truth comes about this car!

[mockingbird812]

Car was &quot;high bid&quot; to $130K, so unless it was sold after the auction block, this car has not changed hands.

[1969z280]

Sam:

The Mecum website shows the car sold for $103,000.00

Ed

[mockingbird812]

Thanks Ed. Did not see that. Looks like a deal was made after the auction.

[1969z280]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PBT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The new owner should be disappointed &amp; will be very disappointed when the truth comes about this car! </div></div>

Lynn:

What's the truth about the car? Ed

[hubleyman]

After reading through the thread a few times I only see a picture of trim tag that shows X66 and read X66 in one of the descriptions as well.

Where is the L89 with the X11 tag that was changed to X22? Two different L89 cars being discussed or perhaps just a typo?

I am confused.......

[RPOLS3]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: hubleyman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">After reading through the thread a few times I only see a picture of trim tag that shows X66 and read X66 in one of the descriptions as well.

Where is the L89 with the X11 tag that was changed to X22? Two different L89 cars being discussed or perhaps just a typo?

I am confused....... </div></div>

I thought the same thing - X11/X22/X66?? - I am not a Camaro guy so much - thought it was just me......

[Stefano]

There was a well known Orange X11 convertible which was transformed into a documented numbers matching L89, a while back.

There was a Lemans Blue Black L89 Clone and a Silver L89 clone done here in Chicago, but the colors don't match this one.

The info is already getting butchered up, X11 to X22......when this Camaro has an X66 tag.

So what is the straight scoop?

[1969z280]

Stephano:

On page 2 of this thread there is a picture of the X66 Trim Tag for this car. Ed

[Stefano]

That is what I meant, thanks.

[Lynn]

Has anyone figured out if we are still talking about the car in the original post on this thread? Mecum car with the X66 tag that sold. That is a good tag on that car. Has someone mixed up the stories?

[the427king]

&quot;Chuck I have removed your statement because of the mix up between you talking about X11-X22, this car being X66 and it being second hand info. If your friend wants to post and straighten things out or if anyone has info that is clearer than what was presented then it can be posted&quot;....................Thanks Charlie,agree 100% If anyone cares they can do thier own research.

[the427king]

&quot;mix up between you talking about X11-X22&quot;........Clone car in question is a x22 lemans blue,white houndstooth w white top, very similar to this car but not it.

[John]

...So to get this clear... The L89 Blue camaro that this thread started talking about....

<span style="font-weight: bold">... Is NOT THE CAR THAT YOU SAY WAS CLONED..... Correct?</span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[camaromb]

The vehicle that started this thread, N593096 is beautiful but is a clone. It sold at the Dallas Mecum auction but was returned by the buyer because he learned it was not real. The car was also run through the Kissimmee Mecum auction and did not sell. The trim tag looks real and no Camaro expert could tell that the X66 was originally an X11. This car was built from a small block X11 car. The paperwork is all fabricated with incorrect dealer spelling, non-existent salesman from that time, etc. It just shows to what extent some will go to fake a rare car. The car is currently on Ebay, item # 221186730297, buyer beware.

[flyingn]

Reading this thread... I feel the line between real and clone just got more muddier. If this car has &quot;all&quot; the right paperwork and it sure 'passes' the experts for the most part here.. It is darn close to being a real car.. It is a beauty

[flyingn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> DY LS6 (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=DA0912-136024&amp;entryRow=118&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=113) hi bid @ $130,000. </div></div>


Okay guys. Is this one real or not? I am in love.. wow

[PBT]

NOT REAL. Clone.

[flyingn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PBT</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NOT REAL. Clone. </div></div>

The yellow LS6 aint real either?

[1969L78Nova]

No mention of any docs!

[weranc55]

He is not selling it for clone money. Says he has docs and claims #'s matching motor. Sounds like fraud and misrepresentation to me. Nowhere does he state it's a clone. It's bad for the hobby.

[John]

...so Here is the car being discussed.... now on ebay...

Blue 1969 camaro ....on Ebay (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/THE-BEST-69-AROUND-/221186730297?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&amp;_sacat=0&amp;_nkw=221186730297&amp;_rdc=1 &amp;forcev4exp=true)

...I tried to &quot;ask the seller a question&quot;.... but for some reason that option does not work.

... I believe the seller is a member here.... maybe he can clear things up <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

Is this the current owner?

real-muscle-1 (Member #5112)

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[flyingn]

its still a beautiful car.. If I hit the lottery Id buy it in a second and not be afraid to drive the crap out of it then

[Billohio]

If its the same car that was at mecum Kissimmee, the blocks a restamp with fake docs.

[PBT]

http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail...mp;startRow=101 (http://www.mecum.com/auctions/lot_detail.cfm?LOT_ID=FL0113-143427&amp;entryRow=103&amp;lottype=&amp;startRow=101)

Same car!

[Billohio]

What gets me is, after mecum dealt with it once they tried to sell it again. I have been to Kissimmee 4 or 5 years and its amazing how much fake stuff is there. Camaros with fake tags, restamps, wrong parts, and the first one I looked at this year was a Norwood car, fake tag z with a la block and the ford caution fan sticker!

[PeteLeathersac]

What's hard to understand too, is the seller really the same person as the buyer that started this old thread here?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/307797/1

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif
~ Pete

[camaromb]

So, after buying the re-bodied RS Copo real-muscle-1 stated in the old thread &quot;nobody else should go threw the problem...&quot;. I sent a message to the Ebay seller real-muscle-1 and informed him about the reality of the car he had for sale. His response was &quot;thank you&quot;. He had a real problem buying a Copo and finding out it was a re-body but he has no problem selling a known clone L89 for L89 money without disclosing the tag modification. Like musical chairs, no one is happy to be the one left standing, or out all their money. Just pass it on seems to be the motto for some of these dealers and auction houses. As always buyer beware.

[kwhizz]

Seems to be a L89 thingy..........