1970 GTO Judge

[BlackCherryLS6]

Looking for your guys thoughts on this Judge. Correctness, quality and what it's worth.? Thanks for help.

www.rayskillmanclassiccars.com/1970-Pontiac-Gto-Judge-Greenwoood-IN/vd/8009287 (http://www.rayskillmanclassiccars.com/1970-Pontiac-Gto-Judge-Greenwoood-IN/vd/8009287)

[Tracker1]

ORIGINAL VIN STAMPED BLOCK

careful, creative writing in action

[BlackCherryLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ORIGINAL VIN STAMPED BLOCK

careful, creative writing in action </div></div>

What do you think of the stamp. Does it look like a restamp? Any other thoughts about the car?

[Jim Ferron]

I think 'born with' is the term we like to hear...

There are a zillion 70 Judges out there...this is maybe the best color but is it the original color? Get the VIN and run a PHS at your own expense ..they are only photocopies of microfiche records..super easy to fudge.

I've seen some pretty nice Judges in the 50's...similar price I think to a 69 Z-28 in the same condition... maybe a few dollars more..

[BlackCherryLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jim Ferron</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think 'born with' is the term we like to hear...

There are a zillion 70 Judges out there...this is maybe the best color but is it the original color? Get the VIN and run a PHS at your own expense ..they are only photocopies of microfiche records..super easy to fudge.

I've seen some pretty nice Judges in the 50's...similar price I think to a 69 Z-28 in the same condition... maybe a few dollars more.. </div></div>

Here is a copy of the phs docs. It looks like it wasn't a orbit orange car to start with. Please double check me.
http://www.use.com/1970_GTO_Judge_dec4cee92a17bc673852#photo=55
http://www.use.com/1970_GTO_Judge_dec4cee92a17bc673852#photo=53
Thanks

[GTO_DON]

Dont know where Jim is going with that statement but its a real deal orbit orange car. Looks like a nice car to me with great docs. Trim tags dont lie. 06-06 code orbit orange. Nobody added any options and has original quarters. Only 3600 judges made. But i do agree that you cant pay for it until you see if all the hard to find pieces are in place. BTW Those records are from pontiac not PHS.. Pontiac blacked out the prices when they sent you the docs for free back in the 80's.

[BlackCherryLS6]

Here is a second one that I'm thinking about. Any ideas on which one is better? Not comparing prices just just correctness and documentation.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-G...df#ht_500wt_948 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-GTO-JUDGE-ORBIT-ORANGE-NUMBERS-MATCHING-RESTORED-4-SPEED-BUILDSHEET-ZCODE-ORIGINAL-CARB-/180969934559?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&amp;hash=item2a22a60edf #ht_500wt_948)

Any ideas of anybody close to this car that can inspect and knows Judges?

Thanks

[mockingbird812]

This guy sounds like a real wheeler dealer with all the lingo. With all of his experience he might want to use a real camera instead of his phone. Love the correct tires outside and the M&amp;S tire in the trunk. Not saying it is not worth looking into, but get some quality photos before you waste yours or someone elses time looking at it.

[1969z280]

I believe this Judge was at Mecum Indy in May.

[442w30]

Just buy this one and report back to us:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-GTO-...6#ht_565wt_1182 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-GTO-JUDGE-BLACK-CONVERTIBLE-ORIGINAL-MATCHING-s-SURVIVOR-BORN-MOTOR-/221121740630?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&amp;hash=item337be1ff56 #ht_565wt_1182)

[mockingbird812]

Nice!

[warpath]

There were 3 OO RA3 4sp Judges that came up in Mecum this year all in May.

One reported number match very nice sold for 70K
One nice driver, but no mention of originality sold for 48K
One reported number match, nice driver with few mods no sale at 57K

I don’t believe any of those three are the two you are looking at unless there have been some really recent changes to them.

The EBAY one was ended so maybe it sold.
Type of pictures make me cautious. You need more detailed/clearer pictures or go see it in person.

The other looks nice. The judging sheets in the picture shows it got silver at the 97 GTOAA.
Good – but 15 years ago. Would mean much more if it had been judged in the last few years.

Just based on the pictures, I see a belt hanging, steering box leaking; many parts/bolts that should be plated are Eastwood painted. No mention of expensive parts such as carb and dist. being original. Would guess older restoration.

At 80K, you are entering where some nice 70 RAIV HT Judges are selling for. If I was actually appraising just based on the pictures – $60 to 65K. (higher end if carb and dist. Is correct)



Brian

[olredalert]

----The black E-bay convert belongs to a member here......Bill S

[Mr70]

I know nothing about this particular GTO or it's owner,just thought someone here might be interested..

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/ctd/3270044363.html

[SS427]

There ya go David. Even close to you so you could look at it in person. Not a bad deal.

[69hurstSC]

Those are some steep prices on some RAM AIR III's.

[BlackCherryLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know nothing about this particular GTO or it's owner,just thought someone here might be interested..

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/ctd/3270044363.html </div></div>

If it had the original engine it would be a canidate. Still looking for a orbit orange numbers matching car!

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BlackCherryLS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know nothing about this particular GTO or it's owner,just thought someone here might be interested..

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nch/ctd/3270044363.html </div></div>

If it had the original engine it would be a canidate. Still looking for a orbit orange numbers matching car! </div></div>

I called on it last saturday, made a 22K offer which was accepted, got off the phone, transferred some money online into another bank account, called my brother to tell him I bought another car...called the guy back to get his e-mail address for a paypal deposit, he told me the car was gone for a &quot;full-price offer&quot;...in just minutes...should have done the paypal deposit over the phone...

c'est la vie, snooze ya lose. It was a real OO car.

[StealthBird]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I called on it last saturday, made a 22K offer which was accepted, got off the phone, transferred some money online into another bank account, called my brother to tell him I bought another car...called the guy back to get his e-mail address for a paypal deposit, he told me the car was gone for a &quot;full-price offer&quot;...in just minutes...should have done the paypal deposit over the phone...

c'est la vie, snooze ya lose. It was a real OO car. </div></div>

Sorry to hear you missed out on the deal. It bothers me when a seller agrees to an offer, then accepts a higher offer from someone waving more money around. I've read dozens of stories on the web where people have actually put down deposits, hooked up trailers, and traveled hundreds of miles, only to be told by the seller that someone came up with a better offer.

These guys would sell their own grandmother for the right price.

I'm not sure who is worse, a seller accepting a higher offer AFTER already agreeing to previous offer, or the buyer that is told the car is already sold, and they start waving more and more money around to screw over the first buyer.

I'm afraid these are typical American values nowadays. No integrity, no values, and to them the ends justifies the means. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif