Z28 Stripes - 69

[enio45]

Does anyone know what the factory process was for painting the Z28 camaro stripes. Some questions on my mind are...

Did they paint the panels off the car?
If they were on the car - was the fnt grill in place?
How was the cowl painted?

I'm trying to duplicate the overspray aspects and am curious of the process etc.

[Lynn]

http://www.camaros.org/forum/index.php?topic=4125.0

John was actually there.

[camaromb]

Ed,
I think the CRG report is incorrect on the dash/rear package tray blackout sequence. The top cowl area was painted stripe color in the areas that would be visible through the cowl panel prior to dash/rear package tray black paint.
The cowl panel looks to be striped off the car, with stripe color overspray frequently coming through the windshield squirter holes. The decklid/spoiler were striped together with a horizontal tape at the rear lower edge of the spoiler.
The hood/header panel were striped with a variety of sloppy wrap around edges. I don't think the grille was in place because the stripes look clean going under the header panel/behind the grille.

Mark

[enio45]

Ill post a few pics of my cowl panel and header panel later today to see what we think?

I appreciate the thoughts

[William]

Chevy did the front stripes; Fisher did the rear. That required the front sheetmetal to be in position. I have seen Z/28s with stripe color overspray on the grille reinforcement so the grille must have been installed.

There should never be any stripe color overspray on the washer nozzles or wiper linkage.

[camaromb]

The grille stiffener was certainly painted separately, you can see clamp lines and drips in the original paint on the stiffeners typically and the screws are not painted. My blue rs has very little blue on the top of the grille but the stiffener is completely blue. The stripe tape lines are very clean going under the header panel behind the grille. With the rs headlight squirters/hardware and other items that were installed after the grille was painted it should have been separate from the front end for ease of assembly later I would think.

[William]

The stiffener was painted body color off the car [it may have been on the grille] but was in place when the stripes were done. My 1st orange car was OE paint and there was a very slight mist of white paint on both sides. They just didn't quite tape it off properly.

[Lynn]

Was the wiper linkage black on all the cars? My car is black with white stripes, so I don't know about the other colors. I am assuming yes, because mine was painted before the ends were riveted on, and the paint doesn't look like the full gloss paint.

I will always defer to William on restoration practices, but... my wiper linkage has white over spray from the Z/28 stripes. Car was an original paint car, but we got it in 1975, so some things could have happened before then, like a touch up on one of the stripes.

I always thought the wiper linkage would look better all black and have debated whether to go that way or duplicate what I always thought was the factory white overspray.

On another note, I have seen a lot of discrepancies on stripe taping and placement. I am attaching some pics of my original cowl vent, which I believe is still original paint. Also included a pic of my wiper linkage with the white overspray. If you look at the tape job on the cowl vent, you will see the taper followed the contour very well up the sides of the vents, but missed pretty badly on the rear.

[William]

The cowl vent panel was painted & striped off the car as per the CRG Assembly Process. Note the white over spray on the underside at front of the panel, impossible if were painted on the car.

The wiper linkage overspray could have occurred during final assembly at Chevy or as you stated during a repair.

[enio45]

Here are the pics of my cowl panel and the header panel - special note below

...related to the original stripes, we already painted the top surfaces so the orig stripes are not
visible.....but the overspray is - we kept that to determine how the paint was applied to the stripes.

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-699-942-69z_paint_examples_001.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-699-943-69z_paint_examples_008.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-699-945-69z_paint_examples_007.jpg

[camaromb]

Here are some pics of the header front/grille stripe, definitely striped without the grille in place. The other pic shows the grille reinforcement against the grille. The reinforcement and headlight doors match the header paint and were painted separately. The grille has very little paint on the top and is a slightly different shade.

[firstgenaddict]

The dash top paint is after the stripe white out.
Here are some pics of a Black 45k mile Vintage Legend Certified Survivor.
http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/51002/2120821060059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

Look at the trailing edge of the ridge of seam sealer it has no black paint on it...
http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/2687/2643239010059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

This is perhaps the best showing of the process as the edge of the cowl opening is white however the there is black in the cowl well.

http://inlinethumb21.webshots.com/49172/2833243910059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/52103/2631553250059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

[m22mike]

Wow, those are some cool as built detail shots

[firstgenaddict]

Mike it was an honor to be able to take so many photos and have unrestricted access to the car for 5 years... you don't realize how great a resource it is until it is no longer.... thank God I have thousands of photos... I literally set the cam on the highest res and set it for burst and held it under the dash at all angles and under the car at every angle and let it rattle off hundreds I am so glad I did...

I have every possible stripe end shot...

How bout this factory tape job on the 51k mile Lemans Blue one I am currently restoring...
Check out the lower left hand side of the photo... anyone remember John saying the cowl grilles were hung by hooks? think they used new ones everytime? Well when they reused the hooks paint built up and eventually could remain on one of the panels...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-254-1004-lemansblue_69z_pass_stripe_wipergrille_detail.jpg

Lets see which colors chipped off...hmmm garnet red, rally green, daytona yellow, cortez silver...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-254-1005-cowlgrille_hook_hanging_detail.jpg

[69PACE]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firstgenaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Check out the lower left hand side of the photo... anyone remember John saying the cowl grilles were hung by hooks? think they used new ones everytime? Well when they reused the hooks paint built up and eventually could remain on one of the panels...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-254-1004-lemansblue_69z_pass_stripe_wipergrille_detail.jpg

Lets see which colors chipped off...hmmm garnet red, rally green, daytona yellow, cortez silver...

http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/09/full-254-1005-cowlgrille_hook_hanging_detail.jpg

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Wow very nice paint snot from the hooks you got there. Psychedelic too. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[bergy]

Great shot! I know that at the St. Louis assembly plant we would take the racks out in batches and burn them off occassionally. Then whack them with a hammer &amp; brush off the excess. Really high tech!

[SS427]

These are the details that are priceless when restoring a car to exacting standards. Thanks for sharing!!! Awesome shots.

[robber6910]

Always the snot run to give the car a lil extra character. You gotta leave it on there somehow and don't remove it.

[firstgenaddict]

I bought another wiper grille to paint with the car and kept the one above to go along with the car for posterity.

[firstgenaddict]

Here are some more stripe details from the Black 04C 45k mile Survivor

EXACTLY 6 inches from the edge.

http://inlinethumb02.webshots.com/51969/2905263900059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/51055/2584713960059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/52255/2074102580059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb48.webshots.com/47983/2326634680059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb59.webshots.com/4858/2639173500059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb13.webshots.com/51276/2802712810059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb49.webshots.com/50800/2630775870059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb16.webshots.com/50319/2829997340059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/49675/2228110080059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

http://inlinethumb63.webshots.com/38846/2906167790059464720S600x600Q85.jpg

[70 copo]

The workers would spend months peeling the paint off of the hooks. They would roll the paint up in balls and while keeping it in the pants pocket polish it with finger action then add more layers of paint until they had a piece they were happy with.

Ear rings and Pendants were popular. This pendant has all the colors from model year 1963. Source: Chevrolet Final Assembly-Norwood Ohio

[mockingbird812]

That is a cool piece of history! Thanks!

[Edgemontvillage]

James, the Z is still available as a reference resource whenever the need arises.

[Lynn]

Got my 10 10 Z painted. Getting ready to stripe it... I think.

Always thought the space between the large stripe and the small stripe was 1/4 inch. Also thought the outer stripe was 1/4.

Looked at my old notes from before I sanded off the rear deck lid and my notes say both the space and the outer stripe were 9/32.

Looked at my original never painted cowl vent panel (pics posted on page one) and it looks like the space is 9/32.
The outer stripe is closer to 5/16.

I placed a piece of 1/4 inch tape in the space, and it clearly does not cover completely. Even more gaps on the outer stripe.

Here is my problem: I don't think anyone sells 9/32 fine line tape. What are you guys laying out stripes with?

Thanks for any help.

Just for fun attached a pic of my wife's reflection in the hood. Spent a lot of time getting this thing really straight in preparation for the black paint. That reflection is in uncut unpolished black lacquer. Should shine up pretty nicely.

[Lynn]

Nevermind.

Emily Latella 1978.

Lynn Bilodeau 2012.

[enio45]

i believe the best way to get the stripes correct is using the stencil and stripe kit - exact to the factory!

[m22mike]

Lynn
I looked at Eddies stripe kit last year and I think it included the correct width tape, I just do not remember.
However, I have done a couple 69 stripes and I being the cheap ass that I am I laid them out by hand. I made some tracings off OE cars. On OE paint cars I do believe the outside stripe is .250&quot; and the inside body color on is close ot 9/32&quot; as seen on original cars.
As far as the tape for the 9/32 stripe. I used 3/16 and 3/32 butted together and then covered the seam with a piece of 1/8.
Here is a picture I jacked from Team Camaro.
Good luck
Mike


http://www.yenko.net/attachments/usergals/2012/11/full-2974-1510-mvc_892f.jpg

[Lynn]

Yeah, I figured out the stencil kit was the way to go. That is why I said nevermind.

Anyway, I have a stencil kit around her somewhere. Need to decide if I am following the way GM
TRIED to do it on my car, or if I want to go the way they actually DID do it.

There were some things the factory did that I just couldn't bring myself to replicate.

Because my car is black, I re-leaded the seams between the roof and quarters.
Looked like a scene from a surfer movie before I started.

Also, the bottom half inch of the tail panel had no topcoat.
Both doors were twisted and the bottom rear stuck out from the rocker.

So, need to decide how much to replicate the sloppy assy on the stripes.

Thanks for the help guys.

[enio45]

i believe u can call stencil and stripe guys and they will sell the correct tape only. i bought some additional tape with my kit for some additional hood stripes.

[olredalert]

----The stencil guy in Chicago (Chris Ps old partner) definetly has stencils that clearly do the corners correctly along with everything other measurement. Ive bought several sets and they were great. They still allowed for personal adjustments like overspray here and there, if you want that.......Bill S