True Survivor

[talwell]

I have seen quite a few 69 Camaro survivor cars - never one this clean. This is a museum piece.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro...=item2a2c7021f0 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro-Unrestored-14-475-Original-Miles-all-matching-numbers-/181134172656?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a2c7021f0 )

[69LM1]

Sweet wheel covers.....

RichPern

[69LM1]

Here's another one, but with an earlier repaint. Still cool to see though:

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/news/Barnfind+1969+Camaro+patina+perfect/8300103/story.html

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/news/cms/binary/8300139.jpg

Wish there were more pics.

RichPern

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Take note!!!!! Survivor cars DO NOT have fluffed engines! This means no engine repaint! SUPER NICE!

[69SSZL1]

Sorry, I disagree, not what it seems:
From the ad:

"The paint is the only part of the Camaro that has been brought up to date. All the body panels are original to the car and there are no signs of rust or major body repairs."

Door gaps are horrible,and doors are not aligned. I bet the quarters were replaced-no body filler at quarter to rear pan. And top of quarter does not line up with top of door on drivers side.
Lots of stains in the interior and faded carpet.
Grill does not fit flush.
Body has surface rust under the trunk lid and in the trunk. No photos of underneath.

Now compare this original to mine. Look at my detail photos, especially under the car:
original (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Original-Paint-Camaro-RS-SS-w-427-ZL-1-engine-Incredible-Unrestored-/221222150335?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3381de20bf )

[restore-z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69LM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here's another one, but with an earlier repaint. Still cool to see though:

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/news/Barnfind+1969+Camaro+patina+perfect/8300103/story.html

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/news/cms/binary/8300139.jpg

Wish there were more pics.

RichPern </div></div>

Hey RIch, the owner is a good friend of mine and this car was just featured in last months Muscle Car Review magazine. The pic you posted was from our recent car show and this car had tons of attention. We just went cruising last night and his car runs great.

This link has more pics and more of the history of the car, all original driveline and fully documented.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=211267

Sonny

[Woj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: talwell</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have seen quite a few 69 Camaro survivor cars - never one this clean. This is a museum piece.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro...=item2a2c7021f0 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/69-Camaro-Unrestored-14-475-Original-Miles-all-matching-numbers-/181134172656?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&amp;hash=item2a2c7021f0 ) </div></div>

It is no wonder the 69 camaro is still so popular today. The car looks great in just about any color, wheel/tire and engine combo. GM got this one right. Even for a 307 car, this one is a beauty (no bias here LOL).

Phil Woj

[68l30]

That one sexy looking Camaro! Just so clean and pure looking in it's most basic form. No balls or brawn, but, I'd take it over a bitched up big block all day long. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif


BIG

[flyingn]

weird optioned too. Wire covers, buckets with column shift..

[69SSZL1]

Brake pedal is worn smooth on right side. 14,0000 miles? maybe 114,000 miles. Ad says it has been repainted-not a Survivor or an original.

[442w30]

I saw one exactly like that - same blue with two-tone white - in Nashville around 1994. It was an SS 350!

[1969l78]

How can you call a car a survivor that's had paint work or repaint?

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969l78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How can you call a car a survivor that's had paint work or repaint? </div></div>

Here's part of the Bloomington Survivor definition below.
Yes it's w/ regard to Corvettes but Dave Burroughs and Bloomington is where the whole Survivor thing began so pretty much the authority on the subject regardless of vehicle.

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~ Pete

SURVIVOR®
As the name implies, Corvettes that have never been restored have ‘survived’ intentional or unintentional loss of original markings, paint or components. Corvettes remaining over 50% unrestored or unmodified may qualify for this award if they remain in a condition that would serve well as an historic guide for others who want to restore a Corvette of that vintage and type. This award is designed to recognize those Corvettes that are “Worn in, but not worn out.” A Survivor Corvette is significantly unrestored, unrepaired, or unmodified and useful as a historic reference. It is a Corvette who in the best interest of research should not be restored or improved. Again, as with Certification, the cars are judged against a factory standard and not against one another. The technical portion of the judging is eliminated and instead the Corvettes must complete a 40 mile road test under their own power in an established time frame. Survivors must pass at least 3 of the 4 categories of exterior, interior, engine/compartment and chassis...

[whitetop]

I remember so many original paint, rust free, original owner muscle cars in 1975-1977 era-when i first really started to get into cars.

My 7th grade English teacher owned a gold, black interior 69 307 or 327 ?? approx 1977 that was just mint. She was the original owner. Original paint, No rust. 100% stock She really took care of it. Funny, back then I thought the car was old when it was just 7-8 years old but when you are 14-15 years old that is an old car.

She sold it a year or so later to a HS kid who totaled it couple month later.

Another older classmate bought a original owner, original paint 1970 Olds 442 convertible with the twin scooped hood approx 1978. The car was trashed within a year and sold and later wrecked as well.

Both of these cars were bought by guys who were not really into cars but just used them as a &quot;tool&quot; to get girls/look cool.

So many of these cars original cars were trashed by thoughtless owners...what a shame looking back.

[TimG]

I think that original paint is very important, but I also think that a car can be a survivor and have a repaint. Bloomington states that three of the four areas being original qualify a car as Survivor. Benchmark (Bloomington and Survivor) requires four of four areas.

I've owned two Bloomington Survivor cars that were very original and both had repaints. The remainder of the cars were very original. I would call both nice, unrestored cars.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I remember so many original paint, rust free, original owner muscle cars in 1975-1977 era-when i first really started to get into cars.

My 7th grade English teacher owned a gold, black interior 69 307 or 327 ?? approx 1977 that was just mint. She was the original owner. Original paint, No rust. 100% stock She really took care of it. Funny, back then I thought the car was old when it was just 7-8 years old but when you are 14-15 years old that is an old car.

She sold it a year or so later to a HS kid who totaled it couple month later.

Another older classmate bought a original owner, original paint 1970 Olds 442 convertible with the twin scooped hood approx 1978. The car was trashed within a year and sold and later wrecked as well.

Both of these cars were bought by guys who were not really into cars but just used them as a &quot;tool&quot; to get girls/look cool.

So many of these cars original cars were trashed by thoughtless owners...what a shame looking back.


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We had a guy in the next town, late '70s/early 80's, who totaled at least 5 super birds/daytonas. He also hacked a white one up and made it into a convertible.

[GaryC]

My wifes pop pop had a 69 Impala 4 door 327 with blue interior, original paint Glacier Blue with the white painted top. I aquired it in the 90's low milage but every body panel had a dent in it from going in and out of the garage, well, the doors didn't anyway. I should have kept that car but a friend needed a vehicle and it was an extra car hanging around we didn't need, so I sold it to him. Haven't seen it since. My daughter learned to drive at 15 in that car.

[Norwood]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69SSZL1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sorry, I disagree, not what it seems:
From the ad:

&quot;The paint is the only part of the Camaro that has been brought up to date. All the body panels are original to the car and there are no signs of rust or major body repairs.&quot;

Door gaps are horrible,and doors are not aligned. I bet the quarters were replaced-no body filler at quarter to rear pan. And top of quarter does not line up with top of door on drivers side.
Lots of stains in the interior and faded carpet.
Grill does not fit flush.
Body has surface rust under the trunk lid and in the trunk. No photos of underneath.

Now compare this original to mine. Look at my detail photos, especially under the car:
original (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Original-Paint-Camaro-RS-SS-w-427-ZL-1-engine-Incredible-Unrestored-/221222150335?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&amp;hash=item3381de20bf ) </div></div>


AGREE 100 %

[camaromb]

I think this is certainly a low mile car and I don't think the quarters have been replaced. The trunk rubber is original with inspection mark, trunk paint and undercoat on the insides of the quarters look original. The steering wheel with nice pebble grain is like new, the underhood looks very untouched including engine paint, firewall paint, inspection marks, plating finishes, brake lines, etc. The hard plastic blue interior parts vaporize over time leaving bleached looking areas; seatbacks, kickpanels, seat hinge covers, etc. The interior looks very original, low mile to me. The pedal wear is probably evident of many, many shorts trips. Minor surface rust in trunk and mold spots on the interior are expected in a non-California environment over so many years.

It looks like a very nice original 1969 Camaro, imperfect alignment and all.

[Steve Shauger]

Mark, I was biting my tongue at some of the critical comments towards this car. Although I havent personally inspected the car it looks like a very nice original low mileag car. camaromb description is spot on. Regarding the paint work, that really is impossible to determine from pics. Definitely a neat car....

[Xplantdad]

Survivor cars show how &quot;imperfect&quot; the build process really was!

[Woj]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Survivor cars show how &quot;imperfect&quot; the build process really was! </div></div>

Bruce,

That is certainly the truth. The quality of the initial builds compared to today's cars pales in comparison. The survivors I have would certainly have gone back to the dealer for &quot;tidying up&quot;. I remember my brother getting a brand new '75 Caprice. I went with him to the dealer to pick it up. A month later he took it back to the dealer with 52 discepancies. Most of which were never corrected. A nice car, but poor by today's standards.

This Camaro is still very cool.

Phil Woj

[ORIGLS6]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Woj</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Xplantdad</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Survivor cars show how &quot;imperfect&quot; the build process really was! </div></div>

Bruce,

That is certainly the truth. The quality of the initial builds compared to today's cars pales in comparison. The survivors I have would certainly have gone back to the dealer for &quot;tidying up&quot;.

This Camaro is still very cool.

Phil Woj </div></div>


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[sixtnine]

I live in Asheville and my father purchased a 1969 Impala new from the same dealership. His Impala had non power asist drum brakes and it was a bear to get that car stopped. That in my opinion could be why the brake pedal is worn. That dealership has been gone for many, many years. I agree those blue interior pieces are prone to fading, etc. Nice Camaro for sure.