Street Outlaws on Discovery....

[markinnaples]

Anyone catch the show Street Outlaws?

[PxTx]

I look past the Discovery influenced script drama and like the meat and potatoes of the show.

I think they would be better off to stop trying to make it seem like the cops are ever actually in persuit of them, and admit the filming is done on close/permitted areas. There is just too much light and camera angles for anyone to believe it is really being done like a real street race.

[Craig_Maiorana]

There was an article in Car Craft about them last month.. It even says right there that discovery or the producer wouldn't do the show unless they had a garunteed place to run with no police involvement ... Neat little article... It breaks down every ones diplacements and gives a little bit of background on each car and racer

[markinnaples]

I'll have to look up that article. I like the racing footage, and although some of the characters are goofy and I could do without (Asian, primarily), I don't mind watching it.

[resto4u]

fake just like every other reality show. entertainment only

[jimbo]

That Nova hooks on the street.
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[x77-69z28]

THAT is horsepower!

[markinnaples]

Interesting episode last night, with the regular guys racing the Hot Rod Drag Week guys.

[earntaz]

That is the difference between a drag strip &quot;sticky&quot; starting line and regular pavement ... very entertaining, but LE has to know something is going on with all the lights and cameras ... TAZ

[markinnaples]

Yeah, I would imagine that because Discovery is involved, they have obtained some privately owned road somewhere that they can run without regard to getting busted.

[Damien]

The word is that there are some old airfields that they mainly use.
It's so far removed from street racing, as I'm sure there are lots on here who will tell us, but that's &quot;reality&quot; tv for you. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif

[Xplantdad]

Exactly <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[markinnaples]

Just like any other reality show, it's not, or the vast majority is not.

Either way, I like to see the cars and racing; sure beats 98% of the rest of the carp on TV.

[PxTx]

So maybe the &quot;List&quot; isn't run on the streets but how about the VW?

[Craig_Maiorana]

I really think Farmtruck and Azn could have their own show where they go out and beat up on expensive cars.... not to mention they really just look like they are having a good old time .... all the time

[markinnaples]

Not a bad show last night. Is anyone familiar with the guys they ran from Cal? On the prior episode when they ran the guys from Drag Week, I recognized some of those cars and driver names.

[markinnaples]

I have to say, this show has actually gotten much better over time.

Last night's episode was really pretty good. And it was interesting to see Jeff Lutz's '57 in the mix last week.

[Dave Rifkin]

Stupid question; why don't they just race at the track? They can still place bets and, in my opinion, half of these cars aren't &quot;street cars&quot; anymore. If they were they'd drive the things to their race location.

[markinnaples]

Yeah, I know they race on a runway or closed highway and they've lost that &quot;outlaw&quot; part of the show, but the cars are real and the racing is real. I don't care about the drama about getting caught racing on the street as these cars are fast, and actually running them on the street would be extremely stupid. But, I like the competition and the heads-up fastest car wins type of racing you don't find on drag strips anymore. Bracket racing is just boring and removes the competitiveness IMHO..

[BJCHEV396]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMOKIN_JOKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really think Farmtruck and Azn could have their own show where they go out and beat up on expensive cars.... not to mention they really just look like they are having a good old time .... all the time </div></div>Their races are big set-ups.Two guys followed by a camera crew ask you to race for money.Then you have to sign a waiver with the producer and ''wait the lighting wasn't right can you please run that race again please?''

[69z28302]

The Crow was sure Hooking last night!!

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69z28302</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Crow was sure Hooking last night!! </div></div>


Yes it was.. That thing is quick!

[Supergas990]

Not a fan of the drama, but the cars are awfully impressive.

Blair

[Craig_Maiorana]

So how do you guys feel about the NHRA making threats to pull all their NHRA license's for anyone who participates on the show? Seems to me that if it's just a TV show then maybe the NHRA is taking things a bit far. Opinions please

[Fast67VelleN2O]

NHRA is just upset that Street Outlaws has higher ratings than they do.

[cook_dw]

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">Im sure this has already been thought of...</span></span>

NHRA would have more interest if they would pair up with NMCA or the like and have that as a part of the venue. I would watch that over Top Fuel and Funny car any day of the week. Or just have a limited weight, limited tire size (275r or 10.5) and make them run stock type suspension and anything else goes type of class. To me, Top Fuel and Funny car are kinda boring to watch on tv..

[Craig_Maiorana]

Both good points ... I enjoy NMCA and PSCA races a whole lot more than NHRA these days. For 100 bucks my wife and I got into the street car super nats in vegas for 2 days ... one day at an NHRA event would have been 120. I think the NHRA really needs to pick and choose their battles on this issue. They do not own these cars so I don't know how they can tell people what they can and can't do with their own vehicles. I agree with the ratings end of it also. NHRA has become stagnant and overpriced and I think as long as they keep this campaign up I will continue taking my money elsewhere.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMOKIN_JOKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So how do you guys feel about the NHRA making threats to pull all their NHRA license's for anyone who participates on the show? Seems to me that if it's just a TV show then maybe the NHRA is taking things a bit far. Opinions please </div></div>

NHRA: Stepping on our own ***** since 1970.

Seriously, could these people get any more out of touch with reality? This level of stupid almost has to be on purpose.

[BJCHEV396]

The boys on the show love the attention from the NHRA!Improves the show's ratings and pumps up their reputation as so called ''street outlaw''racers.

[RPOL88]

Heads up. Run what ya brung!!! That's how it should be. Tom.

[BJCHEV396]

Heard that it's also a trade rights issue with NHRA.....some of the cars on the show have NHRA stickers on their rides....so NHRA supposidly is claiming it's a trade mark thing.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BJCHEV396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Heard that it's also a trade rights issue with NHRA.....some of the cars on the show have NHRA stickers on their rides....so NHRA supposidly is claiming it's a trade mark thing. </div></div>

They sold the stickers. Not sure how trademark would apply, but I'm not a lawyer. Incindentally, there's a new rumor going around that NHRA is attempting to &quot;sell&quot; the Pro classes to an entertainment company. Wonder if the two are related somehow. Funny how NHRA is concerned now all of a sudden when SO has been on the air for three years. For that matter, I wonder how this supposed sale relates to the federal lawsuit challenging NHRA's non - profit status that was filed a couple of years back. Any attorneys in the house? NJSteve?

[Pulnaway]

What this is about is the fact that the NHRA does not support street racing. When you get your NHRA license's you are agreeing not to race on the street. The show ( and I like the show! )supports street racing.

[Supergas990]

I think I'd use the term &quot;street racing&quot; loosely. I like the show and the cars are real, but the show is as staged and drama filled as every other &quot;reality&quot; show out there.

Funny how their race night looks like controlled setting? Especially when they set up 10-20 fully rigged trailers, lights, a perfectly empty street, etc... (maybe I'm too synical <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif)

I'll still watch it for the cars though. IMO - NHRA should find a way to ride the coat tails of this show rather than just pick a fight.

Blair

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Supergas990</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think I'd use the term &quot;street racing&quot; loosely. I like the show and the cars are real, but the show is as staged and drama filled as every other &quot;reality&quot; show out there.

</div></div>

Unfortunately it still promotes street racing.

[markinnaples]

The SO guys are very active posters on yellowbullet.com and readily admit that they race under controlled conditions and with police approval. Yes, the drama is annoying and BS, but I do enjoy watching the races as I do believe that they are trying to win each and every round, regardless as to who's running. I understand the NHRA not wanting to promote street racing, but just say that and move along; they don't need to be the policemen of drag racing.

Regarding the &quot;fakeness&quot; of the outlaw part of their street racing, they correlated it to fake b00bs, and who doesn't like fake b00bs? I thought that was pretty funny.

[Pulnaway]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Supergas990</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think I'd use the term &quot;street racing&quot; loosely. I like the show and the cars are real, but the show is as staged and drama filled as every other &quot;reality&quot; show out there.

</div></div>

Unfortunately it still promotes street racing. </div></div>

Exactly....You can color it however you want but at the end of the day it promotes racing on the street. Add to that the NHRA stickers and cars/drivers no# on the windshields of a few of the cars and you have the NHRA's undivided attention.

[old5.0]

NHRA is in it to get paid. What have they done over the past thirty or forty years to fulfill this sacred mission of theirs? What have they done to support grassroots racers, encourage young people to enter the hobby, or substantively change the public's perception of drag racing?

They've stood by and done nothing to prevent rampant track closures, insisted on sticking with a ridiculously complicated and antiquated ruleset, jacked up fees, removed voting rights from their membership, played favorites with whatever manufacturer was writing the checks at any given time... the list of things they've done to drive people as far from the racetrack as they could get could go on forever and ultimately, the general public's perception of drag racing hasn't changed a bit since 1951, ranging from neutral at best to negative. They can pay lip service to &quot;getting kids off the street&quot;, but it's as meaningless as the IRS saying they exist to &quot;serve&quot; taxpayers.

And now this, a debacle that any first year business student could have told them was going to turn into a PR nightmare. All of the clowns running the show in Glendora need to be deposited in the nearest unemployment line before the NHRA becomes terminal, if it isn't already there.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NHRA is in it to get paid. What have they done over the past thirty or forty years to fulfill this sacred mission of theirs? What have they done to support grassroots racers, encourage young people to enter the hobby, or substantively change the public's perception of drag racing?</div></div>

I'm not supporting NHRA's action against the SO participants, but I would have to object a bit on the statement above - the Jr Dragster class has been the fastest (and within the last 4-5 years, the only) growing class within the NHRA - us included. So, while they have not really catered to the Jr's, they have created the class, set (sometimes 'silly') rules, organized 2 National Jr Dragster Events each year, and recently have allowed a handful of Jr's to run during NHRA National events. So, on that front, they have done well. They continue to struggle with converting Jr racers to big cars, but that is true in just about every sport with a 'feeder group'.

I do like the SO show, I watch it with my sons, and I point out their controlled environment and that it is against the law to street race - we enjoy the competitive nature of the participants, the smack talk and the calling out process. I'll take SO over the new 'Karting' show any day....

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NHRA is in it to get paid. What have they done over the past thirty or forty years to fulfill this sacred mission of theirs? What have they done to support grassroots racers, encourage young people to enter the hobby, or substantively change the public's perception of drag racing?</div></div>

I'm not supporting NHRA's action against the SO participants, but I would have to object a bit on the statement above - the Jr Dragster class has been the fastest (and within the last 4-5 years, the only) growing class within the NHRA - us included. So, while they have not really catered to the Jr's, they have created the class, set (sometimes 'silly') rules, organized 2 National Jr Dragster Events each year, and recently have allowed a handful of Jr's to run during NHRA National events. So, on that front, they have done well. They continue to struggle with converting Jr racers to big cars, but that is true in just about every sport with a 'feeder group'.

I do like the SO show, I watch it with my sons, and I point out their controlled environment and that it is against the law to street race - we enjoy the competitive nature of the participants, the smack talk and the calling out process. I'll take SO over the new 'Karting' show any day.... </div></div>

That's true, they do support the juniors and I should have acknowledged that. My problem, though, is what happens after you graduate out of the Jr. ranks.

I had a discussion about this on another forum sometime back, but it's relevant here, as well. NHRA is declining in relevance, and they've done it to themselves simply because they thought they were the only game in town. Back in the 80's, you could see it coming. They were already marginalizing the grass roots racers that put them on the map in favor of the Pro classes, but then the NMCA popped up and, concurrently, as the 5.0 Mustang got rolling, you began seeing small shootout series like the 5.0 vs. GN races, and finally a 5.0-only sanctioning body, the AMRA, was formed in about '89 or '90. The impetus behind this was easy to figure out; I could by new Mustang, H/C/I swap and a blower and have a driveable 9-second street car. On top of that, I could head to an AMRA race and participate in some good old-fashioned, heads-up, run-what-ya-brung drag racing.

Or, I could go to NHRA and spend a bunch of money on a 78 Sedan deVille to run V/Stock because that particular car hadn't been hit with a massive horsepower factor yet and I might stand a fighting chance of winning a hundred bucks for my trouble. That's an easy decision in my book.

It would have been so simple for the NHRA to provide a home for all the young people who were part of the emerging heads-up revolution back then. Revive a dead class designation like Factory Experimental or Modified Production for the late-models, and another for the vintage musclecar guys who didn't want to be restricted by the existing Stock-S/S rules. No factors, no weight breaks, no BS; whoever hits the stripe first wins. Everything from the Pure Stock drags to big tire grudge style racing could have existed wholly under the NHRA banner (as opposed to just racing at NHRA sanctioned tracks), which would have provided all drag racers with truly unified front that might have been more effective in actually accomplishing goals like getting kids off the street and keeping tracks open. But that isn't what they did, and the landscape of drag racing has been completely altered because of it. NHRA thought they <span style="font-style: italic">owned</span> drag racing. But they were wrong, and their arrogance is exactly why they're on ESPN 47 getting preempted by professional women's curling.

NHRA is killing itself slowly, a self-imposed death by a thousand cuts. Ten thousand stupid little decisions adding up to a massive problem (not coincidentally, unless something has changed, don't they refuse to acknowledge that your Deuce even exists?). I suppose my biggest problem is that in my mind, I can't square NHRA's actions with incompetence, not completely. Which is why I said they're in it to get paid. They want to squeeze as much money as possible out of as many people as possible for as long as possible. I just don't see any other reasonable explanation for their actions, although maybe I'm reading too much into it and they really are as shortsighted as they appear. Ultimately, I suspect this entire mess with SO has less to do with street racing and more to do with (as someone on another forum so aptly put it) the fact that a primered Nova from Oklahoma has twice as many Facebook likes as they do.

[Craig_Maiorana]

well said Old 5.0 ... Their fees are also so inflated all the way around that whether racing at an event or even just attending will break your bank. I don't know how some of these grass roots guys can afford to do it even at a weekend racer level. I just think the suits that run the NHRA have lost touch with what Wally Parks started it as. I get the taking the racers off of the streets, but what they do on the show is not like what you see at say the Compton street races where the sidelines are filled with people just waiting to be run down by an out of control car. Despite the &quot;staged&quot; aspect or the fact that it is reality TV show I think the NHRA has overstepped their boundaries on this one. When you have guys like Lutz saying go ahead pull my license it shows that people really are fed up with their money machine mentality.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

&quot;78 Sedan deVille to run V/Stock.... their arrogance is exactly why they're on ESPN 47 getting preempted by professional women's curling....&quot;

That's funny! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">NHRA is in it to get paid. What have they done over the past thirty or forty years to fulfill this sacred mission of theirs? What have they done to support grassroots racers, encourage young people to enter the hobby, or substantively change the public's perception of drag racing?</div></div>

I'm not supporting NHRA's action against the SO participants, but I would have to object a bit on the statement above - the Jr Dragster class has been the fastest (and within the last 4-5 years, the only) growing class within the NHRA - us included. So, while they have not really catered to the Jr's, they have created the class, set (sometimes 'silly') rules, organized 2 National Jr Dragster Events each year, and recently have allowed a handful of Jr's to run during NHRA National events. So, on that front, they have done well. They continue to struggle with converting Jr racers to big cars, but that is true in just about every sport with a 'feeder group'.

I do like the SO show, I watch it with my sons, and I point out their controlled environment and that it is against the law to street race - we enjoy the competitive nature of the participants, the smack talk and the calling out process. I'll take SO over the new 'Karting' show any day.... </div></div>

That's true, they do support the juniors and I should have acknowledged that. My problem, though, is what happens after you graduate out of the Jr. ranks.

I had a discussion about this on another forum sometime back, but it's relevant here, as well. NHRA is declining in relevance, and they've done it to themselves simply because they thought they were the only game in town. Back in the 80's, you could see it coming. They were already marginalizing the grass roots racers that put them on the map in favor of the Pro classes, but then the NMCA popped up and, concurrently, as the 5.0 Mustang got rolling, you began seeing small shootout series like the 5.0 vs. GN races, and finally a 5.0-only sanctioning body, the AMRA, was formed in about '89 or '90. The impetus behind this was easy to figure out; I could by new Mustang, H/C/I swap and a blower and have a driveable 9-second street car. On top of that, I could head to an AMRA race and participate in some good old-fashioned, heads-up, run-what-ya-brung drag racing.

Or, I could go to NHRA and spend a bunch of money on a 78 Sedan deVille to run V/Stock because that particular car hadn't been hit with a massive horsepower factor yet and I might stand a fighting chance of winning a hundred bucks for my trouble. That's an easy decision in my book.

It would have been so simple for the NHRA to provide a home for all the young people who were part of the emerging heads-up revolution back then. Revive a dead class designation like Factory Experimental or Modified Production for the late-models, and another for the vintage musclecar guys who didn't want to be restricted by the existing Stock-S/S rules. No factors, no weight breaks, no BS; whoever hits the stripe first wins. Everything from the Pure Stock drags to big tire grudge style racing could have existed wholly under the NHRA banner (as opposed to just racing at NHRA sanctioned tracks), which would have provided all drag racers with truly unified front that might have been more effective in actually accomplishing goals like getting kids off the street and keeping tracks open. But that isn't what they did, and the landscape of drag racing has been completely altered because of it. NHRA thought they <span style="font-style: italic">owned</span> drag racing. But they were wrong, and their arrogance is exactly why they're on ESPN 47 getting preempted by professional women's curling.

NHRA is killing itself slowly, a self-imposed death by a thousand cuts. Ten thousand stupid little decisions adding up to a massive problem (not coincidentally, unless something has changed, don't they refuse to acknowledge that your Deuce even exists?). I suppose my biggest problem is that in my mind, I can't square NHRA's actions with incompetence, not completely. Which is why I said they're in it to get paid. They want to squeeze as much money as possible out of as many people as possible for as long as possible. I just don't see any other reasonable explanation for their actions, although maybe I'm reading too much into it and they really are as shortsighted as they appear. Ultimately, I suspect this entire mess with SO has less to do with street racing and more to do with (as someone on another forum so aptly put it) the fact that a primered Nova from Oklahoma has twice as many Facebook likes as they do.
</div></div>

Couldnt have said it better. Well done.

[Craig_Maiorana]

This is exactly the intelligent reply I was looking for. I wanted to pick the brains of pure dirt under the fingernail car guys. I agree whole heartedly with this. The NHRA is pushing itself into extinction and the fact that real working class car guys see it as well makes me feel a lot better. My own interest has been dissipating over the past few years. I used to never miss a race both on TV and out at Pomona. I have now neglected to go to the past 2 because I just don't feel that my &quot;Entertainment Dollar&quot; is being taken seriously. It's no longer run on 1320' It's 60 bucks at the gate and now on sunday at Pomona they are done before 4 pm because of all of the lousy neighbors that live around the track. So is it worth it for me to spend 120.00 for 1 day for my wife and I to go and watch some hum drum pro cars run or is it a better idea to go to Fontana and watch real cars run for 10 to 20 bucks or got to the street car super nats in vegas for 100 for 2 of us for 2 days and watch real cars and exciting runs. I'd rather spend my money on the real cars than watch these cookie cutters fade away into obscurity.

[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;78 Sedan deVille to run V/Stock.... their arrogance is exactly why they're on ESPN 47 getting preempted by professional women's curling....&quot;

That's funny! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif</div></div>

Now that's funny!

But the bottom line here is glorifying street racing -- yes, most of us have done it in some manner. But some, including youngin's that are watching this get the impression it is OK to go out and street bash -- we know that's wrong. In the past here in Texas if you were caught and convicted of a &quot;contest of speed&quot; you could loose your ride!

The local track here is San Antonio Raceway (very nice facility) and it appears it is in the process of closing the door. There were many, including myself who enjoyed the racing and &quot;test &amp; tune&quot; sessions in a legal and controlled environment.

IMHO all sanctioning bodies (NHRA. IHRA, etc.) need to make racing and test &amp; tune sessions a bit more affordable -- just that will give the smart street racers a place to do their thing.

TAZ

[Craig_Maiorana]

Not only that. These sanctioning bodies need to give back to these tracks. Help them keep their gates open. Out here in California they are trying to resurrect the old brothers raceway on terminal island. A run what you brung track for the people and by the people.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SMOKIN_JOKER</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Not only that. These sanctioning bodies need to give back to these tracks. Help them keep their gates open. Out here in California they are trying to resurrect the old brothers raceway on terminal island. A run what you brung track for the people and by the people. </div></div>

The problem is that NHRA is doing exactly the opposite. I understand they've been threatening to pull the sanction from tracks that allow outlaw and grudge style racing. Doesn't quite fit with the &quot;NHRA wants to stop street racing&quot; meme, but goes well with my &quot;NHRA wants their cut of the action&quot; theory. Sending threatening letters to Murillo\Lutz\Andrade, et al, isn't new behavior on the part of the NHRA, but it blew up in their face because these guys decided to go public.

Anyway, I'm not condoning street racing; it is dangerous and that's why I don't do it anymore. My outrage has less to do with street racing and more to do with the NHRA's hypocrisy. That said, I do enjoy the show and I'm looking forward to next week. I've been jonesing to see Chief's Goat and Murillo's notch get down for a while now.

[Pulnaway]

Murillo won't be giving up his NHRA license. He has a show coming out soon called The house of grudge. He needs the NHRA tracks to make his show happen.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pulnaway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Murillo won't be giving up his NHRA license. He has a show coming out soon called The house of grudge. He needs the NHRA tracks to make his show happen.
</div></div>

You're exactly right, he won't give it up. He isn't going to start a war with the NHRA because he's smart and he knows he'll lose. All he needed to do was what he did: post the letter on Facebook, sit on the fence and let the public react. It's worked fairly well so far, since the opinion of the racing community seems to be overwhelmingly against the NHRA. With the pending lawsuit (which has been eerily silent since it was filed), rumors of some sort of sale and tracks being threatened privately, my guess is that there's a lot more going on behind the scenes in Glendora than we're aware of and this little public feud with a popular television show is the last thing they wanted. I've known Murillo by rep for 20 or more years, and this wouldn't the be first time he's played the long game with a sanctioning body.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Lawsuit meaning the challenge to NHRA's 501c3 Not for Profit status?

BTW, Tom Compton (CEO of NHRA) reported annual total compensation in the 2012 Form 990 of $709K! This comp for an organization with total revenue of just under $100M, it's no wonder they are a bit protective of the golden goose.

[earntaz]

They keep that up and NHRA WILL be history ...

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Lawsuit meaning the challenge to NHRA's 501c3 Not for Profit status?

BTW, Tom Compton (CEO of NHRA) reported annual total compensation in the 2012 Form 990 of $709K! This comp for an organization with total revenue of just under $100M, it's no wonder they are a bit protective of the golden goose. </div></div>

Yep, that's it. It was filed four years ago and I haven't heard a peep since, so I assume it's still working its way through the system. I honestly hadn't thought about it in some time, but between the SO thing and rumor that came out a few days ago about Compton trying to sell half the organization to an entertainment company, my curiosity has been renewed.

Incindentally, it looks like Tom's paychecks have taken a cut. When the suit was filed in 2011, I would swear it was mentioned that his compensation was closer to 800 grand.

[EZ Nova]

Funny, I've been a member of Yellowbullet since day 1 on an invite over dinner with Monty BEFORE there was even a site. Now that site is huge and I think the biggest car/motorsports site on the web at this time.

YES I have talked with Chief, Shawn, Dom, &quot;daddy&quot; Dave, Doc, GO TEE BO ad Monza on YB. There seem to be just normal, down to earth type of guys with the typical hang ups that we all have or go through. They have said the ROADS are closed, there is safety and fire on scene, BUT the races are full on racing, not staged. YOU WIN, you WIN!

What the Nazi Hot Rod Association is going after them for is WAY outside the mandate of the NHRA lic and conduct mandates are. The LIC is to run on THERE track. You can run IHRA and they accept the NHRA lic of most cases. BUT funny, NHRA will not usually honour the IHRA lic.

I see track LEAVING the NHRA and either going &quot;outlaw&quot; or IHRA for a while. With the ever rising cost and fees Associated with NHRA, I'm surprised the IHRA isn't jumping on this as a way to win over racers and tracks.

There is NOTHING on the NHRA lic that says you agree NOT to street race. People are saying that and that street racing is illegial, therefore they do not want to condone it. Well guess what, how many of the NHRA lic holding racers have DUI's, Fraud, stealing, sex charges and been CONVICTED! Yet they still have lic to race. It's a joke that NHRA is either:

A. playing this up to get MORE recognition for both the show and themselves to help there numbers,

B. Seriously butt-hurt that these &quot;country bumpkins&quot; from Oklahoma are feeding it to the GRAND Nazi-HRA in there own backyard, AT THERE OWN GAME.

Maybe all these up-coming show should just BOYCOTT these tracks to, and go race solely on IHRA or outlaw tracks.

[earntaz]

Me thinks Plan B. The rumor is NHRA has put the screws to a number of tracks with NHRAs &quot;my way or the highway&quot; attitude and way of doing business. The rumor mill here in San Antonio surrounding the San Antonio Raceway is just an example ... lately, that deal has hushed up big time. Haven't heard a word as to the &quot;receivership&quot; situation clouding that great racetrack's future.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

For 2013 NHRA had $ 99.2M of revenue, $ 98M of expenses for a $1.3M gain. Comptons compensation was $869k
For 2012 NHRA had $ 98.3M of revenue, $ 97M of expenses for a $1.2M gain. Comptons compensation was $709k
For 2011 NHRA had $ 98.0M of revenue, $101M of expenses for a $3.4M loss. Comptons compensation was $745k
For 2010 NHRA had $104.0M of revenue, $104M of expenses for a $ 12k loss. Comptons compensation was $712k
For 2009 NHRA had $107.7M of revenue, $108M of expenses for a $600k loss. Comptons compensation was $701k
For 2008 NHRA had $122.5M of revenue, $121M of expenses for a $1.9M gain. Comptons compensation was $772k
For 2007 NHRA had $121.5M of revenue, $116M of expenses for a $5.6M gain. Comptons compensation was $745k

So, over the last 7 years this organization has experienced a $22.3M (18%) decrease in revenue, an $18M decrease (15%) in expenses, but the CEO compensation has generally increased. You can see the compensation moving around with revenue and gain/loss, but in many corporations - the CEO would be on the way out with this type of leadership, but the recession provides a safe context!

[earntaz]

Next -- bailout!

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For 2013 NHRA had $ 99.2M of revenue, $ 98M of expenses for a $1.3M gain. Comptons compensation was $869k
For 2012 NHRA had $ 98.3M of revenue, $ 97M of expenses for a $1.2M gain. Comptons compensation was $709k
For 2011 NHRA had $ 98.0M of revenue, $101M of expenses for a $3.4M loss. Comptons compensation was $745k
For 2010 NHRA had $104.0M of revenue, $104M of expenses for a $ 12k loss. Comptons compensation was $712k
For 2009 NHRA had $107.7M of revenue, $108M of expenses for a $600k loss. Comptons compensation was $701k
For 2008 NHRA had $122.5M of revenue, $121M of expenses for a $1.9M gain. Comptons compensation was $772k
For 2007 NHRA had $121.5M of revenue, $116M of expenses for a $5.6M gain. Comptons compensation was $745k

So, over the last 7 years this organization has experienced a $22.3M (18%) decrease in revenue, an $18M decrease (15%) in expenses, but the CEO compensation has generally increased. You can see the compensation moving around with revenue and gain/loss, but in many corporations - the CEO would be on the way out with this type of leadership, but the recession provides a safe context! </div></div>

Ah, I see. Thanks for posting that, Marlin. That's interesting. Based on your knowledge of the NHRA, what is your opinion of the complaint? No big deal, or are people in Glendora sweating this? Further, what might be the connection, if any, between this complaint and the rumors of NHRA's attempt to sell the Pro classes (which, it should be pointed out, are unverified as of now).

Perhaps Compton &amp; Company are looking to abandon this ship before the music stops. I'm not much of a conspiracy theorist, but the timing of the letters to the SO guys coming out at almost exactly the same time the sale rumor hits are curious. Maybe just coincidence, but odd timing.

[Mayhem]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Me thinks Plan B. The rumor is NHRA has put the screws to a number of tracks with NHRAs &quot;my way or the highway&quot; attitude and way of doing business. The rumor mill here in San Antonio surrounding the San Antonio Raceway is just an example ... lately, that deal has hushed up big time. Haven't heard a word as to the &quot;receivership&quot; situation clouding that great racetrack's future. </div></div>

I thought all the discussion with SAR was involving IHRA? When did NHRA become involved?
That track REALLY needs to be reopened. We are stuck with Little River or Houston, and I aint driving to Houston!

[earntaz]

Jeff -- the track switched to NHRA sometime in 2009 ... then at a later date (don't know exactly when) they switched to IHRA. Later, the rumor was they were going back to NHRA and that is when the train seemed to jump the track. There appears to be a be a crapper full of legal goings on now -- haven't heard anything for about a month. The last word was that the folks holding the paper tried to sell the place -- no one bit.

I agree with you -- it is a nice facility (Less than 10 miles from my home) and needs to be opened back up regardless who the sanctioning body is.

TAZ

[earntaz]

Here is a tragic result of street racing ...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/27/los...tcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/27/los-angeles-police-identify-suspect-in-deadly-street-race-hit-and-run/?intcmp=latestnews)

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Here is a tragic result of street racing ...

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/27/los...tcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/27/los-angeles-police-identify-suspect-in-deadly-street-race-hit-and-run/?intcmp=latestnews) </div></div>

You have idiots like that everywhere. The majority of REAL and safety oriented street races happen between 1-4 AM on a deserted road with none of the spectators in front of the starting line.

[earntaz]

Matt -- copy that!!!

[Craig_Maiorana]

I think this situation is a combination of morons at work... Idiots who insist on standing where they don't belong and a 2oo hp driver in 500 hp car.

[markjohnson]

Judging by the rear tire, that 'Stang appears to be a rather serious piece of equipment.

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Judging by the rear tire, that 'Stang appears to be a rather serious piece of equipment. </div></div>

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Was</span></span> a rather serious piece of equipment

[earntaz]

One of the drivers turned himself in ...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/01/us/california-street-racing-deaths/index.html

[SBR]

Just curious, what do you the fastest cars on the list would run in the quarter mile?

[mrays]

I happened to catch a rerun of the show last week where they were racing some guys from Chicago. One of the cars from Chicago was Bobby D'Andrea's purple IROC Camaro. It is a big tire car with a 632 on NOS and I saw it run mid 7's at Joliet several years ago at a NMCA event. He was racing a second gen RS Camaro that was supposed to be the fastest of the cars run by the Street Outlaws guys. I'm guessing the top cars would run at least mid 7's at the track.

[SBR]

I saw that episode and they mentioned that the pro mod chevy II was a 6 second car. I figured that was a little exaggerating for TV. 7s is crazy fast especially putting that kind of car on the street.

[markinnaples]

Anyone catch the season finale (although there is a new show next week which appears to be more of behind the scenes type of deal) last night?

I thought it was great. SPOILER ALERT IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN IT.



The top three fastest SO guys got beat by Kye Kelly from Missippi in his 3rd gen Camaro. Only Dave gave him a really close race, although maybe if Chief's car didn't wheelie so much that race might have been a lot closer.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I saw that episode and they mentioned that the pro mod chevy II was a 6 second car. I figured that was a little exaggerating for TV. 7s is crazy fast especially putting that kind of car on the street. </div></div>

Don't know about the Nova, but Murillo's notch is a 6 second car. Makes somewhere in the neighborhood of 2400 horsepower to the tires. Too much car for the street, though, as you said. Last night he put half a car on Chief before the 60 but couldn't keep it hooked.

Anyway, it was a great season finale, and I loved seeing Murillo in action on the street. I realize that most here don't pay attention to Fox bodies, but that black coupe is a rolling piece of history and it was cool to see it doing what it was made to do rather sitting and gathering dust in the back of somebodies shop. Good show.

[SBR]

It was a good show and was very happy with the outcome. The SO guys are a little too cocky for my tastes. There's always someone out there whose faster.

[earntaz]

The SO guys are a little too cocky for my tastes....

Fits right in with this type of reality show ...

[cook_dw]

Looks like John Andrade Jr. (The Cutty) got a new powerplant.. LS turbo.

The Cutty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCCoSvu_pRA#t=18)

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks like John Andrade Jr. (The Cutty) got a new powerplant.. LS turbo.

The Cutty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCCoSvu_pRA#t=18) </div></div>

Heard that awhile back. Also switched to big tires. He ought to be a serious player next season. That Cutlass, Chief's GTO and Murillo's notch are my three favorite cars that have appeared on the show.

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That Cutlass, Chief's GTO and Murillo's notch are my three favorite cars that have appeared on the show. </div></div>

I agree. I also like Monza's 2nd gen.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
That Cutlass, Chief's GTO and Murillo's notch are my three favorite cars that have appeared on the show. </div></div>

I agree. I also like Monza's 2nd gen. </div></div>

Yeah, I like that Camaro, too. The wheels, the stance, everything about it looks right. Seems to run pretty good, too. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[Pulnaway]

The Murder Nova just went a 4.60 at 184mph in the 8th on a 275 drag radial.

[old5.0]

^^^^^ That's flat out moving on a 275.

[old5.0]

R.I.P. Louise.

[markinnaples]

New season started last night. Not sure about running that one Pro Mod on the street, but he lost anyway. Not the best episode, but still not too bad.

[KenMaisano]

My Favorite show. I know its not complety real but I Love it!

Ken Maisano

[VintageMusclecar]

The Crow was totaled last night.

http://bangshift.com/bangshift1320/destr...gh-speed-wreck/ (http://bangshift.com/bangshift1320/destroyed-big-chief-justin-shearers-1972-pontiac-lemans-the-crow-mangled-in-high-speed-wreck/)

[Postsedan]

Oh No! That is one of my favorite shows.....seems everyone is OK <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
I hope the show continues.

Dan

[SBR]

I find the show entertaining too, the problem is that these guys are not running 12 second cars. When you run 7 second missiles down a street, you are greatly increasing your odds of having something like this happening. I hope that Justin gets well soon.

[markinnaples]

The Crow got tagged in the rear quarter while running that &quot;Chucky&quot; guy in his notch Fox Body. Chief crushed two vertebrae in his back, fractured his collar bone, bruised a lung, etc. Pretty nasty wreck that occurred during filming so I'm sure that will be on next season. The Crow looks like it won't be recoverable, and that's a bummer since he's owned that Lemans since he was 14 or so.

[markinnaples]

Pretty good episode last night. Daddy Dave's Nova looked great and ran like a rocket; too bad he rolled it. Hopefully he's building a new one soon.

[VintageMusclecar]

Goliath 2 is well on its way to completion now.

[RichSchmidt]

He wasn't running Chuck from the show. The car was named Chuck,and it was a red Mustang from Detroit. I think the owner's name was Kevin.

[markinnaples]

Yeah, I know the car is named, &quot;Chucky&quot; not the driver. That &quot;Chucky&quot; car has been on the show before and raced someone from OK.