? on 1967 Camaro old drag car.

[67rs/ss]

I own a 67 camaro I purchased back in 05 and had fully restored between 07-09.I purchased it because I wanted to restore a 67 camaro. I picked this car for it's options, rs/ss 396/325,deluxe interior,bolero red black top,headrest bucket seats.The car had lakewood traction bars, driveshaft loop,manual choke in the dash.
A 68 12 bolt BV code 4:10 with 5 leaf springs carpet removed, rear battery.The seats had all been removed but stored inside,except driver seat,
Ok so here's the question a few months ago I was cleaning engine compartments on this car and my other 67 unrestored BB and noticed my hand was a little harder to get between the firewall of the restored car. When I took measurements the motor was an inch closer to the firewall. But for the life of me I can't see where the difference is. The engine and motor stands all measure 1 inch closer to firewall. Any ideas?

Tony

[plumL78]

You must have small block frame stands.( motor stands) Look at the part that hangs off the back of the frame on each car and you will see the difference. Big block stands don't hang over as far

[67rs/ss]

No that's not it the motor stands is one of the first things I checked to verify
it being a bb car, but I double checked and looks just like the other bb car. I
also check the sb car I see what you were referring to that they hang over a bit more.
Heck I even check wheel base 108". It's like everything attached to the frame rails
has been moved back.

[plumL78]

Got any pics. of the mount

[SS427]

It sounds like this car was raced at one time. Any chance they cheated and moved the engine/trans back to locate some weight rearwards? Seems like a lot of work for only an inch which I doubt would make much difference. How is the trans mount/crossmember? Does the driveshaft look shortened?

[69 Post Sedan]

Phil Brewer's blue L89 1968 Nova that raced pure stock class. They installed SB engine frame mounts for just that reason Rick, to get the engine back a little bit for better weight transfer.

Kurt

[PeteLeathersac]

Differences at the subframe mountings could create this too.
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[67rs/ss]

Yes it was definitely raced at one time. The car came from up north, I have a registration
for East Providence RI.
I will measure the drive shafts tomorrow.

Tony

[67rs/ss]

Here's a pic of the motor stand.

[plumL78]

So does your L78 car have a special paint code.

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: plumL78</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So does your L78 car have a special paint code. </div></div>it's a 4n car.

[67rs/ss]

This car is a 4N car.
But yes my L78 has a O-O paint code dark green metallic.
I have not had a chance to measure the the drive shaft yet hope
hopefully I can do it this weekend.

[luzl78]

Sorry Kerry, just noticed that you were asking about his other big block.

[jannes_z-28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Differences at the subframe mountings could create this too.
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But then the wheelbase would be 1 inch shorter.

CRG info on engine mounts:
http://www.camaros.org/engine.shtml#EngineMounting

[PeteLeathersac]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jannes_z-28</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Differences at the subframe mountings could create this too.
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But then the wheelbase would be 1 inch shorter.

CRG info on engine mounts:
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Yep and worth checking too!
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[plumL78]

a stock 67 BB drive shaft is 50 1/4 50 3/8

[67rs/ss]

Ok just measured and the driveshaft is 51&quot;. I measured from end of loop
to end of loop. So center hole to center hole about 50&quot; Then I measured
the other car the same way and it measured 52&quot;
I have a 67 camaro subframe in storage I will get out and do some measuring
and check it against this car.

[al8apex]

I remember speaking with Al Maynard in the 70's and he moved the engine back on his &quot;stock&quot; drag Camaro (I think it was a 67). Apparently it was &quot;allowed&quot; in the &quot;stock&quot; class or he was cheating and didn't get caught ... he mentioned slotting the engine/transmission mounts to move it back

He also said the entire front end was acid dipped, sub frame, suspension and all ... all the weight he lost he put in the rockers right in front of the rear wheels in lead ...

[olredalert]

----That would be Al, alright! I miss him dearly......Bill S

[RichSchmidt]

If you swap the frame stands from side to side it sets the engine back 1&quot;. So know you know.

[DW31S]

Not surprised to hear that on a car that was raced---especially if it was a stocker. We used to &quot;stagger&quot; the front wheels, too. When you are searching for 1/100s of a second, every little bit helps! It ain't cheatin' if you don't get caught!!! Stocker guys are a breed of their own.

[Jack_Tar]

One of the old crusty Master Chiefs that would come on to our ships in the Navy to inspect us prier to deployment told us as we were correcting some discrepancies &quot;If your not cheating, your not trying&quot;.

[67rs/ss]

Well it's been bad weather the past two weeks and have not had a chance to check measurements but I was able to pull out some parts that were on the car when I purchased. Has anyone seen a drive shaft loop like this one. Also the traction bars I'm sure there lakewood but from what period the bump stop looks to be of the early style.What do you guys think?