1964 GTO Documentation

[ds1]

I have a GTO that my father and I bought ten years ago. He just retired and started restoring it. We know the original owner. He does not have any paperwork on the car. I also know 3 previous owners of the car and have been told that there were at least two more owners we have not found or spoke with. The last PA inspection was 1976. With all that said I never worried about the car being a real GTO, but when my father sent for the PHS documentation he received a letter back saying that 1964 GTO's built in Baltimore and Kansas can not be documented because they were under the direction of Chevrolet. I have read some crazy things on here about cars not being recognized even with TONS of documentation. We have no plans to sell the car and I know it is the real deal. Just want to hear any thoughts on this. Thanks

[marxjunk]

PHS..its 60 bux, they will decode and send a copy of the billing invoice..no doubts no guesses..uses GM paper work


Pontiac Historical Services

http://www.phs-online.com/

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ds1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> but when my father sent for the PHS documentation he received a letter back saying that 1964 GTO's built in Baltimore and Kansas can not be documented because they were under the direction of Chevrolet. </div></div>

Huh-wha? Please post that letter.

[ds1]

We did that. They have nothing on 1964 cars built in Baltimore and Kansas because they were under Chevrolet direction. Our car is a Baltimore car. We have a 64 GTO convertible that we did get the PHS documentation. There documentation is not 100 percent correct. They said our car had options we know it did not have. We have 12 GTO's and know them well. I just wanted to hear thoughts on a car we know is real but can not document. I have read crazy things on this site about cars that there is no doubt are the real thing but the owners are told they are not actual cars.

[ds1]

Pontiac Historical Services can not document 1964 GTO's only built in Baltimore and Kansas. All other cars and years can be documented. We have PHS documentation on our 64 GTO convertible, 65 iris mist convertible, 67 GTO Baltimore built convertible and a 67 plum mist GTO convertible we sold to the Volo Museum. Just putting out there that not all cars can be documented.

[ds1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: marxjunk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">PHS..its 60 bux, they will decode and send a copy of the billing invoice..no doubts no guesses..uses GM paper work


Pontiac Historical Services
This should be clear for those who did not know
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[ds1]

We know the original owner of the car. The documentation would have been good but there is NO plans to sell the car. This is the first muscle car my dad had ever saw when he was 14 in 1964. It is very rough but we have fixed the worst cars people would not even use for parts cars.

[ds1]

Spoke with my father today and his 64 GTO convertible was built in Baltimore and PHS documented it but added that they could not tell us where it was shipped to. So he has his vins, build dates, and his paperwork for the convertible ready to get in touch with PHS and try to get to the bottom of why they can not or will not give us the records on the car.

[marxjunk]

wow..thats nuts never heard of the chevrolet control thing....

I have a friend that had som 64 KC cars PHS'd..im remeber seeing some..i think...but 20 years ago..i know once in awhile, they cant find records..but nuts for the form letter

[ds1]

We built the 64 convertible in 1991. And got the PHS on it. The 65 Iris Mist convertible, the 67 Plum Mist convertible and my uncles Tyrol blue 67 convertible were all built in Baltimore, closest to us in the Middle of Pennsylvania, all have the PHS and is only 64 and those 2 plants. The two 67's were both built on the same day at the end of December 7 cars apart. My father and uncle built it together to sell. The never sell anything but my cousin died of juvenile diabetes and my aunt was so upset she left my uncle with all the bills. A previous owner of the car called and told them it was for sale. Dad had the idea to build and sell to help my uncle get his mind off of things, help him pay bills and people always ask what our cars are worth and his answer was what ever someone is willing to pay. The big issue for us to keep the car was that is an auto and they like 4 speeds. When done the took it to Carlisle and sold it in less than 4 hours to the Volo museum who had it appraised at $60k and had a No Nonsense price of $55k on it and sold it in 23 days. They mage out well having $12k in the car with the $3k purchase price, the most we had paid for a car at the time. Anyhow after all that rambling we just want to get to the bottom of the PHS turn down.

[Tommy Nolen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ds1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Pontiac Historical Services can not document 1964 GTO's only built in Baltimore and Kansas. <span style="font-weight: bold">All other cars and years can be documented</span>. We have PHS documentation on our 64 GTO convertible, 65 iris mist convertible, 67 GTO Baltimore built convertible and a 67 plum mist GTO convertible we sold to the Volo Museum. Just putting out there that not all cars can be documented. </div></div>

PHS can not document earlier than 1961 and some of the very early '61's can not be documented. My '61 Ventura is a late Nov car and they were able to document it

[Tracker1]

NEVER KNEW THIS - THANKS FOR POSTING. TRULY WEIRD.




Pontiac Historical Services
This should be clear for those who did not know
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[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ds1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a GTO that my father and I bought ten years ago. He just retired and started restoring it. We know the original owner. He does not have any paperwork on the car. I also know 3 previous owners of the car and have been told that there were at least two more owners we have not found or spoke with. The last PA inspection was 1976. With all that said I never worried about the car being a real GTO, but when my father sent for the PHS documentation he received a letter back saying that 1964 GTO's built in Baltimore and Kansas can not be documented because they were under the direction of Chevrolet. I have read some crazy things on here about cars not being recognized even with TONS of documentation. We have no plans to sell the car and I know it is the real deal. Just want to hear any thoughts on this. Thanks </div></div>

Please send me an email at [email protected]

K

[ds1]

Well we called PHS today and found out they do have records on the car, but are not complete. They can tell us we have a factory built GTO. They had some very unhappy customers as they put because there records were not complete. So the stopped filling requests for those two plants. We paid the money and are going to get what they have. That is why we have the records for the 64 Baltimore built convertible. They stopped sometime after we built that car.

[olredalert]

----Ive always felt that Jim (PHS) will bend over backwards to help a Pontiac nut whenever possible......Bill S

[johnta1]

Can you post a pic of the cowl tag?

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[ds1]

We received the PHS paperwork for the car. A big thanks goes to Keith for his help decoding both our Baltimore cars. The only surprise we found was the car came with a tachometer, and how about an open rear, 3.23 standard gear. I will get a cowl tag pic of the white hardtop.

[ds1]

Ok here is the firewall tag for the white 64 hardtop. Had to resize it http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/02/full-13800-9607-100_1369.jpg