Big Brother is Watching

[Stefano]

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[cook_dw]

Just another reason why to buy an older vehicle and not buy new.

[GaryC]

And they are doing this for what reason?????

[jannes_z-28]

I know they have it in Volvo's too. A friend of mine hit a moose and when they called the emergency services they already knew about it and where it had happen. They had a brand new Volvo and it had a built in GPS system that reported to the emergency services when the airbags deployed.

Can be good if you're knocked out and unconscious. These guys were lucky and didn't get a scratch on them selves. But the car and the camper they were towing was totaled. The moose ended up in the back of the camper.

[acelr8]

If it only turned on in a potential medical situation that might be acceptable. Any data collected can and probably will be used against you.

[70 copo]

Why not just unhook the GPS/OnStar/SYNC lead that goes to the antenna? I would think the vehicle control system would then just search for contact the same way it would if you were driving a distance in a mountain tunnel.

[Hemicolt]

Don't forget, the insurance companies are offering the boxes to install in your car that monitor &quot;safe driving&quot;.
I believe in the long run the only thing Orwell will be wrong about will be that there will be no need for the Thought Police or the Ministry of Love. The majority will run down the control path with open arms.

[budnate]

a couple of years ago the Vette guys went crazy removing the on-star on the C-5 forum with the whole on-star backlash, they also were going after the black data boxes,

there was some work around then that the car didn't miss the connection and ran fine, guessing the big three took note and I bet the system's cant be disabled without killing the rig these days.

[Schonyenko2]

Up side: If you are in a crash with air bag deployment, it's automatically called into the 911 system. It gives location of the incident, and tries to contact the occupants. Relays real time info for responding emergency crews.

Down side: Potential for abuse/invasion of privacy/hacking into the system, etc.

Nothing more that I could really say without pushing the bounds of being political.

[70 copo]

I do not see it as political yet. The technology is there and no matter who is in power, and I do not want my insurance rates or my eligibility to get tags or plates eventually determined by someone snooping into how fast I drive on some country road.

Follow the money..If there is money to be made or saved by someone-trouble will be not too far behind.

I am reminded by a sign at the BMV that &quot;Driving is a privilege not a right&quot;, and a think there are many, many ways for the BMV or insurance companies to abuse data in real time now or in the future.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why not just unhook the GPS/OnStar/SYNC lead that goes to the antenna? I would think the vehicle control system would then just search for contact the same way it would if you were driving a distance in a mountain tunnel. </div></div> And can you imagine what the added cost to the motorist is for these systems. Small wonder most new vehicles are so expensive.

[BARRY]

the future cars ... in a school zone the car will only go the posted speed

[Hemicolt]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BARRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the future cars ... in a school zone the car will only go the posted speed
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In other countries you have to have your &quot;papers&quot; in order. Imagine if the day comes that we should only travel a certain radius of our home, and anything beyond that has to be approved. No &quot;papers&quot; will be necessary. The GPS will could set off a signal that you are outside your assigned area, and the car is shut off until it's found out what your doing there.

[COPO CARTEL]

Only positive remark that I have is ....hit/skips on pedestrians or personal property. My high school biology teacher was killed while riding his $5,000 high tech bike on a country road this past summer. The young girl that caused the fatality was only 1 mile from home and she hid the car in the garage. It took 5 months to bring her to justice. Sad ending to a life that had touched so many in this community

[70 copo]

A federal decision on car to car communications is due today.

[StealthBird]

A huge problem with these complex technologically advanced cars is that they are basically rolling computers now, with WiFi. With that comes the possibility of hacking.

And yes, hackers can actually control your car. More and more cars are using &quot;accident avoidance&quot;, which means your brake pedal is no longer a mechanical device, it's fly by wire, controlled by the onboard computer. Same goes for your steering if you have &quot;park assist&quot;, where your car can back into a parallel parking spot.

Here's what freaked out the automakers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqe6S6m73Zw

Ford and Toyota have spent millions trying to close potential holes in their software. All this after a couple of hackers showed the world how they could control your car from their laptop PC.

This will only get worse and worse, as now they're talking about devices that the police could use to disable your car, forcing it to apply its brakes. They say it's to prevent &quot;slow speed chases&quot;, but as with anything, this device will fall into the hands of bad people. I'd hate to think of some young female driver on a rural road somewhere having some creep driving up behind them, and using this device to stop her car.

Technology will be the end of us all.

[70 copo]

The decision is that cars will communicate with each other and the Feds will require the technology in all new vehicles at a future date.

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[COPO]

A glimpse of what is coming.

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/0...tcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/03/secret-plan-to-put-remote-kill-switch-in-every-european-car-revealed/?intcmp=latestnews)

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The decision is that cars will communicate with each other and the Feds will require the technology in all new vehicles at a future date.

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http://nation.time.com/2014/02/03/government-wants-cars-to-talk-to-each-other/ The good thing is accidents will be reduced(supposedly), The bad, what will the information be used for? Upping your insurance rates everytime the sensor detects a miscue? Or, will insurance no longer be needed since accidents will cease? Yea, right!

[twertsy]

Ridiculous. There is NO way to implement a secure protocol enabling vehicles from disparate manufacturers / countries to communicate (similar to wifi / bluetooth) yet still prevent unauthorized access. Even if it were possible, it would have to be static (not randomly generated) and you could access <span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="text-decoration: underline">any</span></span> vehicle's ECU and gain access to said protocol.

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schonyenko2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Up side: If you are in a crash with air bag deployment, it's automatically called into the 911 system. It gives location of the incident, and tries to contact the occupants. Relays real time info for responding emergency crews.

Down side: Potential for abuse/invasion of privacy/hacking into the system, etc.

Nothing more that I could really say without pushing the bounds of being political. </div></div>

Say more Ken.
Anything with this much potential for abuse will get abused.
For me, it is simple. I don't believe the good outweighs the bad.
Our 19 year old cannot to this day parallel park. He wasn't required to for the driver's test. I can't believe they give a driver's license to someone who cannot parallel park. Guess he is waiting for one with park assist.

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Follow the money.. </div></div>

GPS tracking devices are there to limit cost to insurers and manufacturers, nothing else. They market these as &quot;safety&quot; promoting devices so as to get an already not-paying-attention public to say, &quot;Yeah, whatever.&quot; Commercial airplanes have similar monitoring systems that track just about everything you can imagine: speed/overspeed, flap extension/overspeed, whether the airplane is on a 'stabilized' approach, etc., etc. This is used as a safety tool but the reality is that its main purpose is to assign blame/liability should an accident occur. Manufacturers want to limit payout, as do insurers, and that's the main motivator behind GPS and data tracking in vehicles.

Follow the money. Truer words were never spoken.

[GaryC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Follow the money.. </div></div>

GPS tracking devices are there to limit cost to insurers and manufacturers, nothing else. They market these as &quot;safety&quot; promoting devices so as to get an already not-paying-attention public to say, &quot;Yeah, whatever.&quot; Commercial airplanes have similar monitoring systems that track just about everything you can imagine: speed/overspeed, flap extension/overspeed, whether the airplane is on a 'stabilized' approach, etc., etc. This is used as a safety tool but the reality is that its main purpose is to assign blame/liability should an accident occur. Manufacturers want to limit payout, as do insurers, and that's the main motivator behind GPS and data tracking in vehicles.

Follow the money. Truer words were never spoken. </div></div>



So...maybe we need to find a way to limit the amount of money we give the insurance companies in premiums.

[StealthBird]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GaryC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So...maybe we need to find a way to limit the amount of money we give the insurance companies in premiums. </div></div>

How about not running 43 Geico commercials during every NASCAR or NFL event? Think that would lower premiums a bit?

The web tracks you, your SmartPhone tracks you, now your car can track you.

It's creepy that when I look for a product on Amazon, for the next 2 weeks every web site I visit, and some forums, have ads for that product. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

I used my SmartPhone to search for a Home Depot address. For the next two days, I saw Home Depot ads on my desktop PC. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

Yes, Big Brother is watching. And they're watching this thread. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif