ZINC IN OIL & ZINC ADDITIVES

[Dicky]

I remember reading a thread in one of the forums about
using oil w/zinc for camshaft protection, anyway my
searching for those posts have evaded me. Can someone
give me direction to where it is?

Thanks guys. Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

Just Google ZDDP oil additive. Lots of info.

[Dicky]

Yeah Frankk, I know about the stuff, I just wanted
some info on what people have used and their recommendations with use.
I thought I might refresh myself with the past posts.
What is a good oil and can or do you need to use the additive w/the oil?
Things like that.
Thanks Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[Mr. Chevy]

Dicky, Brad Penn is a very good oil w/lots of zinc in it.. I have used it for break inn and had very good results with it.. Valvoline VR1 racing oil also has zinc in it and can be bought at the big box auto parts stores...

Joe Gibbs racing oil is also a good oil with zinc additives in it as well.. I switched to that in my solid lifter motor and have had very good luck with it..

Hope this helps...

Rich

[Dicky]

Thanks Rich, I appreciate the help.

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[TDW]

Dicky, I've been using the Spectro oil for the last few years. It is formulated for the older engines. Some quick, informational reading here:

http://talkperformanceoil.com/2013/12/13/spectro-oils-rich-in-zddp-for-classic-cars/

[twertsy]

It's expensive but I've been using Royal Purple Break in oil (http://www.royalpurpleconsumer.com/products/royal-purple-break-in-oil/) and have had no issues.

[DWR]

Rotella also has Zinc. I use it in my L34 with stock flat tappet hyd cam.

[Supergas990]

I thought that they had taken much or most of the Zinc out of the Rotella?

Blair

[XXXGoldL34M20]

I buy the Zink additive from Edelbrock and throw it in with my Valvoline 20W-50.

I just order a few bottles from Summit so they are here ready for my Oil Changes for my classics.

[TDW]

I used to add the EOS from GM, until I discovered this. It may just be marketing ploy, but it does make sense.

There is no shortage of companies producing a little bottle of “stuff” to be poured in with an oil change. And yes, the additional ZDDP will bring the engine oil composition up to the desired level – but NEVER when it is most needed – at start up.

Spectro “batch blends” their oil. A vat of base oil is heated to 200 degrees, the zinc goes in, the solution is agitated and cooled. Next the solution is heated to 300 degrees, the phosphorus goes in, the solution is again agitated and cooled. Each bottle then receives a number representing the particular batch. Compare this process to “manifold blending” where the zinc and phosphorus are added as the ambient temperature oil flows through the assembly line pipe to the bottling operation.

So, what is the big deal about batch blending vs manifold blending or even pouring in your own after-market bottle of additive? Consider the perspective of a cold engine at start up. The oil is in the bottom of the oil pan, waiting for the oil pump to deliver. Start up creates the most wear on an engine due to the momentary lack of lubrication. Now, with Spectro “cooking” their ZDDP in during the manufacturing process, the additive package gets to the moving parts as quickly as possible. With manifold blending/pour it in yourself, those additives have settled to the very bottom of the oil pan and will not be truly emulsified in solution until the oil heats up. Definitely not an optimal solution!

[Salvatore]

You guys are way to technical. Listen to Rich......... Brad Penn, Rotella-T, Valvoline or Joe Gibbs. Any one of them is all you need to know. I use Brad Penn.

[vince]

I used brad penn religiously for years. Then for some unknown reason i thought i was safe <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif and started using castrol gtx, pennzoil etc for about 2 years. Something went wrong with my perfectly running motor i thought a lifter or rod problem but no its a wiped lobe off the cam. Cant be absolutely certain but we think its the oil. If your running solids run brad penn oil oil or something compareable.

[Salvatore]

solid lifter motors seem to be a little easier on cams Vince.

[TDW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are way to technical. Listen to Rich......... Brad Penn, Rotella-T, Valvoline or Joe Gibbs. Any one of them is all you need to know. I use Brad Penn. </div></div>

OK. Forget I made an effort to help. I'll slink back into my corner now and keep shut.

[GaryC]

I've been a big proponent of Valvoline for 40 years. All I can get in my local area is VR1... no Brad Penn or any others in any of the big box stores. Looks like special order stuff.

[olredalert]

----Gary,,,Go to any race motor builder and chances are he will have plenty of Brad Penn around and will sell you what you need. Thats what I did and do!.......Bill S

[Jim Ferron]

Just a note on ZDDP... It can/will wipe out a catalytic converter. This is why it's gone in todays oils [and the use of roller lifters in most modern vehicles] Rotella was listed for use in diesels [no catalytic] . I guess people were using in in gas powered stuff and wiping the cats out so they lowered the use of zinc in it...

One of the Valvoline VR Oils are for 'off road use' only...Figuring it would be used in cars without cats...higher concentration of zinc in that. I get mine from advance auto parts...'for off road use'

[GaryC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: olredalert</div><div class="ubbcode-body">----Gary,,,Go to any race motor builder and chances are he will have plenty of Brad Penn around and will sell you what you need. Thats what I did and do!.......Bill S </div></div>


Non of those guys in my local area anymore. All the speed/machine shops that use to be around are long gone from here. The one I use to go to in Dover moved his business back home to Havre De Grac Maryland a couple of years ago and I haven't found a replacement yet. I couldn't tell you what most people do but really hard core muscle car people don't show themselves much anymore so I don't have a clue who to trust.

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DWR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Rotella also has Zinc. I use it in my L34 with stock flat tappet hyd cam. </div></div>

Check the label. The zinc content is decreasing.

[m22mike]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TDW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys are way to technical. Listen to Rich......... Brad Penn, Rotella-T, Valvoline or Joe Gibbs. Any one of them is all you need to know. I use Brad Penn. </div></div>

OK. Forget I made an effort to help. I'll slink back into my corner now and keep shut. </div></div>

Actually thanks for that Tony, good info, also allot of wives tales out there about this subject, if you know what I mean... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[427.060]

I have been using Valvoline VR1 in my 427 since it as built.
James

[olredalert]

----Can you send oil thru any of the shippers (UPS, Fed-Ex, USPS)??? If so ill get you a case and ship it. If not Im just afraid you are going to have to move,,,,LOL!......Bill S

[hiperf406]

I've started using Amsoil Z Rod 10w30 in my LS6 &amp; Z28. Zddp content is adequate for the solid lifters.

lorne

[DWR]

Thanks for the info on the reduction of Zinc in Rotelle, looks like I will be changing to VR1.

[Salvatore]

Rotella-T is still good enough if you want to go that route.

[DWR]

Looks like I will stay with Rotella and save some cash, but I will keep a tab on it's decreasing Zinc content. Thanks

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Todays Rotella is low on zing because of the diesels running cats now.If you can still find some old API service CI-4 plus Rotella you'll be in good shape.I myself still have about one gal.left of this type of Rotella.I also been adding ZDDPlus additive in my 10W40 oil for a few years now.For my L34 Nova i've been using VR1 20W50 oil,but i think i'll start using VR1 in all three of my cars soon.

[Dicky]

Thanks to all of you for the info &amp; Tony, a most excellent response <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/worship.gif

thanks for taking the time to post.

Dicky <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[ban617]

Just go to Napa and have them order vv850 10w30 Valvoline off road oil with all the additives in it...

[Dicky]

Since I first posted this subject I have since started using Brad Penn

and had thought about adding ZDDP along with it.

However I came across this old dissertation by someone else

and thought I'd throw it out for you guys to critique.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=210532

DH <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif