First 2 firebirds in the news

[enio45]

and our own CHuck - 427King!


http://nypost.com/2014/04/17/holy-grail-of-muscle-cars-found-by-discovery-host-in-conn-garage/

[Dave Rifkin]

I wonder how they'll ruin these two cars..............lets see; put some airbag suspension, some 20's all around, save the "patina" and clear coat over the rusted paint...............get me a beer................

[markinnaples]

I think the show is funny and entertaining, but not a fan of their work.

[Charley Lillard]

hmmm. They were offered to me a couple years ago and the engine was still in at least one of them. Somewhere I have pics.

[Xplantdad]

Reality TV....nuff said.

[Charley Lillard]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11107-dsc_8336.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11108-dsc_8510.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11109-dsc_8511.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11110-dsc_8517.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11111-dsc_8565.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11112-dsc_8591.jpg
Cool cars... Not exactly missing forever though since # one was featured at a show and mentioned in the paper. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-23-11113-dsc_8488.jpg

[Postsedan]

Let me guess.....Chuck is wearing a Blue Cap with White Letters <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

Dan

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dave Rifkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder how they'll ruin these two cars..............lets see; put some airbag suspension, some 20's all around, save the &quot;patina&quot; and clear coat over the rusted paint...............get me a beer................ </div></div>

Spoiler Alert! Sneak Peek

[69hurstSC]

Greatest Muscle Car find? Perhaps an overstatement. This was a much bigger find. Semi Trailers (http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/collector-cars/muscle-cars/huge_muscle_car_stash_found)

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Greatest Muscle Car find? Perhaps an overstatement. This was a much bigger find. Semi Trailers (http://www.oldcarsweekly.com/collector-cars/muscle-cars/huge_muscle_car_stash_found) </div></div>

Agreed, the Fisette cache is the ultimate musclecar find so far...IMHO

[the427king]

Im beggining to think that some of you guys think the fights on &quot;Lizard lick towing&quot; are real.

[enio45]

they are staged???? really :-)

[Lynn]

Maybe it is just me, but I just never cared to place a huge premium on the &quot;first&quot; or &quot;last&quot; built of anything. It won't make it any more enjoyable to drive or even loon at. How many times you gonna go out in the garage or shop and take a peak at the 00001 vin? It is a novelty, but not much more to me.

As for Holy Grail of &quot;muscle cars&quot;???? Normally the first few off the line back then were very plain jane low performers. So, unless a 327 210 horse 67 Camaro now qualifies as a muscle cars, I think not.

[bashton]

I had a hard time making it through an episode of this show, and am still sad about the wasted 60 minutes of my life...

Seriously though, these cars are pretty neat but that show is an insult to my intelligence, and I am pretty easily entertained. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

And this is the Holy Grail of Muscle Cars? I guess that confirms my thoughts about the show and the cast. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[WILMASBOYL78]

I always thought Tibor's car was the Holy Grail <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

wilma

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-1121-11153-indiana_jones_holy_grail.jpg

[GTO_DON]

I don't get it! Chuck just bought these two cars on eBay a few months back off the same guy. They were no big deal then. Everybody had a chance and they were sold for around 25k I thought. Now they are the 2 biggest finds? Didn't Chuck have something to do with that 427 vette a while back with the show? Sounds like the show is getting stupid fast. No offense Chuck but I really don't see that big of a deal here. What's next for the show?

[1969l78]

I remember him having the vette.

[67rs/ss]

It's on TV right now. GMG sold them for 325k and is gonna restore for another 325k and has to complete in 60 days or lose 10k for every day late. This is just stupid.

[al8apex]

^

bingo!!!

[Dave Rifkin]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 67rs/ss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's on TV right now. GMG sold them for 325k and is gonna restore for another 325k and has to complete in 60 days or lose 10k for every day late. This is just stupid. </div></div>

$650k for two first generation Firebirds? I understand that, being the first two cars built, they hold some significance but, that's one hell of a premium to pay in my opinion.
I saw bits and pieces of the show last night and they kept saying they were doing a concourse restoration on the cars; then I see the subframe for the #1 car with all of the pitting still there.

[PeteLeathersac]

&quot;Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.&quot;
Luke 23:34

How fitting w/ the Easter holiday timing too.
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif
~ Pete

[Billohio]

I saw the pitting too. horrible.
wonder how much of the price is staged also.
Chuck is a big guy. Wonder what they covered up on his shirt??

[70 Forest Green Zee]

Looks like ya sold them to cheap Chuck....would have liked to see you make the money instead of that &quot;Ass Monkey&quot; !!!

[al8apex]

^

lol

[PxTx]

I don't have the hate for the show. I don't beleive or agree with everything they do either. Heck some of the things they do look like fun though. They figured out a way to get paid for having fun and doing what they like. Sounds like they are living the dream and you don't have to be the most polished or skillful person when you're doing that. I say good for them.

[rich p]

Tough crowd!! Car (TV) shows are coming back is a good thing!! Their was over 30 shows on TV back in 05. More the better!!
They are dealers and welcome to there world!! Most DEALERS have done this kind of work when they first come out and some are still doing this!! Make them look pretty from 5 feet away!! These guys are pretty funny and tell me when they have a pig with lipstick!! Real funny guys to hang with!! I was offered these cars and they sold for big money!! Congrats to them!!

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Maybe it is just me, but I just never cared to place a huge premium on the &quot;first&quot; or &quot;last&quot; built of anything. It won't make it any more enjoyable to drive or even loon at. How many times you gonna go out in the garage or shop and take a peak at the 00001 vin? It is a novelty, but not much more to me.

As for Holy Grail of &quot;muscle cars&quot;???? Normally the first few off the line back then were very plain jane low performers. So, unless a 327 210 horse 67 Camaro now qualifies as a muscle cars, I think not.</div></div>

exactly my feelings Lynn. I can buy alot of &quot;musclecars&quot; cars for that kind of money. Boring cars IMO

[SS427]

Just watched it last night and it made me completely sick. I have nothing against making money but I do when it comes to taking advantage of someone else and especially when it comes to destroying a piece of history. These cars deserved a much better restoration than they received. You cannot restore a car to &quot;concours&quot; quality in 60 days....sorry! The claimed cost of total restoration was also a complete joke. Not sure where they came up with their figures other than for show drama. I agree on needing more car tv shows but not at the expense of ruining these cars. Some of these guys need to go find a dirty lethargic pig, clean it up, feed it and sell it for a profit instead of making a pig out of some of the cars. They are making a mockery of our hobby. Let the flaming begin.

[VintageMusclecar]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just watched it last night and it made me completely sick. I have nothing against making money but I do when it comes to taking advantage of someone else and especially when it comes to destroying a piece of history. These cars deserved a much better restoration than they received. You cannot restore a car to &quot;concours&quot; quality in 60 days....sorry! The claimed cost of total restoration was also a complete joke. Not sure where they came up with their figures other than for show drama. I agree on needing more car tv shows but not at the expense of ruining these cars. Some of these guys need to go find a dirty lethargic pig, clean it up, feed it and sell it for a profit instead of making a pig out of some of the cars. They are making a mockery of our hobby. Let the flaming begin. </div></div>

This +1

[68l30]

IMHO...I think the cars were bought for all the money. The reality stopped right there. I believe the rest is all TV hocus pocus. It's entertainment for most everyone out there and a bit insulting to the other 2% out there that really get it. Good bad or otherwise, looks like they can restored again if someone needs a pristine #1 &amp; #2.

The bigger issue is.....Wonder what hit the dumpster and how many prototype or differnet processess were used when building #1 &amp; #2? Somethings must have been hand fabbed and such.I'd love to see some detail pics of the floors, cowl, interior..ect. I just hope nothing cool is lost. I've seen some cool 68 stuff that would most certainly be overlooked by others.

Looking forward to next weeks show.....it will be entertaining. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif


BIG

[Plowman]

Chuck sold two car's to &quot;Gas Monkeys&quot; and they sold them to a buyer that want's Gas Monkey to do the cars... &quot;Staged&quot; or so.

[Billohio]

I laughed when they hired a guy to help find parts. Then they bought reproduction stuff!

[bbbentley]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Billohio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I laughed when they hired a guy to help find parts. Then they bought reproduction stuff! </div></div>
I kind of wondered about that myself...the usage of repro parts? I hate using that stuff on my own car and I did not pay 325K for it either or anywhere close. Further, I would think or assume some of those original parts and panels would have unique pre-production variances in their details. Seems these details are what would make the cars a &quot;study&quot; and that was all lost in using the repro stuff. Plus, did anyone think of documenting the differences or uniqueness with only 60 days to do resto? Why let A** Monkeys, Hot Rodders, do resto work?

[Pulnaway]

The new owners are going to take a bath when they are ready to part with them. Its a shame they dont have a clue about what quality work looks like.

[mr 707]

i had a chance to watch the show last nite and laughed my rear end off. i mean they were using the really low end repo parts too. Too funny

[GaryC]

Anybody know the guy that was hired to oversee the project? He sounded as if he belonged to a restoration shop.

[rich p]

Buyer has sick money!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: rich p</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Buyer has sick money!! </div></div>

Not for long!

[Plowman]

So the &quot;Two Firebirds&quot; sold...

[67rs/ss]

Here you go.
http://www.hotrod.com/news/did_fast_n_loud_make_this_up/

[SS427]

All the more reason for not wanting to watch this show and others like it. I see these guys at several auctions a year and people always swoon over them wanting their picture taken with them. Please......... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/sick.gif It is truly sad when you have to make up material to sell a show. Inventing the drama is bad enough. Unfortunately there are just too many people that watch these shows and take is as gospel. If I hear another &quot;did you see what that one sold for at Barrett-Jackson&quot; comment one more time when I go look at some farmers car I will puke. It is shows like these that really pollute the hobby.

[the427king]

The show may not be a hit toward the hobbyist, but from a business aspect for me, my phone has rung off the hook for 3 weeks non stop and I even have another reality show wanting to do a similar show with something that is more exciting IMO than the firsbirds. I cant thank fast n loud enough for all of this.

[jimbo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The show may not be a hit toward the hobbyist, but from a business aspect for me, my phone has rung off the hook for 3 weeks non stop and I even have another reality show wanting to do a similar show with something that is more exciting IMO than the firsbirds. I cant thank fast n loud enough for all of this. </div></div>


Good for you. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[1969l78]

What's next....the first two Yugo's? <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[SS427]

Several years ago we were approached in passing about doing one of those reality shows here in the shop. Took me about 1.5 seconds to answer. NO! I have no desire to have that type of dog and pony show here and would rather earn my money the hard way. To each their own.

[the427king]

&quot;Several years ago we were approached in passing about doing one of those reality shows here in the shop&quot;..................What show was that, Rick?

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">&quot;Several years ago we were approached in passing about doing one of those reality shows here in the shop&quot;..................What show was that, Rick? </div></div>

<span style="font-size: 14pt">&quot;Real Housewives of Pleasant Plains&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif </span>

[SS427]

You got it Tom! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif

[DW31S]

This is the first time I saw this thread. When I saw &quot;first two Firebirds&quot;, I got all excited thinking about the GM Design Studio and Motorama cars! THEY ARE the first two Firebirds!!! Saw them at the display at Pebble a couple years back---WAY COOL!!! OK These are still cool.

[the427king]

Cmon Rick , Dont be so negative . You are just afraid your customers will start putting a 10K a day deadline on you,and expect thier car in 30 days <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif

[John Brown]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">All the more reason for not wanting to watch this show and others like it...... It is shows like these that really pollute the hobby. </div></div>

And the airwaves in general. I really don't miss not having a tv. If this is the kind of crap I'd have to be watching, I'd rather do anything else.

[69z28302]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">IMHO...I think the cars were bought for all the money. The reality stopped right there. I believe the rest is all TV hocus pocus. It's entertainment for most everyone out there and a bit insulting to the other 2% out there that really get it. Good bad or otherwise, looks like they can restored again if someone needs a pristine #1 &amp; #2.

The bigger issue is.....Wonder what hit the dumpster and how many prototype or differnet processess were used when building #1 &amp; #2? Somethings must have been hand fabbed and such.I'd love to see some detail pics of the floors, cowl, interior..ect. I just hope nothing cool is lost. I've seen some cool 68 stuff that would most certainly be overlooked by others.

Looking forward to next weeks show.....it will be entertaining. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif


BIG </div></div>

Did anyone notice the coil spring rear end I think the the convertible had that Richards nephew was working on?

Mike

[markjohnson]

I've noticed A-Body upper trailing mounts in so many early 'Birds that I think Pontiac just used that cast center section in everything.

[67rs/ss]

Did anyone notice on the coupe the front subframe was the mid 68 to 69 with the access holes on the inside and
3 holes above. I also saw the part where they were hounding the guy installing the tire on the rear end for one of the firebirds. It look to have the 2 big round eyes on top of the center carrier.

[427.060]

There are recent pictures of the cars posted on Performance Years. The pictures are toward the end of the thread. Firebirds 1 &amp; 2 (http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=751863)
James