69 Z28, Champagne Gold

[Rixls6]

Saw this 69 Z28 on Craiglist mixed with some other cars.

http://memphis.craigslist.org/cto/4443782970.html

[Salvatore]

Love the black pickup too.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

COPO prototype Z28 with an 05A build date? How did he get that from his research?

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Love the black pickup </div></div>

Seller indicates that's also a COPO <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif

[Rixls6]

Yeah, the seller does seem to have a small bit of attitude.
Looking past all the rhetoric, I wonder what he thinks is the right price for his &quot;prototype&quot; Z.

[William]

Tuxedo Black, Butternut Yellow and Champagne were added as extra-cost RPO colors around January 1969.

Champagne is rare on a Z/28 but there is at least one other; was an ebay project several years ago. Had the &quot;prototype&quot; black vinyl top also.

[miket1]

Hi Rick,
Thanks for posting the ad , since I like the 69 Z28's, and have had many of them over the last 35 years, I think I will call him, I may not be able to afford a Prototype Z, with a black grille,
will let you know how it goes.

Mike

[Postsedan]

I like the Blown '68 Post Sedan Chevelle <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[barnett468]

Perhaps we could print up some decorative cash and pay him with prototype money.

[markinnaples]

Anyone have a pic of a Z in this color?

[Mr70]

It wasn't Gold,it was just Champagne color.

http://www.camaros.net/years/69/69paint.jpg


Lets save this here for posterity after the CL ad expires:
Grant,Alabama~
&quot;1969 GM COPO prototype Z28.Double Champagne(63 63)
64993 documented miles all #s match.I`ve researched for over 4 years...
Please call 256-505-790one.&quot;

[SeattleCarGuy]

Would be a neat car to restore and a unique color for sure.

I'm very interested to hear what he thinks its worth. I'm betting he wants $40k for it. Seems to me its worth around $20-22k as is???

[Lynn]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SeattleCarGuy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Would be a neat car to restore and a unique color for sure.

I'm very interested to hear what he thinks its worth. I'm betting he wants $40k for it. Seems to me its worth around $20-22k as is??? </div></div>

If it truly is &quot;all numbers match&quot; (eng. trans, rear, distributor, carb, alt master cyl. (i.e. all the expensive stuff) then probably 30k if the body doesn't need any panel replacement. After all, the color change doesn't hurt much since it is going to get new paint anyway.

[Glenn L78]

You guys are way off,I talked to him, motor is not in car, he doesnt have the heads,intake or carb,thinks it is a one off
car ,he is in a world of his own,said he was offered $85K and a 70 z28 and turned it down... thats when I hung up

[Lynn]

That's really funny.

[69VN]

Just curious, was the factory still installing flat hoods on cars built on the 1st. week of May? That car shows an 05A trim tag build date. Also looks like there is a new cowl hood on top of the roof!

SAL <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Lynn]

Yes, even late in the year, most Z's got flat hoods. ZL-2 was an option.

[Pulnaway]

You can tell by how a Craiglist ad reads if the seller is a squirrel or not. This guy is and he has been watching to much Fast and Loud.

[SeattleCarGuy]

I was real curious so I just called and spoke with him. I would love to do a '69 Z-28 project after I finish my '69 Nova.

I enjoyed talking to him, though I can't say his story is believable. I will give him credit for being as convincing as he can be. Here is what he told me:

He bought the car sight-unseen 3 years ago from a guy that owned it since 1969. That guy parked it in 1973, pulled the motor out and the car sat in a barn since then. Somewhere along the way, the heads, intake, carb (all the top end) got lost or discarded. Has original block, trans, BV 4.10 rear end.

Now, this is where it gets a little crazy and I would sure love to hear the outcome of this story:

He claims it is a one-off car, hand assembled and never went down the usual production line. He has not selling paperwork, dealer order paperwork, or anything else to support that theory. He says it is proven by the car itself having these unique features: EVERY date code on the car is the exact same day in 1969, which he claims means that is was hand assembled from parts pulled especially for the day it was built. This seems odd, as you didn't have just-in-time building of components back then. He also claims the VIN number has all of the numbers in a clean even row and then the final number in the VIN is a &quot;1&quot; which is slightly lower and spaced further out than the rest of the numbers, which he claims is GM's way of designating a one-off build. Finally, he says the car has all kinds of one-off parts never seen on any other Camaro such as galvanized subframe, galvanized lower quarter panels, different spoilers, etc.

He says the engine has 64,000 original miles.

He claims he has spoken with Jerry McNeish several times who told him that is a one of only 3 Champagne colored Camaro's he knows about and is the only one that is solid Champagne without stripes (stripe delete). He says Jerry M has not come to look at it, but told him it was &quot;very special and not to touch it&quot;.

He claims he has had offers of between $6000 - $125,000 for the car, including the guy that &quot;Glenn L78&quot; mentions above offering him $85k plus a restored 70 1/2 Z-28. He claims he hasn't sold it because he will only sell to someone who intends to restore, keep and enjoy the car, not just flip it.

All this sounds pretty suspicious to me and I would not pay real money for anything anymore without paperwork, but this is also intriguing. I would love to hear from someone that really knows Camaro's go look at it and tell us all if there is any truth to these &quot;special, one-off, hand built&quot; claims, or whether this is just another unrestored Z-28 that happens to be a unique factory color.

I don't want to ridicule this Seller in any way. He seems like a nice guy to talk to and he's definitely passionate about his beliefs about this car, but of course, passionate people can be all wrong as well.

Anyway, interesting car and the like they say on X-files, &quot;the truth is out there somewhere&quot;.

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SeattleCarGuy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> He claims he has had offers of between $6000 - $125,000 for the car, including the guy that &quot;Glenn L78&quot; mentions above offering him $85k plus a restored 70 1/2 Z-28. He claims he hasn't sold it because he will only sell to someone who intends to restore, keep and enjoy the car, not just flip it. </div></div>

So he thinks it's 'flippable' if someone pays 85-125K for it as it sits now. Um, okay.

[1969l78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pulnaway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can tell by how a Craiglist ad reads if the seller is a squirrel or not. This guy is and he has been watching to much Fast and Loud.
</div></div>


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[bkhpah]

I would love to see this car done...BKH

[PeteLeathersac]

<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;...He also claims the VIN number has all of the numbers in a clean even row and then the final number in the VIN is a &quot;1&quot; which is slightly lower and spaced further out than the rest of the numbers, which he claims is GM's way of designating a one-off build...&quot;</span>

Is he talking the Vin tag here or original block and trans stampings?
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~ Pete

[Mr70]

His claim of,&quot;EVERY date code on the car is the exact same day in 1969,which he claims means that is was hand assembled from parts pulled especially for the day it was built&quot;,seems not only ridiculous to me,but literally impossible.
All the window glass dates,engine &amp; electrical components,fuses,seatbelts,hoses,belts,headlights, the frame assembled stamping,sheet metal body panels,dashboard components,carpeting &amp; jute,assembled seats,keylocks,shock absorbers,relays,brake lines,fuel lines,transmisson &amp; rearend internals &amp; anything else I forgot,were all made &amp; assembled the exact same day and then shipped within minutes if not seconds to be put on this particular car?
Does he have any idea of the scope of what he's saying,especially since so many assembly line parts had different manufacturers &amp; batch date periods?....that in itself was impossible,unless they had help from the Mayans.

[SeattleCarGuy]

<span style="font-style: italic">&quot;...He also claims the VIN number has all of the numbers in a clean even row and then the final number in the VIN is a &quot;1&quot; which is slightly lower and spaced further out than the rest of the numbers, which he claims is GM's way of designating a one-off build...&quot;

Is he talking the Vin tag here or original block and trans stampings?</span>

I believe he was referring to the VIN plate on the top of the dash.

[70 copo]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">His claim of,&quot;EVERY date code on the car is the exact same day in 1969,which he claims means that is was hand assembled from parts pulled especially for the day it was built&quot;,seems not only ridiculous to me,but literally impossible.
All the window glass dates,engine &amp; electrical components,fuses,seatbelts,hoses,belts,headlights, the frame assembled stamping,sheet metal body panels,dashboard components,carpeting &amp; jute,assembled seats,keylocks,shock absorbers,relays,brake lines,fuel lines,transmisson &amp; rearend internals &amp; anything else I forgot,were all made &amp; assembled the exact same day and then shipped within minutes if not seconds to be put on this particular car?
Does he have any idea of the scope of what he's saying,especially since so many assembly line parts had different manufacturers &amp; batch date periods?....that in itself was impossible,unless they had help from the Mayans. </div></div>

Rick,

It is pretty obvious that going after the guy on the assembly claims he is making would be about as thrilling as clubbing a baby seal on the beach .

[Mr70]

To you,me &amp; most every veteran on here Phil,yes.
I just posted the obvious in hopes he is here,or others who are new here understand it.
http://cutepics.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/cute-baby-seal.jpg

[resto4u]

if it was stripe delete, it needs paperwork to prove or have - or -- paint code.

[Lynn]

Yes, stripe delete would require a - - paint code.

He better take that $125k.

[69VN]

Has anyone asked him if the previous owner can still be reached? I'm sure there would be a host of questions for him!

SAL

[69VN]

Almost forgot...here were the PPG colors from 1969.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/04/full-13015-11419-1969_chevrolet_ppg_colors.jpg

[Kurt S]

Almost all his claims are baseless *and* incorrect.
It's a just a Z in a unique color.
I've only seen the color on a full-size and it's more of a light gold than the samples show.
He was asking $65K in 2012.

NOR 323624

[budnate]

the color is pretty unique in the sun, I liked it, somewhere around here is a old pic of that '69 granny nova I had in this color.


B.

[m22mike]

Did this top on my Malibu, came out very close to the large color sample in my 69 dealer album, never saw a 69 Camaro this color in person.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/05/full-2974-11448-dscf2174.jpg

[enio45]

Mikeeee, I like the painted top and color!

[PeteLeathersac]

That fake VV Cooke Copo in Western Canada a few years back was Champagne wasn;t it?
Not it, here's a Champagne black hat car off the net below.
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~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/05/full-2506-11482-1969champagneblackvinyl.jpg

[markinnaples]

That colors screams for a black grille.

[bigsixman]

We had a 69 champagne Camaro with a 350/M-20 4 spd and a black vinyl top in our area until about 1985. We also had a 69 SS396 chevelle that was champagne with a brown vinyl top and a green interior. I just saw the chevelle yesterday at a winter storage facility and it has been painted FG and the vinyl top removed.

[bulletpruf]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We also had a 69 SS396 chevelle that was champagne with a brown vinyl top and a green interior. </div></div>

Yikes! I just threw up in my mouth.

[Day2_69Z]

Not a Z pic but if I look through a friends album I'll post a Pic or so of a L78 in Champagne. He had it around 87-88 Aluminum headed 427,Hydro-vac booster &amp; rear Discs. The color is nice when fresh but he painted it Porsche Red. Was sold at Dutch Wonderland around 89-90 for $25k , stayed in a private collection for years then a number of years ago it was brought to The Super Car Workshop for a Restoration back to code 63.....I assume the Car is done by now...You can contact Brian or Joe, I'm sure they have nice pics of it in Red &amp; Champ.