COPO ZL1 with the yenko performance pakage.

[Tracy]

Did any of the original 69 COPO ZL1 camaros get a yenko performance upgrade. I know the traditional yenko cars were cast iron block with 201 or 198 of them produced. I can find all about this on the internet. But wasn't there five yenko versions of the COPO ZL1 camaros made? I hear of five ultra rare COPO Yenko ZL1'S. pardon my ignorance if I don't see this correctly but this is an unanswered question that I cannot find the answer to. I want my information straight if I happen to find a miracle barn find.

[William]

There is no reason to believe Yenko Chevrolet or Yenko Sportscars Inc was involved with any of the 69 factory-built ZL1 Camaros. When Chevrolet took back many of the cars from Fred Gibb Chevrolet [June '69] they were shopped around to dealers specializing in high-performance cars. Yenko certainly could have acquired some but by that time had many unsold COPO cars of his own.

Yenko did take over production of the ZL1 block casting after the 1969 model year.

[Tracy]

I'm thinking that if one of them did exist today the motor compartments wouldn't look like what I've seen on the Internet. The real carwould have to piece headers. Like this...

[Tracy]

Thank You William in my search of knowledge you have helped

[Tracy]

I meant two piece headers not to... Stupid spellckeck...

[luzl78]

I don't think yenko would have to do anything with the aluminum motor, just some graphics and other day 2 stuff. I think the zl1 outran the iron 427 by a little bit

[Tracy]

Fred had the first 50 of 69.Again excuse my ignorance I'm trying to learn here. Did the later 19 cars get ordered with different styles. Like maybe a Zl1 Z28 or rs?

[Charley Lillard]

A couple of ZL1's got the 9737 Yenko Sportscar conversion COPO option, bigger swaybar, 140 speedo, 15" rims. Is that what you were thinking of ?

[Tracy]

I was under the impression that headers, high rise, carb and other high performance upgrades were involved in the YENKO performance upgrade for a zl1. maybe I'm chasing ghosts here but I really think this car exist.

[Tracy]

let me research and get more information I'm not sure at this point.Thank You so far for the information.how did you like the motor pic? You will not find it on the internet it come from an owner/friend. he has something special I'm trying to figure out just exactly what it is...

[Kurt S]

Start here with William's article: http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml

And, Yenko never had any of the original 69 ZL1's.

[Tracy]

the reason I'm asking about cars beyond number 50 is because Fred sent back all but 13. The other cars... who knows... My owner/friend has the Vin match for copo # 67. Why does it have this motor? The original invoice (he has) says yenko performance upgrade... how do you connect #67 with yenko? If I am right about my friends car I think he has the holey grail of camaros....

[Tracy]

Thank you... kurt... I will lookbut maybe tomorrow it's my bedtime I have to work Tomorrow

[Charley Lillard]

He has ZL1 # 67 ? How long has he had it ?

[Tracy]

Since 1969... its really not my story to tell but it was in heritance from his grandfather.I discovered what it was last week and explained it to him.he already knew it was rare and valuable but I don't think he knew how rare.

[Unreal]

Is there a VIN on the block? Match the car VIN? Car VIN on the list?

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fred had the first 50 of 69.Again excuse my ignorance I'm trying to learn here. Did the later 19 cars get ordered with different styles. Like maybe a Zl1 Z28 or rs? </div></div>

2 of the ZL1 Camaros got the RS package, yes. No Z28 ever had a factory-installed big-block Mark IV engine.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/06/full-3497-13186-1969_chevrolet_camaro_zl_1.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/06/full-3497-13187-nvqhc3.jpg

[Tracy]

The owner got with the dealer that sold it and found the missing information. Now he has to decide how to proceed. He is truly blessed and I am very happy for him and to have been part of the discovery.

[Pulnaway]

You said they have had the car since 1969? How did the dealer get him the missing info?

[Charley Lillard]

Tracy...We need pics, something more than the story. Every once in awhile we seem to get a new person on the site with some kind of similar tale but 99% of the time it turns out to be just a tale. I want to thank everyone that has refrained from making accusations and is letting this play out. If this is real it is a great event and we are lucky to be able to share in it. Hurry Tracy hurry.....

[camaromb]

I believe this guy advertised on Craigslist in Seattle a few months ago, inherited ZL1 Copo, sitting since '74, all original, paperwork, etc.... for $ 75k with a phone number. Ok, I called and he said it was a blue RS Copo ZL1, deluxe interior, white vinyl top (sounds like a ZL1 we know), didn't really care about the car because he had 30 cars and would send pics of the paperwork. I explained that the RS ZL1 Camaros are already known and he thought maybe the dealer installed the ZL1. He never sent pics of the paperwork, he was too busy. A nice story, who knows what he may or may not have, certainly not an original RS ZL1 Camaro.

[Tracy]

Hello. Tracy has allowed me to use his login. I'm the owner of this car and Tracy is a friend/co worker. He took an interest in the car and took the time to help me research it. My grandpa was friends with the dealer and he made this car a reality back in 69. Ive spoken with the son and grandson of the original dealer. The son has known about this car since he was a teenager. He detailed it before it was given to my grandpa and has always been curious about what happen to it. Its a shame that i didnt do my part years ago to find out how truly rare this car is. I now have a decision to make. Ive never lived in Seattle. I live in the south. The cars color is hugger orange and it has 5977 original miles. I still have the original tires vacuum sealed and the original battry. I have had to replace the belts and fuel pump. I still have the original fuel pump. The weatherstripping has deteriorated over the years. I appreciate the info you have given us and again i have a big decision to make. Thanks for allowing me the opportunity to post. Any more info that could be beneficial please let us know.

[Charley Lillard]

Pictures please

[92646]

Tracy, that engine picture came from a Yenko clone with an all aluminum Yenko engine that I had a couple of years ago.

[Mr70]

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[camaromb]

The owner of the selling dealership for ZL1 # 67 is still around, I talked to him at the last MCACN show. I'm surprised the son and grandson didn't let you know he's still alive and kicking? He might be able to help you out with original paperwork on the car?

I did talk to someone in area code 509 regarding grandpa's old ZL1 copo, blue rs, etc.... It must have been another grandpa's original ZL1, they keep turning up lately, especially on Craigslist.

[PeteLeathersac]

Some sources indicate ZL1 #67 as known scrapped/destroyed?
Also, Charley's commented before that ZL1 #67 was traded back in on #66?
Hope things turn out that the genuine car is alive &amp; well!
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~ Pete


ZL1 # 67
VIN 124379N644314
ZL1/M21/D80/VE3
72/72 Hugger Orange
D/D: Huffmans Chevrolet/Farmington IL


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Zone # <span style="font-weight: bold">11</span>
Deler Code # <span style="font-weight: bold">314</span>
Huffmans Chevrolet/Buick
Rt. 116 West
Farmington IL

*D/D - ZL1's #66 &amp; #67

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Huffmans Z16

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/06/full-2506-13203-huffmansfarmingtonilz16.jpg

[Stefano]

This is so exciting........... please show us what grandpaw's got : )

[427freak]

Maybe Grandpa moth balled it.

[twertsy]

So, google Tracy's email and you come up with a name (which matches exactly) and a link to all posted you-tube videos. (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=UUhoF1dGRRQ8pbKiRIa8F-ag) Quite certain the location is Tennessee based on metadata.

[Pulnaway]

Twertsy? I'm not sure why any of that matters. Your posting links to the owners friends children?

[Tracy]

Plunaway, I agree. Also 92646, almost exactly the same. His is a rally sport though.

[69hurstSC]

Any pictures to share Tracy? That goes a long way in gaining the confidence of board members and their willingness to help out. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[Tracy]

I really cant. The owner asked that I didn't for now until he knows more about how to proceed with findings. I don't think he was too happy that I put the engine pic and told what it was. I joined the seek knowledge not necessarily to gain confidence. If I get the OK I will post more.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I really cant. The owner asked that I didn't for now until he knows more about how to proceed with findings. I don't think he was too happy that I put the engine pic and told what it was. I joined the seek knowledge not necessarily to gain confidence. If I get the OK I will post more.
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The picture you posted was of another member's engine compartment. If you're here to take advantage of decades of knowledge of these members for free without giving anything in return, you're not going to to be happy with what you receive.

-Matt

[Fast67VelleN2O]

This thread reminds me of this other recent thread....

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/568477/1/have-first-rights-to-a-one-own

[njsteve]

In this day and age some people out there still don't realize that any photo posted can be checked against archived photographic material on the internet. So when someone posts a picture and says that it is &quot;their&quot; car, or their &quot;friend's&quot; car...and it turns out they posted it on a site where, coincidentally, the actual owner is a member, then it makes you giggle just a little bit.

[Charley Lillard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">let me research and get more information I'm not sure at this point.Thank You so far for the information.how did you like the motor pic? You will not find it on the internet it come from an owner/friend. he has something special I'm trying to figure out just exactly what it is... </div></div>

Tracy you have not answered my pm. How do you explain the fact that the engine pic you posted claiming we will not find that pic on the internet of it is actually a pic of a Yenko clone engine that belonged to a current member of this site ?

[PeteLeathersac]

Could it be Mark's sold clone car w/ a new 'old' identity?
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~ Pete

[69hurstSC]

http://i62.tinypic.com/ight3m.gif
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Could it be Mark's sold clone car w/ a new 'old' identity?
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~ Pete

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[92646]

The Yenko clone ended up in a collection in Newport beach California. I just talked to the owner last week and I do not think he would be the kind of person to post this. If the car is a 1969 R/S ZL1 I think the engine area might look a little more like my last ZL1 clone.

[Pulnaway]

He is not claiming that picture to be the car. If you read it he is asking about the headers in the picture. I think the best thing for the owner to do is to contact Charlie.

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Scott, he did claim it to be the engine from the car.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">let me research and get more information I'm not sure at this point.Thank You so far for the information.how did you like the motor pic? You will not find it on the internet it come from an owner/friend. he has something special I'm trying to figure out just exactly what it is... </div></div>

[Pulnaway]

Matt, I missed that one...lol

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pulnaway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Twertsy? I'm not sure why any of that matters. Your posting links to the owners friends children? </div></div>

No malice intended there............just trying to clarify &quot;in the south&quot; and with this group, if you don't lay out the trail you may as well spit in the wind. It appeared to matter throughout the thread with Seatle being mentioned.

I certainly apologize to Tracy if you were annoyed by the posting of your YouTube channel.

[Tracy]

Guys, this search for information has taken a turn in the wrong direction for me. I am now known as the person disrespecting other folks by posting pictures of their &quot;clone&quot; motor when I think we have the real thing. That picture was sent to me by the owner who I have no doubt at all about the pictures authenticity. However if the first clone picture is side by side with the one I posted I see differences. Specifically in air filter decals and the brake lines off of the master cylinder. I am impressed with the resemblances. But they do not look to be the same motor to me. Wouldn't a clone be expected to look the same.

[Tracy]

92646 I agree the copo zl1 should look more like your last post. But maybe with cast exhaust manifolds. But my whole reason for being here is why would it have the yenko block and badges like the orange clone? I may be ignorantly posting but I can assure you that I am honestly posting.

[Tracy]

I just got around to looking at my previous post. Fast 67 what do you mean by I will not like what I get?

[Charley Lillard]

Brakes lines and air cleaner decals look the same to me. Also I think you said the car was a RS but the engine compartment you show is not a RS. They both even have the same incorrect master cylinder. Same welded on ports on the headers. If your friend insists that is a pic of his engine he is probably not that good of a friend.

[Charley Lillard]

I don't even think that Yenko aluminum block was available in 69.

[Tracy]

thank y monks ou Charlie. I think you just give me the information I was really looking for.sorry for causing such a ruckus but I'm really impressed with your people's ability to know Camaros.
Tracy

[mrays]

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I did some research online on the Yenko ZL-1 blocks and everything I found said they were cast from 1975 to 1987. I believe Don wanted them for Can Am racing and GM had quit casting the blocks so he bought the tooling from them. I was looking into this because of a 69 Camaro that the owner said was a COPO that Yenko installed a Yenko ZL-1 block in. I don't think the car was a real COPO and if Yenko did install the block it wasn't done in 69 like the owner said.

[bergy]

&quot;...owner said was a COPO that Yenko installed a Yenko ZL-1 block in. I don't think the car was a real COPO...&quot;

Dover white car? If so, the car is said to be certified by JM as 9561. White car does have a much later Yenko aluminum block in it.

So......has Tracy now concluded that the car that he's not allowed to post pictures of is a clone?

[camaromb]

Wasn't it a vin match for ZL1 # 67?

[PeteLeathersac]

Looks like this one's dried up for now?
Love the Charley's people thing, Ok and everyone drink the Kool-Aid togetherrrr......aaand now!!!
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~ Pete