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brent396
07-30-2014, 11:56 AM
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JRSully
07-30-2014, 11:59 AM
That one ain't coming back!

Mr70
07-30-2014, 12:10 PM
Geez..A new Malibu knocked that '69 Chevelle body right off the frame & twisted it.
http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/07/two_in_critical_condition_afte.html

http://blog.oregonlive.com/breakingnews/2007/07/large_chevelle2.jpg

mockingbird812
07-30-2014, 12:21 PM
That's a shame. The old cars are too rigid as compared to modern cars with no crushable zones that dissipate the energy over a longer time. Then the deceleration is too much for the occupant and severe injury or death results.

galveston
07-30-2014, 12:56 PM
It's been along time since I've seen a body become detached from the frame like this, makes you wonder if aftermarket body mounts and more importantly the grade of bolts used, if this was a "frame off". Appears to have rolled to the right given the height of the "A" pillar and "sail" panel.

Salvatore
07-30-2014, 01:07 PM
There has to be a Semi over in the ditch somewhere that we can not see.

69hurstSC
07-30-2014, 01:17 PM
I'll state the obvious, I hope the other occupants pull through.

mockingbird812
07-30-2014, 03:32 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has to be a Semi over in the ditch somewhere that we can not see. </div></div>

No semi, I think, as we would not recognize the Chevelle. But, do notice the silver car in the background of the first photo. Appears to have been a head on collision between the two. See how the more modern car is generally intact and that the front section has crushed in a predictable manner and its engine most likely went below the occupant area. Modern car designs are light years ahead of the old body over frame design and will dissipate tremendous energy and keep the deceleration time as long as possible so that the human occupants can survive (humans do not tolerate fast deceleration - think torn aortas). The rigid Chevelle in comparison imposes a much more severe (shorter) deceleration on its occupants because it is so rigid. The impact is much more jarring to the occupants. A lot of us older fellows still say we would much prefer to be in a vintage &quot;big tank&quot; vs a smaller modern car. This does not necessarily protect you.

I don't mean to get too technical or alarming, but I worked in this area (mil aviation mishaps) and there are still old wives tales circulating that could get you hurt. Don't forget to put your separate shoulder belts on too as they can make a big difference.

al8apex
07-30-2014, 03:51 PM
I remember seeing this 7 years ago when it 1st occurred. Not to downplay the seriousness of this incident but:

1. Ricky racers / street squirrels really put a bad light on the hobby

2. Poorly done &quot;restorations&quot; using cheap 3rd world parts / bolts (nod to Shaun's post above) or even improper rust repair look like this

3. Vehicles on old tires are a pet peeve of mine.

The obvious, as stated in the news report, is the Chevelle driver lost control being a street squirrel and was hit by the &quot;modern&quot; Malibu broadside at a high rate of speed:

&quot;Multnomah County sheriff's deputies said the witnesses saw the Chevelle begin to fishtail, make a correction, then fishtail again, entering the oncoming lane and being hit broadside by the Malibu.&quot;

I will bet the rear tires on the SS were &quot;old&quot; and offered little traction. Anyone that drives a car like this with old tires (heat cycled to death from age or burnouts) and thinks it is &quot;cool&quot; because the rear tires break loose in 2nd or even third are fooling themselves.

As Sergeant Phil Esterhaus used to say on Hill Street Blues: &quot;Hey, let's be careful out there.&quot;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jmg86CRBBtw

68l30
07-30-2014, 03:56 PM
Looks like the velle got tagged in the left rear and then turned and rolled. Notice the rear is caved in, frame twisted and the front survived although dislodged.Ouch is right...


BIG

al8apex
07-30-2014, 04:01 PM
No evidence of rolling (no scratches in the paint) plus there would be more of a debris field if it did

ANDY M
07-30-2014, 04:15 PM
As was pointed out, this happened in 2007. The passenger in the Chevelle was KIA.
The drivers both survived, that we know of from the news posted with the photos. This is not only tragic, but potentially very painful for somebody who might stumble across this post who did not need to have his day ruined. Just a little bit worse than &quot;Ouch&quot;. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif

GaryC
07-30-2014, 04:28 PM
Wow!! That Chevelle must have been in full power mode to create the force to do that. Wonder what the driver side looks like.

427TJ
07-30-2014, 05:40 PM
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mockingbird812</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There has to be a Semi over in the ditch somewhere that we can not see. </div></div>

No semi, I think, as we would not recognize the Chevelle. But, do notice the silver car in the background of the first photo. Appears to have been a head on collision between the two. See how the more modern car is generally intact and that the front section has crushed in a predictable manner and its engine most likely went below the occupant area. Modern car designs are light years ahead of the old body over frame design and will dissipate tremendous energy and keep the deceleration time as long as possible so that the human occupants can survive (humans do not tolerate fast deceleration - think torn aortas). The rigid Chevelle in comparison imposes a much more severe (shorter) deceleration on its occupants because it is so rigid. The impact is much more jarring to the occupants. A lot of us older fellows still say we would much prefer to be in a vintage &quot;big tank&quot; vs a smaller modern car. This does not necessarily protect you.

I don't mean to get too technical or alarming, but I worked in this area (mil aviation mishaps) and there are still old wives tales circulating that could get you hurt. Don't forget to put your separate shoulder belts on too as they can make a big difference. </div></div>

Thanks to Ralph Nader. Unsafe at any speed = older cars. Crumple zones and survivability = new cars. I drive my old cars with eyes moving everywhere. You never know when some woman in an SUV or a drunk in a Ram 1500 is going to cross the center line and try to kill you.

68l30
07-30-2014, 06:05 PM
^^^^This! Just driving along minding your own business is hard in a old car. Everyone drives like a moron around you just to gawk and stare....I have 110% of my attention on my surroundings.

BIG

Tracker1
07-30-2014, 11:12 PM
Who knows if the body mounts were ever changed at all, possibly originals? Those tires are modern-tread radials with lots of tread depth.

PLATINUM6BBL
07-31-2014, 09:39 PM
This one is more recent - Chevelle vs Kia
http://www.wtae.com/news/2-cars-collide-near-century-square-shopping-center-in-west-mifflin/27034508#!bsq5ua