Missing Muscle Cars

[69hurstSC]

We all know of the missing 69 Ed Hedrick Yenko Camaro. But what are some of the other more prominent missing muscle cars, both race, production & concept?

[cook_dw]

68 Grumpy Camaro that went to Heavy then???????

[69hurstSC]

Check out this story! http://www.shelbymustang.com/morrison.php

[luzl78]

How about the 67 Grenada gold motion car that was painted white and was the first super club car?

[old5.0]

Should these be something that most people have heard of, or can local legends play along? There used to be a 67 or 68 Nickey Camaro running the streets around Marysville, KS. back in the early-mid 70's...

[Pulnaway]

Has Larry Clains Motion Vett ever been located?

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">68 Grumpy Camaro that went to Heavy then??????? </div></div>

OUSTANDING example. That car is the definition of a mystery.

[PLATINUM6BBL]

Back in 89/90 time frame my wife was attending Slippery Rock Univ and one of the students was driving what I thought was a clone of a '65 GT350 convertible that was Wimbelton White with Lemans Blue stripes. Had the quarter scoops, fiberglass hood and automatic on the floor with no console. I truly thought since there were no brake cooling ducts in the quarter scoops that it couldn't be a real GT350. Found out later that convertible couldn't have the cooling ducts. Also found out later that the only missing '65 GT350 convertible was the white &amp; blue stripe one. Kick myself for not digging further into what the car may have been.

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">68 Grumpy Camaro that went to Heavy then??????? </div></div>

and his '68 chevy II and '69 camaro...

[69LM1]

I think that Heavy's orange 69 motion is still missing as well? Dan told me a story of how it was chained to a pole or some such, at a gas station while he was in jail.

Kinda missing, but not, is the 69 LM1 Convertible (Bob Johnson Racing Ent) that Joe Delorenzo broke several records with. That car is known to still be raced today by the Lucas team. I chatted with them about the car and they seemed to not really care about the historical connection...... And did'nt want to sell the car! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

http://www.69lm1.com/picts/lm1nhrarecord.JPG

http://www.69lm1.com/picts/NHRA2.JPG

http://www.69lm1.com/picts/joed1.JPG

Rich

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69LM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think that Heavy's orange 69 motion is still missing as well? Dan told me a story of how it was chained to a pole or some such, at a gas station while he was in jail.

Kinda missing, but not, is the 69 LM1 Convertible (Bob Johnson Racing Ent) that Joe Delorenzo broke several records with. That car is known to still be raced today by the Lucas team. I chatted with them about the car and they seemed to not really care about the historical connection...... And did'nt want to sell the car! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

http://www.69lm1.com/picts/lm1nhrarecord.JPG

http://www.69lm1.com/picts/NHRA2.JPG

http://www.69lm1.com/picts/joed1.JPG

Rich </div></div>

I've heard the chained to a pole story, as well. Sometimes it's the 69, sometimes it's the 70.

[68l30]

That NHRA record ap looks familiar.... Here is the actual carbon print:

BIG

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-105-15094-image.jpg

[scuncio kid]

Has the Joey Mason's
Motion Camaro ever been found ? The blue metalflake one that raced at Dover. Joel Rosen's Cobra is also mia

[69hurstSC]

Another one was/is Joe Oldham's Motion Camaro, which I think was stolen from his house.

http://i61.tinypic.com/2yzbeio.jpg

Also, the Hurst Nova seemed to disappear pretty early in its life.

http://i58.tinypic.com/1jmhj8.jpg

[COPO140]

What about the Black and Gold ZL1?

[old5.0]

What about the Knafel Golden Sabres and Magnum 400s?

[m22mike]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about the Knafel Golden Sabres and Magnum 400s? </div></div>

Yep, that's rare.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-2974-15107-untitled.png

[Tracker1]

The Merollis ZL1s?

[Supergas990]

I thought the 1967 Granada Gold Motion Chevelle had been found and is being restored in the Northeast?

Still a lot of cars out there to be discovered.

Blair

[olredalert]

----Mike,,,I remember that building well. Bought my 72 Trans Am right out front from Bill K in 1973. It was his wifes driver for several months but still only had a couple of thousand miles on it. Popped on a set of Daises I already had later that day (day 1?). Then later that year I went over and bought a 73 GMC El Camino. It served its purpose, but I never liked it much. Bill was a pretty decent guy and easy to deal with.......Bill S

[resto4u]

blair, chevelle found. He was talking about the 67 camaro.

[iluv69s]

how about Malcolm Durham's ZL-1? apparently the block is out there..I suspect the car is still out there(along with other ZL-1's) but so chopped up, it would be hard to ever prove.

[William]

The Merollis ZL1s were re-distributed Gibb cars: #11, #24, #32, #37 &amp; #50. I ran the VINs several times back in the ‘80s and none of them were registered to insurance companies. Indications are all of them were recovered and sold at insurance auction. #11 has been in Ohio with the same owner since the ‘70s; #24 was on file as have been junked in MA in 1973. The others could have been junked, used up on the street or may survive as cut up drag cars with no tags. Be aware that the VINs are registered in Canada.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Merollis ZL1s were re-distributed Gibb cars: #11, #24, #32, #37 &amp; #50. I ran the VINs several times back in the ‘80s and none of them were registered to insurance companies. Indications are all of them were recovered and sold at insurance auction. #11 has been in Ohio with the same owner since the ‘70s; #24 was on file as have been junked in MA in 1973. The others could have been junked, used up on the street or may survive as cut up drag cars with no tags. Be aware that the VINs are registered in Canada. </div></div>

Don't worry they are now Canadian registered aluminum engined SkiDoos.

Ryan

[1967Z28]

How about the three MIA very early production 1967 Z-28 Camaros that went to Nickey Chevrolet? Where'd they go?

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/NCRSdocs_zpsa2d1695d.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/NCRSdocs_zpsa2d1695d.jpg.html)

[69hurstSC]

Is the 8th 69 Trans Am convertible accounted for?

[iluv69s]

Some of them early 67 Z's are probably still out there still...maybe disguised as SS's...


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1967Z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about the three MIA very early production 1967 Z-28 Camaros that went to Nickey Chevrolet? Where'd they go?

http://i586.photobucket.com/albums/ss309/1967z28/January%202014/NCRSdocs_zpsa2d1695d.jpg (http://s586.photobucket.com/user/1967z28/media/January%202014/NCRSdocs_zpsa2d1695d.jpg.html)</div></div>

[iluv69s]

When you say none were registered to insurance companies... were they all registered to others?? Or no registration was found?

Did the insurance companies all register the cars after they were recovered???
Is there any othere evidence that all 6 cars were recovered? just curious...

I dont remember the story.. they were all stolen together?? from the dealer?? You would think it might have been news if they were all recovered?? just saying...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Merollis ZL1s were re-distributed Gibb cars: #11, #24, #32, #37 &amp; #50. I ran the VINs several times back in the ‘80s and none of them were registered to insurance companies. Indications are all of them were recovered and sold at insurance auction. </div></div>

[William]

Whatever happened to the Merollis ZL1s occurred in the fall of 1969. By the time of the inquiry the story was already 12 years old so who knows. The story, such as it was, was all five were taken, stripped of their engines/transmissions and other parts and left/dumped someplace. Since they couldn’t be easily moved it is likely they were abandoned wherever they were stripped.

Complicating the issue as new cars they weren’t titled; still on MSO. They were in the possession of the dealer but may have been legally owned by GMAC. Nothing new for them; they probably had thousands of damaged/theft recovered vehicles to process every year. The remains were likely taken to a salvage auction and sold; the new owner gets the MSO. From there who knows? At least two of them were reconstructed and legally registered. The other three may have gone to salvage yards, never to be titled or registered. They would be eventually parted out and destroyed. Maybe one was made into a race car also never titled. Stolen cars that are not recovered are titled to the insurance company that paid the claim and now legally owns them. #43 was stolen in 1972 and is still titled to an insurance company. Three of the Merollis ZL1s had no registration last I checked. That is not to say they were never registered; they just were not at that time. Expired registrations drop off after a few years. There is a difference between title and registration; I do not know if the searches I did looked for both but #43 always came up.

[68l30]

FWIW..I believe #11 was also a theft recovery. Not from Merollis, but it was stolen and recovered. Strange how all these Merollis ZL's got ripped...Easy pickin back then.


BIG

[William]

#11 was a Merollis car.

[68l30]

Correct, I know it was stolen, just can't remember if it was stolen from the Merrolis lot or the service garage...It later showed up with a 350 replacement.


BIG

[camarojoe]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Pulnaway</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has Larry Clains Motion Vett ever been located?
</div></div>

That's a good question... what ever became of that story?

[iluv69s]

I swear I remember hearing somewhere that it was an insurance thing...imagine 5 camaros at 7k each?? tough to sell...

[COPO]

Sounds like an inside job.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: COPO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sounds like an inside job. </div></div>

I thought I heard or read somewhere that Merollis had mob connections. Unless that was a different Merollis Chevrolet.

[69hurstSC]

Is Grumpy's Toy V still around?

http://i62.tinypic.com/34imdy0.jpg

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I can't believe no one has mentioned one of the most famous missing cars of all time.

1965 Z16 Chevelle convertible.

[chevyman0429]

Is there a known vin for this 65 Z16. Any known history

[Mr70]

Thought the Z16 cvt. was reported to be long destroyed by GM.

[JBALL]

One of my favorite missing cars. I believe the car was returned to Dana and sold.

Dale Armstrong's '68 http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-14082-15504-dana.png

[L78racer]

a couple more of the Dana Camaro.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-3824-15505-danadrag.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-3824-15506-dale_armstrong2.jpg

[JBALL]

Awesome pics!<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a couple more of the Dana Camaro.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-3824-15505-danadrag.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-3824-15506-dale_armstrong2.jpg
</div></div>

[chevyman0429]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JBALL</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Awesome pics!<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">a couple more of the Dana Camaro.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-3824-15505-danadrag.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-3824-15506-dale_armstrong2.jpg
</div></div> </div></div>
Is this a 67 or 68. My wife's uncle has got a white 4k camaro hanging from a rotisserie that's been on it since 74. The story I heard was his best friend bought the car raced it then got shot by local police and his parents gave it to his best friend which is my wife's uncle.i need to get over to look a little closer. I was told it was in hot rod magazine in the early 70s. I do know its a white car.

[luzl78]

I think that dana car was yellow.

[Verne_Frantz]

Why don't you call Dale and ask him? He's not hard to reach. (think Budweiser)

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[69hurstSC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio kid</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Joel Rosen's Cobra is also mia </div></div>
http://www.carguychronicles.com/2010/11/427-king-cobra-motion-reunion-in.html

[black69]

there is still one of the missing ZL1s in Chicago area. Its very rough, current owner was contemplating a rebody.

[L78M22Rag]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black69</div><div class="ubbcode-body">there is still one of the missing ZL1s in Chicago area. Its very rough, current owner was contemplating a rebody.




</div></div>

I'd like to buy that car just to keep it in my garage!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thought the Z16 cvt. was reported to be long destroyed by GM.
</div></div>

Jeff Helms tracked the car until the 1980's where ownership went lost.

[ban617]

What about the Hemi killer ? Grumpy's 66 Nova , I would say alot of the cars were tubbed out later in life &amp; still racecars .... Just went to Indy this weekend to the U.S. Nationals &amp; saw a bunch of cool old iron .... Loved that Hemi challenge on friday.....

[300deluxeL79]

grumps red chevy II wrecked on the way home from indy
stripped and sat in a wrecking yard till the '80s, was crushed and recycled.
...last run, final round red light loss to stahl...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-4800-15593-429127_311508772232404_1163167
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-4800-15594-221886_177216015661681_1163167
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-4800-15595-2046472330082607023qkesnm_ph.j

[C1SS396]

How about Jim Morrison’s Shelby GT500 ?

[PLATINUM6BBL]

I have a friend with a roll bar he claims is out of a factory '66 L-88 Corvette race car. Last I talked to him he thought he had located the remnants of the car in central PA.

[69hurstSC]

3rd post in this thread. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C1SS396</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How about Jim Morrison’s Shelby GT500 ? </div></div>

[wagonman]

How many 1963 Z11 Impalas are missing? Wasn't one stolen many years ago and never recovered?

[1971ls6]

I have spoken with one of the guys that was involved in the merolis stolen cars, they ripped off 2 of them, stripped the motors and dumped the cars, all they wanted was the alluminum motors, they both went into drag boats

[Fast67VelleN2O]

What about James Dean's Porsche?

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: wagonman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many 1963 Z11 Impalas are missing? Wasn't one stolen many years ago and never recovered? </div></div>

I met a guy years ago that had a complete Z-11 engine on the stand in the back of an old shed. He said he bought the whole car back in the early 70's, but only wanted the 427. He pulled the motor, sold the rest and never heard anymore about it. Said the car was silver or light blue and came from back west somewhere.

I don't know how much truth there is to the story, but the engine was definitely real.

[69hurstSC]

From the RTS circuit days how about the Sonic Cuda?

http://i57.tinypic.com/xbk4sy.jpg

[4270]

I may still have my Motion Car everyone is looking for ,Joey Mason

[4270]

My car was GREEN then White Then Blue Then Black, OK Joey

[PLATINUM6BBL]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From the RTS circuit days how about the Sonic Cuda?

http://i57.tinypic.com/xbk4sy.jpg </div></div>
Whereabouts are known last I heard but could not be purchased, at any price. That was from Steve J himself.

[1967Z28]

I'd like to know whatever happened to the Jean Claude Killy Camaro.

[Mr70]

Susie Chapstick crashed it.

[1967Z28]

Sacré bleu! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[al8apex]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1971ls6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have spoken with one of the guys that was involved in the merolis stolen cars, they ripped off 2 of them, stripped the motors and dumped the cars, all they wanted was the alluminum motors, they both went into drag boats </div></div>

not someone I would want to hang / associate with ...

[Day2_69Z]

Ahhh...here's a Rumor that's been kicking around Western Pa for the last few years:
The other Grumpy's Toy Nova L79 is alive in ultra Rough shape sitting along side a defunct gas station in New Alexandria, Pa.
Home Town of :
Pittsburgh Raceway Park Originaly known as Keystone Raceway Park
The story goes as this: Jenkins sold the Nova at the end of the Season to this local Gas station operator and raced it for years ,off and on at Keystone unlettered,it was still well known as Grumpy's Toy. Now,decades later,the owner lives hermit like in the closed gas station with a rusted shell of an icon near by. (I believe this may be the white one,not the red candy striped car that was totaled)....... Tim Lopata may know of this &quot;storied rumor&quot; for those wanting to turn over a few stones...... I know of a few people who recall the early history and have seen the remnants, albeit unconfirmed by Grump before his passing of the real story.....Hmmmm any treasure hunters on the site ???

[69hurstSC]

Asking if their are any treasure hunters on the site is like asking if the sky is blue <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: daytwo69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hmmmm any treasure hunters on the site ??? </div></div>

[Day2_69Z]

YEP !!!
Just trying to get one chasing this lead, as I have no interest in doing so.....I can provide a name &amp; number of a Pgh guy who chased it and then ran out of steam upon Grumpy's death. ( he couldn't finish documenting the info)

[Day2_69Z]

FYI....the sky I'm looking at right now is gray....lmao....

[PeteLeathersac]

The Luby 'Boss Lady' Camaro posted a few weeks back...
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/581029/luby-boss-lady-camaro#Post581029
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-2506-15230-lubychevbosslady4.jpg

[JBALL]

That's bad ass Pete.


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: PeteLeathersac</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
The Luby 'Boss Lady' Camaro posted a few weeks back...
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/581029/luby-boss-lady-camaro#Post581029
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/08/full-2506-15230-lubychevbosslady4.jpg
</div></div>

[69hurstSC]

Has this Shelby been located?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1767g0.jpg

[67ssonly]

About the Z16 convertible,I was in tenn. buying some nos 67 chevy 2 otr panels and the guy shows me a 65 chevelle convertible and the motor that he states is a Z16.I didn't think they made any convertible Z16's.He stated that it was one of one,older drag racer,worked for TCI.He gave me a 1982 TCI partcipant shirt from us nationals still in the package.He was building motors for racing,had a engine dyno in the shop, motor cores everywhere.Could it have been real? This was about 2007.I might have his number,I think his name was Danny.

[Terry24]

New Alex isnt that far from me.......would be curious just to see it.........

[x77-69z28]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has this Shelby been located?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1767g0.jpg </div></div>I hope she is still sitting on it!!!!!

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: daytwo69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ahhh...here's a Rumor that's been kicking around Western Pa for the last few years:
The other Grumpy's Toy Nova L79 is alive in ultra Rough shape sitting along side a defunct gas station in New Alexandria, Pa.
Home Town of :
Pittsburgh Raceway Park Originaly known as Keystone Raceway Park
The story goes as this: Jenkins sold the Nova at the end of the Season to this local Gas station operator and raced it for years ,off and on at Keystone unlettered,it was still well known as Grumpy's Toy. Now,decades later,the owner lives hermit like in the closed gas station with a rusted shell of an icon near by. (I believe this may be the white one,not the red candy striped car that was totaled)....... Tim Lopata may know of this &quot;storied rumor&quot; for those wanting to turn over a few stones...... I know of a few people who recall the early history and have seen the remnants, albeit unconfirmed by Grump before his passing of the real story.....Hmmmm any treasure hunters on the site ??? </div></div>

couple picts after jenkins sold it...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-4800-15778-soldgrumpystoy2_1.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-4800-15779-grumpystoy21969.jpg

[Day2_69Z]

:4 gears: <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif
Yep that's it. ...

[GaryC]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has this Shelby been located?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1767g0.jpg </div></div>I hope she is still sitting on it!!!!! </div></div>


What Shelby?... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[britgrnz]

The girl in the picture was a playboy playmate that was killed by her boyfriend I believe.

[69hurstSC]

Incorrect. She died of from a blocked artery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connie_Kreski

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: britgrnz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The girl in the picture was a playboy playmate that was killed by her boyfriend I believe. </div></div>

[PeteLeathersac]

Connie Kreski was a true beauty w/ all original parts, her pink Shelby was a '69 Fastback 428 Auto A/C car.
It's Canadian Playmate Dorothy Stratten that was killed by her estranged husband who then offed himself.

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif
~ Pete


http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-2506-15791-shelby69conniekreskie428.jpg

[earntaz]

Were they FOX bodies back then? Looks like a FOX to me !!!

[LOSTCAMARO]

I REALLY COULD USE EVERYONE HELP I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR MY OLD 68 R/S CAMARO I SOLD THE CAR OUT OF ATLANTA GEORGIA IN 1993 THIS CAR WAS VERY SPECIAL TO ME THE CAR WAS A GIFT FROM MY MOM AND IN 1993 I SOLD THE CAR TO HELP OUT MY FAMILY TO A GENTLEMAN I BELIEVE WAS IN THE MILITARY AT THE TIME IT WAS A 1968 CAMARO R/S 396 4-SPEED THE CAR WAS WHITE WITH BLUE STRIPES AND HAD A 8-TRACK ON THE CONSOLE I HAVE LOST ALL THE PAPER WORK TO THE CAR WHEN MY HOUSE BURNED DOWN I HAVE BEEN DOWN TO THE DMV AND MY OLD INSURANCE CO. AND THERE SAYING THEY CAN ONLY GO BACK 5 YEARS NOW. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-13851-16289-image0_0001new.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-13851-16290-image1_0002new.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2014/09/full-13851-16291-image4_0005new.jpg
IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFORMATION PLEASE CALL ME AT 770-366-2475 THANKS SHANNON

[69hurstSC]

Any more details about the gentleman you sold the car to? Active duty? Stationed where?

Was White the factory color?

[69hurstSC]

His 64/65 Z-11 transplanted Chevelle is unaccounted for as well.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: iluv69s</div><div class="ubbcode-body">how about Malcolm Durham's ZL-1? apparently the block is out there..I suspect the car is still out there(along with other ZL-1's) but so chopped up, it would be hard to ever prove. </div></div>

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69hurstSC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Has this Shelby been located?

http://i58.tinypic.com/1767g0.jpg </div></div>look how the sash is strategically located to cover the naked goods underneath

[69hurstSC]

I setup a Facebook page to help owners with their quest to find their Lost Muscle Cars.
https://www.facebook.com/lostmusclecars

[Mr70]

Nice idea.

[69hurstSC]

As some on the board have known, I've begun writing a book with CarTech titled, <span style="font-style: italic">Lost Muscle Cars</span>. The book will feature 45 stories of cars that have fallen off the map or are missing a significant piece of their history. As most of you know, there's no shortage of significant cars still out there to be discovered.

This book will be handled differently than most in that it will actually be the enthusiasts telling the stories as opposed to a singular author trying to tell all 45 stories. The lineup of cars is a who's who of muscle with 4 distinct categories which are:

1) Rare Muscle Cars
2) Celebrity Owned Muscle
3) Race Cars
4) Prototype/Concept/Show Cars

I have a solid list of cars and stories already submitted but am always looking for more. I'm also looking for a candidate willing to write the story of the stolen Merollis Chevrolet ZL1's and the attempts to locate/document them.

Also, I'm short on stories of missing Oldsmobile's, Mercury's &amp; Buick's. Each story is roughly 1,500 words in length and would need 2-3 accompanying images provided with rights granted by the owner/photographer. If you would like to contribute to this book please feel free to inbox me and I can discuss additional details with you. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[Carleen]

Here is someone who claims that he has Grumpys 68 Camaro and are saying that is the same Car as Grumpys 67 Camaro

http://drag.racersreunion.com/profile/VickiRossBolla

[cook_dw]

That would be great if it was the Grump's 68.. But at this point I am not buying it.. Is there a story to how he/she came to own it? All I see is photos of what the car looks like now and them saying; &quot;this is our car 45 years ago..&quot;

Interesting...

[Verne_Frantz]

I saw the photos and videos but couldn't find any text with claims.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Day2_69Z]

Funny thing is , for years the car was reported to be in the Pittsburgh area. ....the post refers Vicky from Pgh,Pa.

A few things.....period pics that have been posted here on this site before, show the oblong cut on the wheel openings similar to the posted pics clean stripped.
The Traction bars in actual pics of the car show them as Square tubing long bars in Lakewood Yellow with Traction Action &amp; Decals.
These pixs show crew names.
The wheelie bars (SRD) are identical to the first Vega &amp; 70 Camaro Pro Stocks. The 68, which Jenkins kept for quite awhile never had wheelie bars during '68/'69 ......maybe added in 70 or later...
The #'s matching M22 case is suspect....as his racing trans were heavily modified Pro-Shifted internally.and damaged/rebuilt/modified/upgraded and Extrenely abused. Not impossible, but it could've been shelved at one time.

One thing for sure, judging the pics only...
is....there are alot of signs pointing to this '68 being the car.The Cage is similar to what I've seen in many publications from SS &amp; early Pro Stock days.
The car does have a 12 Bolt and NOT a DANA 60.

To Bad we don't see pics as the car was acquired and stages of stripping......
Maybe she has pics....
Verne , are you able to contact them via the site the pics appeared on ?

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Verne_Frantz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I saw the photos and videos but couldn't find any text with claims.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif </div></div>

Below the pics are captions referring to GRUMPS CAR....Grump, this and that....777 on 1/4 panel...
Name on Door etc.

[Carleen]

The same person who calls himself Grumpy at this forum http://www.dogfightmag.com/forum/showthread.php?642-Grumpy-Jenkins-1968-Camaro-Grumpy-s-Toy-IV/page3 says

grumpys 68 camaro



we painted,and installed the wheelie bars today.the only other thing is to install the new brakes and drums on the rear end(didn't get the original rear with the car). The under chassis will be finished. Then some paint work on the body and ready for stickers and name decals . after that a skimpy interior. Dale PS I do have a VIN Match That this is grumpy's 68 car 'the lost car'

[Verne_Frantz]

Don't know. I have very little experience posting on that site. I'd have to find &quot;Vicky&quot;. I'll look into it.
Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Day2_69Z]

Another note:.
I do believe Grumpy's '68 was an original SS 396 375 Horse L78......in White.
Rumors had it as an L89 Aluminum Head car which I believe as false.
Not all of his &quot;Toys&quot; Came from Chevy in White.
I'm pretty sure this may have came from Am on R Smith as a purchased car via Chevrolet and not a &quot;Loaner&quot; car as previous cars were.

He did race this car for years with Many different Engines in both Cast Iron, aluminum heads and Aluminum BB along with Small Blocks much later.
It was a Class Car in at least 2 sanctioning bodies AND a Match Racer where you Run what you Bring.

There are alot of guys on this site with Tons of Documents in pics, knowledge and hands on info if they are willing to chime in.
Albeit, there are some &quot;still looking for his cars&quot; that will remain Mum on any and all Factual info they have.
I'm just a hobbyist interested in the history and speculating this is real or not doesn't come into play unless I was lucky enough to say.... I have the Car !

[cook_dw]

Pics from the dogfight forum.



http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-1263-28223-grumpy55.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-1263-28224-ggggg.jpg

[cook_dw]

More

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-1263-28225-1509071_10201642965824374_8091

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-1263-28226-1966773_10201642965904376_1493

[markjohnson]

Per that last Grumpy book, it is stated that this car was originally yellow and then re-painted White very shortly afterwards. IF this is the original car, it is a very significant car. This would be the car that defeated Ronnie Sox at the very 1st Pro Stock race in Pomona in early 1970.

[William]

When JM did the '69 Camaro book in 1993 he visited with Grumpy to show him the feature on Dave Strickler. Grumpy handed him several folders with paperwork from his race cars. I recall the '69 Camaro paperwork: dealer invoice and window sticker. It was a Dover White L78 and did not come from Ammon R. Smith Chevrolet. They must have had other dealerships.

The Jenkins family probably has much if not all the paperwork for his race cars.

[Day2_69Z]

William,
Yes, the 69 Car was White.
There was a lot of magazine and National Dragster print in 69 on that BB SS CAR.

We are referring to the '68 though.
Some of his previous cars didn't come to him with titles either.......
If it was yellow,then is that Yellow I see on the 68 Cowl panel in the pics posted above ?
Or Sikkens high build priner/sealer ?

I wasn't aware of its Yellow origins. ..but I did know only very few of his cars came factory white.

Another thing to note, that Jenkins was quite frugal and not big on pristine condition unscathed cars.
He was a Racer. Not into &quot;show cars&quot;

[William]

Point being is there is endless speculation on Jenkins cars. We can sit here and BS about them or someone can get in touch with the family and possibly learn the truth. Your call.

[Day2_69Z]

So very true . .

Agree 100%

[DW31S]

I have a friend who tells me he saw Jenkins at Cecil County in the '68 car. My friend has been a &quot;car&quot; guy (in the car business&quot; for quite some time (40 years). Says he watched the Grump do a burnout out, open the door and hang his head down while backing up (I can envision it plain as the nose on my face). Now, what surprises my friend is this: the car was white with yellow door jambs.

[Day2_69Z]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DW31S</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have a friend who tells me he saw Jenkins at Cecil County in the '68 car. My friend has been a &quot;car&quot; guy (in the car business&quot; for quite some time (40 years). Says he watched the Grump do a burnout out, open the door and hang his head down while backing up (I can envision it plain as the nose on my face). Now, what surprises my friend is this: the car was white with yellow door jambs. </div></div>


You mean like this?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-1263-28229-68_grumpy_camaro_1.jpg

[luzl78]

That door jam is yellow.

[427TJ]

Butternut Yellow! Yeah baby!

[cook_dw]

Back to post about the newly found Grumpy 68.. Im still not 100% sold its the same car..

Does anyone know for a fact who got the car after Heavy? And the year?

[Day2_69Z]

100% ?
I feel the only way we will know is by VIN. ID.

I live just outside of Pgh and am willing to look into this as deep as I can.

To be continued.

[old5.0]

The problem is that Heavy had several Camaros and there are several stories surrounding each car. Did anyone talk to Heavy before he passed away?

[69hurstSC]

Well, if it turns out to be the case that the car is indeed &quot;Found&quot; I'll have some updating to do in the book :-)

[69hurstSC]

Reposting the pic Darrell had in his post. Definitely appears to be Butternut on the cowl of the suspected car.

http://i60.tinypic.com/wrdxxx.jpg

[69hurstSC]

Any resolution as to whether or not it's the same car?

[Carleen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another note:.
I do believe Grumpy's '68 was an original SS 396 375 Horse L78......in White.
Rumors had it as an L89 Aluminum Head car which I believe as false.
Not all of his &quot;Toys&quot; Came from Chevy in White.
I'm pretty sure this may have came from Am on R Smith as a purchased car via Chevrolet and not a &quot;Loaner&quot; car as previous cars were.

He did race this car for years with Many different Engines in both Cast Iron, aluminum heads and Aluminum BB along with Small Blocks much later.
It was a Class Car in at least 2 sanctioning bodies AND a Match Racer where you Run what you Bring.

There are alot of guys on this site with Tons of Documents in pics, knowledge and hands on info if they are willing to chime in.
Albeit, there are some &quot;still looking for his cars&quot; that will remain Mum on any and all Factual info they have.
I'm just a hobbyist interested in the history and speculating this is real or not doesn't come into play unless I was lucky enough to say.... I have the Car !
</div></div>

Vicki is saying that

777 on rear chevy logo and Gr by door handle.note the car started life as a 67 and converted to a 68 by gluing a side marker on Q panel. I have the proof right here.


In that case it shall have 67 VIN

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/Nikkewi/2f0e65b101ffbb0fcacc89650905559e_zpsincifhe5.jpg

[William]

Jenkins' '67 Camaro still exists largely in original condition. I believe the family he sold it to still owns it. He made an appearance with it at a show a few years before he passed away.

It's still a '67.

[mssl72]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Vicki is saying that

777 on rear chevy logo and Gr by door handle.note the car started life as a 67 and converted to a 68 by gluing a side marker on Q panel. I have the proof right here.


In that case it shall have 67 VIN
</div></div>

So it would sorta physically appear as a '68 with a wing window, while actually being a '67??

[Day2_69Z]

I looked through archival pics of both the 67 &amp; 68 cars from various times of each year and post years. ...
The 777 appeared as pictured above ONLY on the 67 model (on the Quarter Panels)
68 car had the # on the door, door glass &amp; C pillar (Quarter sail)

So....what's going on . ..?
A converted 67......
The &quot;Origunal&quot; 67,,,,,, supposedly...that is with 2nd Owners

A 68 that someone cloned or fudged years before the current owners got it ???
After all,,,, they've only had this car for 12 years.

Illusion of past ownership in a sellers story is becoming clearer, if its a fudged car, years ago.

[L78racer]

former Grumpy car?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28437-extoy.jpg

[old5.0]

Grump's 67 lived here in the KC area for decades, and was recently sold by the same folks who bought it from the Man himself back in the day. It and the 68 in question are absolutely <span style="font-style: italic">not </span> the same car.

[cook_dw]

L78racer - Do you know the date of that photo?

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">former Grumpy car?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28437-extoy.jpg
</div></div>

Pretty sure that was a different car. That's a 68, I believe, and there was a story going around about it being a Harrell car originally before it was purchased sans engine and trans and converted to full time track duty. Dunno if that's bs or not, but I'm pretty sure the Kimball's were involved in two different Camaros, the Grumpy car and that one.

[Day2_69Z]

That's NOT a Grumpy Car,,, its a &quot;Customer&quot; ...of JENKINS COMPETITION. . ...A Modified Production Car that competed in through mid 1970's.
Notice the &quot;Wrinkle Wall GY's.
Not out yet for consumption in '67.

Lots of Early SS &amp; Pro Stocks from '67 &amp; '68 went into M/P As most WERE NOT Competitive in 69-70 SS or Pro Stock......M/P Wars were Wicked with 12,000 RPM 287, 292 &amp; 301 SBC's. on Roller cams of 600 lifts. .very exotic buzz bombs.

And Tons of BB's running 470-488 inches...

[Salvatore]

Grump's 67 was restored by the Kimball Bros. in the 67 race trim and was featured at Carlisle a few years back.

[L78racer]

i do not know the date on the photo. i was just going by the 'record holder' lettering on the front fender and the stickers. no Camaro script on either car.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28458-grumpram.jpg

[PeteLeathersac]

Diggin' the pics!
Above w/ Joe Tryson and the '67 car in 1968, is the Grump car in the background maybe the '68 car also if so, the '67 &amp; '68 cars in the same pic?
Is it know if da Grump's '68 was originally an RS or not also what of the Dogfight car's TT?
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[cook_dw]

Great pics. Interesting intake..

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">former Grumpy car?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28437-extoy.jpg
</div></div>

it is indeed jenkin's '67 camaro, note the door vent windows, kimball bros added marker lamps (actually has '69 amber frt lamps) that were later removed when restored.
'67 with RS nose..
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-4800-28465-aaaearly67.jpg

[old5.0]

^^^ Pretty sure these are not the same car. Kimball's had two, the Grumpy 67 and the (supposed) Harrell 68. A guy named Hill was partner on the 68, and that looks like his name on the quarter panel. I'd bet that the car pictured is the 68, not the 67.

[Carleen]

This is getting very confusing

[L78racer]

ex '68 Toy? Butternut inside trunk/

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28473-ex_68_toy.jpg

[Carleen]

Same Number

http://www.camaro.nu/images/img_gen_info/img_1968_001.jpg

[markinnaples]

Man, those two look close...

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ex '68 Toy? Butternut inside trunk/

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28473-ex_68_toy.jpg
</div></div>

yup, the '68 camaro, was yellow when jenkins received it.
this picture was taken early '72

[cook_dw]

Can anyone get a hold of Vicki (current owner of the possible grumpy 68) and have her or them get on here and post more pictures?

[PeteLeathersac]

Looks like Vicki's on da Grump F'book page...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bill-Grumpy-Jenkins/116316768418273
More great pics there including the cool Chuck Carman drawing below...just like the cars we used to draw on our books back in 'high' school.
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-2506-28493-image.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-2506-28494-image.jpg

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300deluxeL79</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: L78racer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">ex '68 Toy? Butternut inside trunk/

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28473-ex_68_toy.jpg
</div></div>

yup, the '68 camaro, was yellow when jenkins received it.
this picture was taken early '72</div></div>

Where was the pic taken, by whom .....is this a known public photo ?
Those 2 pics share known , visible decals in the exact places.....I was actually surprised to see its the same '68 car.....Cool !!!!!

[300deluxeL79]

picture was taken at jenkins shop, when the new owners were picking up the '69 camaro, couple more from that same group of pictures...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-4800-28496-aa69inshopfront.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-4800-28497-aatoyiixonrack.jpg

[300deluxeL79]

new owners of the '69 at indy...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-4800-28498-aawallace_26_silman.jpg

[Carleen]

Vicki Bollas Picture from FB

http://i517.photobucket.com/albums/u331/Nikkewi/11541011_10204484700305960_5960859922528645716_n_z psiaije597.jpg

[PeteLeathersac]

Any more updates?
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-2506-28748-image.jpg

[Carleen]

I have tried to contact Vicki on FB, Drag Racer Reunion but no respond

[PeteLeathersac]

Just checkin' back for updates again.
A couple good Jenkins links below...
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

1968 Interview &amp; Action - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai3cnc-77ZE

Pics of Grumpy Toys - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uGQQC_lnBB4

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Carleen</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have tried to contact Vicki on FB, Drag Racer Reunion but no respond </div></div>

for a few years now, she/they have been telling anyone who will listen, that they have jenkins '68 camaro <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

[1967Z28]

10-12 years ago there was a Vicki and Dale from the same area and they said they had the first Z-28. They said it was a Penske/Grumpy Camaro. Somehow a collaboration of the two. It was red and that was Roger's favorite color so that legitimized it in their opinion. Left front brake drum (Yes, brake drum) had yellow &quot;LF&quot; painted on it like you would see from a junkyard. They said the LF stood for GM Engineer Lou Faux. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

I think that pretty should much give you an idea of the &quot;legitimacy&quot; of this '68.

[L78racer]

In the '68 Nationals video, notice the in-car is Bill driving a '68 Camaro. (No vent window and '68 Camaro interior door trim panel)
That footage was shot at a different time? Did he have a '68 Camaro also at the '68 Nats?

[PeteLeathersac]

A few pages back I mentioned it looked like the '68 car in the background of the '67 @ the '68 'Nats pic and if so, the '67 and '68 cars seen in the same shot?
Here's the pic again below also one of the '68 car, note the Fram decals in the 1/4 window as the '68 and '69 cars had.
Seems like lots of the '68 and '69 cars in one shot but what else can anyone come up w/ of the '67 and '68 pictured together?

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-3824-28458-grumpram.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-2506-29109-image.jpg

[LIBoomer]

The picture is of the original 67 SS/C, Toy III. It morphed into the A/MP (late 68),as seen in the picture. It was taken at the 68 World Finals. This was its last race before being sold to the Kimballs. The 68 SS/C Camaro is the car you see behind it. The driving footage is the 68 SS/C at the World Finals. The footage of the car pulling to the line is Toy III at the Nats. The frame shot is Toy IV as a B/G at the 69 Nats. It went on to become a match race car and then a Pro Stock car in early 70. Both powered by the 430 ci. Can Am motor. Bill tracked the car down in Jersey in the early 2ks. But it was pretty beat up by then. The 68 Camaro was a Butternut Yellow, L89 when new. Then painted white. It appears to me that the 67 and 68 were both Buternut Yellow when new.(post 618795). I'm seeing the 68 in the Grumpy's Toy's book, at the Worlds as a fresh SS/C being Butternut Yellow(page 79). Bills wearing a white shirt and the white 68 Nova fender is in the shoot.If someone with the book could confirm, I'd feel better. L78racers picture(post 618907) is Toy IV as a washed up P/Stock probably with running gear removed waiting for a new owner.(Bills name also removed) It was taken a Bills shop.

[LIBoomer]

Compare that picture with the picture of Bills shop in 300deluxe79s post(618956) Same shop wall! (Notice also the NED sticker on the wall and Toy IVs rear quarter) So sometime after 72? the car went to Jersey or Brooklyn? Jenkins wanted it back and found it there early 2000s. Looks like there were absolutely one 67, and one 68 Camaro. I assume the true whereabouts of the 67 are known. If so, the story about finding the 777 car is not true. And the question remains, where is the 68 Toy IV?

[300deluxeL79]

those shop pictures were late '71/early '72. pictures were taken by the new owners of the '69 camaro. jenkins had used the '69 car to test the vega sm/blk combinations in the fall of '71. here is a shot of him testing at cecil county...

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-4800-29121-aaafall71.jpg

[cook_dw]

Anyone else see this?

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/features/ca...-jenkins-toy-iv (http://www.chevyhardcore.com/features/car-features/the-grumpyest-of-camaros-jenkins-toy-iv/?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=the-grumpyest-of-camaros-jenkins-toy-iv)

[1967Z28]

I'd like to see these guys go to Roger Penske and tell him this story. He would laugh in their face. Grumpy hung up on them because their story was completely untrue.

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anyone else see this?

http://www.chevyhardcore.com/features/ca...-jenkins-toy-iv (http://www.chevyhardcore.com/features/car-features/the-grumpyest-of-camaros-jenkins-toy-iv/?utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=the-grumpyest-of-camaros-jenkins-toy-iv) </div></div>

doug emailed this to me earlier today <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/bs.gif

[markinnaples]

Too funny, I was just communicating with the wife, Vicki, on Facebook last week.

Their shop is only about 15 minutes from where I grew up and she invited me to stop by and check it out.

[PeteLeathersac]

Same Dale and Vicki as in Dale's Autobody Baldwin PA building a '68 Jenkins recreation in this old Camaros.net thread?
http://www.camaros.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-139965.html

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif
~ Pete

[William]

Jerry MacNeishs' '69 book features an 8 page tribute to Dave Strickler. Jerry visited &quot;Da Grump&quot; to present him with a copy. Jenkins graciously signed several copies which Jerry provided to those that helped with the book. He then opened a drawer and handed Jerry a folder containing factory paperwork for many of his race cars. I recall paperwork for the '68 Nova and '69 Pro Camaro. The w/s for the '69 was in the folder. There is good probability paperwork for the '68 Camaro was also in the folder. Perhaps the Jenkins family still has this paperwork.

If you really want to put this to rest, contact the Jenkins family and explain what is going on.

[simpleman]

The one thing about Dale &amp; Vicki's car there is no mention of any signs of orange paint. Brooklyn Heavy painted this car orange when he bought it from Jenkins. All that is talked about is Butternut Yellow &amp; white paint. You would think there would be some orange somewhere. Also the picture of the 69 car in the shop is from 1970 sometime. Pennzoil sticker on fender/Cragar sticker on 1/4 panel was 1969/1970. Jenkins switched Pennzoil sticker to 1/4 panel/Cragar sticker to fender for 1971 season.

[300deluxeL79]

jenkins '68 was last known to have gone to georgia in '79, car had been back halved, RS nose removed....

[69hurstSC]

Plenty of cars to chase down out there. There are hundreds listed here. https://www.facebook.com/lostmusclecars/?ref=bookmarks

[bluel78]

Was it possible for the missing Jenkins car to have air conditioning originally? Any guess what month it was built?

[markinnaples]

Has it been definitively determined that the '68 Camaro being represented as a Grumpy's Toy outside Pittsburgh is not the real deal?

They surely are pushing it as an original Grumpy's Toy.

[DW31S]

Doesn’t Dana Mecum own the real ‘68?

[RobR]

Dana Mecum owns the 67 car Grumpy’s Toy 3

[68l30]

Has it been definitively determined that the '68 Camaro being represented as a Grumpy's Toy outside Pittsburgh is not the real deal?

They surely are pushing it as an original Grumpy's Toy.

I'd like to think "my" minds made up on this one.. :bs:


BIG

[Red Baron]

I made up this list because, like most, I used to get very confused by the Jenkins cars.

Its not made any easier by him using the same entry# at a couple of meets.

Pic shows the 779 Toy IV 396cui/375hp car at 69 Winters running SS/D. If it had been 68 it would be SS/C.

777 entry - Toy III - 67 Spring Nats
777 entry - Toy III - 67 Nationals (Not to be confused with 777 Toy VI (69) or Pro Stock 68 car/70 Winters)
789 entry -Toy III - 68 Winters
700 entry - Toy III - 68 Indy
779 entry - Toy IV - 69 Winters
797 entry - Toy IV - 68 Spring
709 entry - Toy VI - 69 Nats
776 entry - Toy VI -
100 entry - Toy VI -
777 entry - Toy VI -

[Too Many Projects]

I've heard/read stories over the years that he converted the '67 to look like a '68 body to avoid starting over with another identical car for the '68 season.

Is that false, did he convert it back later to sell ???

[Pro Stock John]

Where is Grumpy's Nova?

[Red Baron]

I've heard/read stories over the years that he converted the '67 to look like a '68 body to avoid starting over with another identical car for the '68 season.

Is that false, did he convert it back later to sell ???

There’s a lot of debate over the 67/68 cars - I have also read that the 67 was ‘updated’ to build Toy IV.

HOWEVER - this picture appears to debunk that idea - it shows Toy III in the foreground......with a ‘vented’ hood Camaro with Jenkins signwriting on the trunk lip behind it - so he clearly had TWO 67/8s.

Toy V can just be seen off to the right.

The presence of Toy 5 rules out any chance of the ‘777’ car being the 68 Pro Stocker from 1970 (which also used ‘777’) - so the picture is clearly around 1968.

So the evidence shows they were two different cars it seems. :dunno:

[69hurstSC]

Rockin' Randall's Camaro would be a keeper if ever found.

https://i.ibb.co/gWCsz9K/3eafb5b5c70fa9ec95067c35bd101f9c.jpg

[RALLY]

There’s a lot of debate over the 67/68 cars - I have also read that the 67 was ‘updated’ to build Toy IV.

HOWEVER - this picture appears to debunk that idea - it shows Toy III in the foreground......with a ‘vented’ hood Camaro with Jenkins signwriting on the trunk lip behind it - so he clearly had TWO 67/8s.

Toy V can just be seen off to the right.

The presence of Toy 5 rules out any chance of the ‘777’ car being the 68 Pro Stocker from 1970 (which also used ‘777’) - so the picture is clearly around 1968.

So the evidence shows they were two different cars it seems. :dunno:

Jenkins 68 Camaro won him a lot of money according to Bill in a interview.

[Pro Stock John]

III: Dana Mecum owns it now, strong provenance
IV: Jenkins sold to Brooklyn Heavy, car might have been painted purple and might still be out there

Boyce has a really good book about Grumpy's cars. He avoided delving into theories that can't be verified regarding what happened to IV and 1-2 of the other cars.

[William]

How about the Schmidts beer ZL-1?

[bergy]

III: Dana Mecum owns it now, strong provenance
IV: Jenkins sold to Brooklyn Heavy, car might have been painted purple and might still be out there

Boyce has a really good book about Grumpy's cars. He avoided delving into theories that can't be verified regarding what happened to IV and 1-2 of the other cars.

Any pictures of IV in purple?

[Pro Stock John]

Best to contact Doug Boyce (via FB would work he reads his messages). He's a real historian on Jenkin's cars, their final status and/or the trail of owners and rumors.

[69hurstSC]

Doug's great. He's got a brand new book out on the history of the AHRA.

[RALLY]

Have purchased many of Doug's performance books about Jenkins. Great read.

[Keith Seymore]

Any pictures of IV in purple?

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https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=74886&highlight=Brooklyn+Heavy&page=15

[bergy]

I watched the video twice & didn’t see a purple 67 Camaro. Maybe it’s on the full length version?

[Carleen]

68 Toy IV

[Pro Stock John]

Thanks Carleen for the pics. Is this car still out there?

[bergy]

Thanks :-)

[bergy]

I was looking for this purple car.

[PeteLeathersac]

How about the Schmidts beer ZL-1?

Is the Vin confirmed which ZL1 the Schmidt’s Beer car was/is?
Racer Bob Litchko purchased it at Degnan Chev Philly, more pics etc as this thread…
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=140935

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[William]

No, still not known which car it was.

The Schmidts sponsorship was announced for the '71 season; the Degnan's ad is dated Sept '70. It's known that Penske DX'd a few of his; Degnan's was not a re-distribution dealer. That makes #44 N618396 FG 4-speed the leading candidate. Someone had its engine years ago; chassis still unknown.

[RichSchmidt]

Where is Grumpy's Nova?

If you are asking about the 68 Nova it was destroyed in a garage fire when the 2nd owner had it.

[69hurstSC]

Here's a lost LS6 for everyone.https://www.facebook.com/lostmusclecars/posts/pfbid02oaMzYbKV7PxcRZmZEdnUpgia3JaGV7vK4VySfWqFN42 ZWQH98hsNiJ8rQHhkBS55l