Barrett Jackson is on fire

[GTO_DON]

Every car so far on a Tuesday is over 200-300 THOUSAND.
WHERE'S ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM?

[cook_dw]

Why is it every time a Camaro is coming up on the block they go to a commercial.. Or is it just me?

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Ha! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif I thought you meant it literally, that the place was burning down and only $200-$300k cars were on fire.... It's been a long day....

[Denis]

Hey Darrell, you can stream the auction live on your computer, commercial free:

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/6833132/events/3716591

PS: Works on my iPhone too!

[Fast67VelleN2O]

Was the silver Yenko Deuce that sold real at $75k?

[GTO_DON]

Did anyone see how much the 61 SD Catalina sold for ?

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Darrell, you can stream the auction live on your computer, commercial free:

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/6833132/events/3716591

PS: Works on my iPhone too! </div></div>

Nice! Thanks for the heads up!

[markjohnson]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did anyone see how much the 61 SD Catalina sold for ? </div></div>

$75K

[Bill Pritchard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Denis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey Darrell, you can stream the auction live on your computer, commercial free:

http://new.livestream.com/accounts/6833132/events/3716591

PS: Works on my iPhone too! </div></div>

Thanks from me, too, Denis, as B-J website appears to be having problems. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Lynn]

Hmmm. South Park says John Edwards is the biggest douche in the universe.

[GTO_DON]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did anyone see how much the 61 SD Catalina sold for ? </div></div>

$75K </div></div>Thanks

[Lynn]

What is with the girls in red formals?

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What is with the girls in red formals? </div></div>

They hold the car show display signs if there is one with the car.

[John]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Fast67VelleN2O</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was the silver Yenko Deuce that sold real at $75k? </div></div>

.... according to the Barret Jackson description....

Lot #2054 ..... sold for $82,500.00 *

This silver Yenko Nova Vin #114270W352754

&quot;This car has been re-bodied. &quot;

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Yes, the silver deuce is a rebody. I wonder who bought it?

[Mr70]

$190,000.00 for a Model A circus pickup wagon Tuesday evening.
They also announced that so far the total for memorabilia sold is $4.9 million.
I don't know what's more absurd,10K for the fantasy Shell sign or 250K for that fake Beverly Hillbillies car.You could have bought a real classic Packard or Cadillac for that.

[markinnaples]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every car so far on a Tuesday is over 200-300 THOUSAND.
WHERE'S ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM? </div></div>

Honestly and in my opinion, when I was talking to the wife last night about B-J I told her I thought this was going to be a banner year there for high prices. Maybe not prior to the bust, but the economy is getting stronger (in spite of govt actions and really just on the backs of regular Americans being sick of the economic doldrums, IMO) and people are a little more optimistic. I just had a feeling the bucks would be flowing there this year.

[1969L78Nova]

Or perhaps B-J has been serving more alcohol this year

[PeteLeathersac]

Low interest $ available and minimal returns for those w/ funds to invest helps loosen up money usually held tighter...add liquor also world events of late = spend and let's all enjoy life while we can?

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif
~ Pete

[427TJ]

Guess the Pratt cars had a lot to do with Tuesday's higher prices, according to the Velocity commentators.

Tonight a nice stock/orange '71 454 Corvette gets just past 30K and then a &quot;rat rod&quot; '71 Chevy short bed, with actual rust holes, gets 30K. I'm sure I am missing something here!

Nice to have Steve Magnante commenting on the cars.

[BJCHEV396]

I like the commentary better this year.They got rid of 4 on air staff that I didn't like much.Magnante and Joy are great!They really know their stuff.

[nova7579]

Mike Joy is even worse at BJ than he is on the NASCAR telecasts.
Brian

[markinnaples]

I can't believe the prices those rat rods are bringing, ugh.

[twertsy]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969L78Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or perhaps B-J has been serving more alcohol this year </div></div>

Ya think? &quot;XYZ PDQ&quot;......... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-13224-20398-oops.jpg

[supercomp 8.90]

I like this live feed its like you are there! no tv bullcrap! thanks for the leed!

[68l30]

^ This....Much more enjoyable but....it puts me right to sleep!

BIG

[cook_dw]

lol somebody left their barn door open. Definitely too much to drink and/or smoke...


Oh and another guy way in the back is photo booming..

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">lol
Oh and another guy way in the back is photo booming.. </div></div>

He's smiling because he's the bartender. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: twertsy</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969L78Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Or perhaps B-J has been serving more alcohol this year </div></div>

Ya think? &quot;XYZ PDQ&quot;......... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-13224-20398-oops.jpg
</div></div>

The land of conspicuous consumption.

[427TJ]

Any thoughts on the Pratt '69 &quot;Motion&quot; LS-7 Camaro? Daytona Yellow, looks cool.

[ds1]

Not going to watch any this year. Tired of the BS and hype. Yes Pratt has a nice collection, he has the money. There are other cars there other than his. And most of all its the Ford show because they sponsor it. How many times have you waited for a car to come up and they go to commercial. Or if a Ford is going at a low price Steve Davis steps in and opens his mouth. Tired of this nonsense. There are a few cars truly worth a million dollars and NONE of them are our beloved muscle cars. Sorry

[WILMASBOYL78]

[quote=cook_dw]lol somebody left their barn door open. Definitely too much to drink and/or smoke...

My grandfather had a great line when he saw someone with the barn door open...

&quot;don't worry if it can't get up..it can't get out&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[Day2_69Z]

67 Z/28 cowl plenum,headers X drag car, complete resto , stalled at $80,000.....Steve Jackson &amp; J.McNiesh spoke....... sold for $180,000....+ buyers fee

[427TJ]

Didn't that happen with the Super Snake in 2007? Bidding stalled in the 1.5 million area, Shelby told some stories and off it went?

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nova7579</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike Joy is even worse at BJ than he is on the NASCAR telecasts.
Brian </div></div>

Mike Joy may be a fantastic human being, but his blatant screw ups, on practically every car, are like nails on a chalkboard. You can almost hear Magnante's eyes roll.

[69hurstSC]

Joy's not that bad. I thoroughly enjoy his commentary.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nova7579</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Mike Joy is even worse at BJ than he is on the NASCAR telecasts.
Brian </div></div>

Mike Joy may be a fantastic human being, but his blatant screw ups, on practically every car, are like nails on a chalkboard. You can almost hear Magnante's eyes roll. </div></div>

[Norm reynolds]

How many times do they mention Barrett-Jackson
Now they have Barrett -jackson car wax
Give me a break I tired to watch BUT this has
Become a Circus I just turned it off
It was getting my nerves with all of the bs

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Norm reynolds</div><div class="ubbcode-body">How many times do they mention Barrett-Jackson
Now they have Barrett -jackson car wax
Give me a break I tired to watch BUT this has
Become a Circus I just turned it off
It was getting my nerves with all of the bs </div></div>

They jumped the shark a long time ago. Now I consider it an insult when someone calls a car, a &quot;Barrett Jackson quality&quot; car.

Yes, those inane comments drive me nuts. Like when they ramble on about how is it possible that a cross ram, JL8 Z/28 could possible go for only $50,000...as I am screaming at the TV: THAT&quot;S BECAUSE IT'S A CLONE WITH NO REAL PAPERWORK AND A QUICKLY PAINT JOB THAT IS STILL WET....

I DVR the coverage and then fast forward through the crapola. I watched the 3 hour episodes an about 30 minutes. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[Schonyenko2]

You might say it's a little like the WWF of car auctions.

[BJCHEV396]

Just turn the sound off and look at the cars...that's what I do sometimes when I get tired of the hype.But on a good note,our favorite B-J guy S.Davis, has his own line of sunglasses.

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schonyenko2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You might say it's a little like the WWF of car auctions. </div></div>

What's that old saying about TV wrasslin'? &quot;The wrestling's fake but the checks are real&quot;. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[classicgary]

i think P.T. Barnum said it right..............

[StealthBird]

I too just DVR the thing and fast forward. I stop and watch the cars I'm interested in, and cringe at the comments the commentators make.

Did anyone notice how Mike Joy seems to touch something on every single car? Steve Magnante is a true car guy, he points to items or features, but does not make physical contact. Mike Joy is one of those guys that rubs, picks, or strokes every part of the car he's talking about. Obviously, Mike Joy doesn't understand car guy etiquette. He's probably one those guys that walks into an art museum and touches a painting as he describes what he likes and doesn't like about it.

There was an old pre-war oil/grease delivery truck that had an over-the-top museum quality resto, and when the camera hit Mike Joy, he mentioned where the supplies were kept on the truck. He grabbed the huge slider latch on the back door of the truck and tried to open it (?#!@#), but it wouldn't budge. He said it must have been painted shut. Seriously? The paint job on the latch and slider assembly was show quality, perfectly aligned, and I'm sure had never been opened.

I stopped my DVR to watch a 1969 Trans Am on the block. I shook my head as the commentators once again got everything wrong. They said this one had the &quot;rare optional Ram Air III engine&quot; (that was the standard engine), that all 69 Trans Am's were white with Lucerne Blue stripes (they're not Lucerne Blue), and they pointed to the repop window sticker and said the Trans Am option added $400 to the price of a 69 Firebird. The Trans Am option added over $1000 to the price of a Firebird, they were looking at what the Trans Am option consisted of. On top of that, the Trans Am they were talking about was supposed to be a low mileage original, but had obviously been restored. They missed painting the wing pedestals blue, it had a completely incorrect gray master cylinder, was missing the power steering cooling line, and the seats were obviously a new material as they didn't match the door panels.

Oh well, I still enjoy watching, but just with the DVR... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[427TJ]

Lotta' cars have the modern chrome steel American five-spokes. Otherwise nice car with yawn cheap-looking wheels.

[bergy]

Anybody know what happened with the red '70 LS6 Chevelle convertible @ $150k?????

[bigsixman]

Who is the dark haired buyer in the balcony from Florida that has purchased several cars? I have seen him on BJ tv coverage before. He has purchased everything from muscle cars to heavy cars of the 50s. I believe they mentioned that he has an auto museum.

[HO455]

Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-442-CONVERTIBLE-181077

I loved the 1969 Trans Am Prototype – I saw it at the Muscle Car Nationals and it was incredible. It should have pulled a lot more. But many of these rich guys it seems only care about the convertibles.

[flyingn]

Thorton does some nice work.. See their cars all over around here..

[Norm reynolds]

That's what I thought Steve the camaro was a clone
And now we have Richard from
Gas monkey morons roming around this has become the wff of car
Auctions for sure
And what I dont get Wayne Carini has always stated he does not do business with B/J
And now he's there????

[markinnaples]

Been out all evening, how has the money on Ron Pratt's cars been?

[SBR]

The Howard Hughes 53 Buick that he paid 1.5 million for just sold for 100K. Ouch!

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Been out all evening, how has the money on Ron Pratt's cars been? </div></div>

Many have not met reserve or have sold for less than what he paid for them.

Pratt bought the Super Snake for 5.5 mil and bidding only went up to 4.7-did not meet reserve.

He paid 4 million for the Futureliner and then had it restored ( I would say another 1 mil easily) and it only sold for 4 mil

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Howard Hughes 53 Buick that he paid 1.5 million for just sold for 100K. Ouch! </div></div>

I doubt he cares..his high dollar accountants had it set up so if he sold at a loss he takes a tax break. Pratt did not become billionaire by being stoopid.

I would even venture to say he has it set up where he even makes money..he writes off the full price of the Futureliner, I bet it's storage, ad all associated cost that he had including employees he hired to take care of it.

[SBR]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Howard Hughes 53 Buick that he paid 1.5 million for just sold for 100K. Ouch! </div></div>

I doubt he cares..his high dollar accountants had it set up so if he sold at a loss he takes a tax break. Pratt did not become billionaire by being stoopid.

I would even venture to say he has it set up where he even makes money..he writes off the full price of the Futureliner, I bet it's storage, ad all associated cost that he had including employees he hired to take care of it. </div></div>
I agree that he probably does not care, in fact when you bundle the entire collection, I am sure that he did very well.

[JamesinHBCA]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who is the dark haired buyer in the balcony from Florida that has purchased several cars? I have seen him on BJ tv coverage before. He has purchased everything from muscle cars to heavy cars of the 50s. I believe they mentioned that he has an auto museum. </div></div>

Perhaps you are referring to John Staluppi, owner of Cars of Dreams Museum?

http://johnstaluppiwiki.com/john-staluppi.jpg

[1969L78Nova]

http://www.johnstaluppibiography.com/

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif
Some guys are stuck in a time zone.
My Brother still has a duck tail hair style from the 80's and I bug him about it every time, will he change NO. LOL

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Howard Hughes 53 Buick that he paid 1.5 million for just sold for 100K. Ouch! </div></div>

I doubt he cares..his high dollar accountants had it set up so if he sold at a loss he takes a tax break. Pratt did not become billionaire by being stoopid.

I would even venture to say he has it set up where he even makes money..he writes off the full price of the Futureliner, I bet it's storage, ad all associated cost that he had including employees he hired to take care of it. </div></div>

This. Rich people live differently and by different rules than the rest of us.

[WILMASBOYL78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1969L78Nova</div><div class="ubbcode-body">http://www.johnstaluppibiography.com/ </div></div>

This guy is a big deal in the NY car scene and around the country...
I did some business with a few of his dealership back in the day...it was interesting <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

wilma

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-442-CONVERTIBLE-181077 </div></div>

I know there were paperwork issues with a red W30 vert they did in 2013 - doctored docs if you will (not Thornton's fault) - same thing? Or maybe it just sold on the floor before the stage? Is that possible at BJ? Anyways there was much commentary in 2013 in a BJ thread here on the docs for the 357k(!!) W30 red vert but, lo and behold, all negative commentary has since been stripped from the thread...sometimes this site is funny like that - certain cars are &quot;protected&quot;. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[70 Forest Green Zee]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The Howard Hughes 53 Buick that he paid 1.5 million for just sold for 100K. Ouch! </div></div>

I doubt he cares..his high dollar accountants had it set up so if he sold at a loss he takes a tax break. Pratt did not become billionaire by being stoopid.

I would even venture to say he has it set up where he even makes money..he writes off the full price of the Futureliner, I bet it's storage, ad all associated cost that he had including employees he hired to take care of it. </div></div>
I agree that he probably does not care, in fact when you bundle the entire collection, I am sure that he did very well. </div></div>




Keep in mind that a lot of Mr. Pratte's cars were charity cars where 100% of the money went to charity and were a 100% tax write off. So let's just use the Hughes Buick as an example(even though I don't think this vehicle was a charity vehicle) buys it for 1.5 mil, takes a tax write off for 1.5 mil, then sells a couple years later for 100K...he made money. The few he loses money on will be made up by the many charity cars he bought and took the 100% write off on and re sells.

[Born30YrsLate]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesinHBCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who is the dark haired buyer in the balcony from Florida that has purchased several cars? I have seen him on BJ tv coverage before. He has purchased everything from muscle cars to heavy cars of the 50s. I believe they mentioned that he has an auto museum. </div></div>

Perhaps you are referring to John Staluppi, owner of Cars of Dreams Museum?

http://johnstaluppiwiki.com/john-staluppi.jpg </div></div>

Interesting...he sold off his collection of ~100 cars back in 2012...must be ready to refill that empty space...

[bigsixman]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JamesinHBCA</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bigsixman</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who is the dark haired buyer in the balcony from Florida that has purchased several cars? I have seen him on BJ tv coverage before. He has purchased everything from muscle cars to heavy cars of the 50s. I believe they mentioned that he has an auto museum. </div></div>

Perhaps you are referring to John Staluppi, owner of Cars of Dreams Museum?

http://johnstaluppiwiki.com/john-staluppi.jpg </div></div>
Yes, I am referring to this buyer, thank you for your help and information.

[ds1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=markinnaples]Been out all evening, how has the money on Ron Pratt's cars been? </div></div>

Many have not met reserve or have sold for less than what he paid for them.

Pratt bought the Super Snake for 5.5 mil and bidding only went up to 4.7-did not meet reserve.

He paid 4 million for the Futureliner and then had it restored ( I would say another 1 mil easily) and it only sold for 4 mil

[/quote

Velocity advertised them and the Barret Jackson infomercial as being ALL at no reserve.

[Postsedan]

The Super Snake sold after it left the stage for 5 mil.

Charley could only muster 3 Mil. Whimp <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan

[cdn454LS6]

anybody know why Ron Pratte is selling his collection?

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Velocity advertised them and the Barret Jackson infomercial as being ALL at no reserve. </div></div>

All his cars had a reserve on them. the ringmaster went down and spoke with Pratt and many he took off the reserve or accepted less than reserve. Many were at reserve..the Super Snake for example did not sell/meet reserve. .the Futureliner was at no reserve.

[ds1]

The Futureliner was donated to charity.

[JamesinHBCA]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Schonyenko2</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You might say it's a little like the WWF of car auctions.</div></div>

Now that you mention it, they do have quite a cast of characters there.

Lets see, there is Craig Jackson the Patriarch, Steve Davis that has never been seen without sunglasses, even at night. Bumbling Mike Joy touching everything, Steve M. as the smart guy with the chunky black glasses, Amy A. the looker with the long flowing hair whispering into the ears of older men to up the bid, Spanky A. with those reading glasses always on his brow, The young bidders assistant that is rarely seen but often heard with his howling scream, Sexy ring girls in long formal gowns holding signs, Gary, the old hippie refusing to give up the long hair, Ron Pratte as the quiet elephant in the room, Richard Rawlins the flamboyant seller, The Big Spender that looks like he just walked off the set of The Sopranos, Various drunken spectators with no intention of bidding but trying to be seen on TV in the background of every interview, and numerous celebrities making a guest appearance on stage.

Who did I miss?

However, they must be doing something right. Attendance is up, prices are up, and I am still watching more than ever!

[ds1]

Prices are up, but why? I haven't seen a break in my economy yet. Where is the money coming from?

[Verne_Frantz]

Let me see if I understand this charity thing.........
Person A donates a car worth $100K at auction for charity. Tax write off for what it sells for.
Person B buys the car for $100K. Money goes to charity. Tax write off.
Person B puts the same car up for auction at the same event or next year. Proceeds to go to charity. Tax write off.
Person C:....well you get the picture.

Now, if I decide to sell my car for charity and I have my buddy make sure he's the high bidder, I get the tax write off for the sale price and he gets the tax write off for his payment to the charity. HE puts the car up again at auction for charity and I buy it back. We both get the tax deduction again. I get my car back and we both get a 2X $$ tax deduction for playing the game. Is that really how it works?

I guess if my buddy was sitting next to me on the front row and he bought my &quot;car&quot;, I'd get up and give him a hug too!

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[bergy]

Marlin could probably comment here, but it's my understanding that the amount of the tax write off for the purchaser of the car is only the amount paid in excess of the value of merchandise received.

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cdn454LS6</div><div class="ubbcode-body">anybody know why Ron Pratte is selling his collection? </div></div>
This from another website from one close to him:
<span style="font-style: italic">Mr.Pratte built one of the finest collections of Cars,Airplanes and Automobilia the world has ever seen and is now moving on to other interests including building a private race track at the Dunes. He also wants to spend more time flying and seeing the world.</span>

[Tommy Nolen]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Marlin could probably comment here, but it's my understanding that the amount of the tax write off for the purchaser of the car is only the amount paid in excess of the value of merchandise received.</div></div>

But who establishes the value of the goods received?

[the427king]

'Let me see if I understand this charity thing.........
Person A donates a car worth $100K at auction for charity. Tax write off for what it sells for.
Person B buys the car for $100K. Money goes to charity. Tax write off.
Person B puts the same car up for auction at the same event or next year. Proceeds to go to charity. Tax write off.
Person C:....well you get the picture.'

What you are missing is that when you buy a car where the proceeds are going to charity, you cannot write off the donation in full because you are receiving an asset for the price you paid&quot;,its not a true &quot;donation&quot; due to that. If you overpay for a car thats being auctioned off ,you may be able to write off the amount you paid over the market value of the car.

[markjohnson]

I'm having trouble finding the market value of GM Futureliners in my Kelly Blue Book.

[jimbo]

From B-J website.

&quot;The Ron Pratte Collection alone brought in over $40.44 million in vehicle and automobilia sales.

[bergy]

&quot;But who establishes the value of the goods received?&quot;

When you're dealing with the IRS - It's best to have a certified appraiser provide the value in writing. The IRS can still argue, but you will generally avoid penalties if you take the donation credit based on a certified, appraised value.

[miket1]

[quote=bergy]Anybody know what happened with the red '70 LS6 Chevelle convertible @ $150k?????

I saw that too but don't know the story on it.

[1969L78Nova]

Would there not be a capital gsin/loss issue with all these cars sold?

[Verne_Frantz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
What you are missing is that when you buy a car where the proceeds are going to charity, you cannot write off the donation in full because you are receiving an asset for the price you paid&quot;,its not a true &quot;donation&quot; due to that. If you overpay for a car thats being auctioned off ,you may be able to write off the amount you paid over the market value of the car. </div></div>

So who is the big tax winner then, the seller?

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[Fast67VelleN2O]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bergy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody know what happened with the red '70 LS6 Chevelle convertible @ $150k????? </div></div>


http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Ev...VERTIBLE-178472 (http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1970-CHEVROLET-CHEVELLE-SS-LS6-CONVERTIBLE-178472)

&quot;Certified by Jerry MacNeish&quot;

[Mr70]

B-J Az.
...where bidders stumble out of bed the next morning &amp; say,&quot;oh thats what I bought last night.&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif

[classicgary]

i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO.

[BJCHEV396]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: miket1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">[quote=bergy]Anybody know what happened with the red '70 LS6 Chevelle convertible @ $150k?????

I saw that too but don't know the story on it. </div></div>Was ''well bought''at $150K!LS6 red rag top with an M22 and J.Macneish certified.Bet the seller was expecting more!

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mr70</div><div class="ubbcode-body">B-J Az.
...where bidders stumble out of bed the next morning &amp; say,&quot;oh thats what I bought last night.&quot; <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/crazy.gif </div></div>

If I had &quot;I-don't-care&quot; amounts of money I could be that guy. &quot;Oh, I bought a fake Hemi-car? Guess I'll drive the hell out of it then.&quot;

[XXXGoldL34M20]

J.Macneish is certifying 70 Chevelle's now, does he really know these cars like he knows Camaro's?
I doubt it.

[njsteve]

I wondered what would happen with that old green Z/28 Pratt bought from a few years ago at a BJ auction. (The big VIN tag swap debacle)?

VIN 124379N509335 that turned out to be a vin swapped car after someone found the ad selling the vin and firewall tags and the VIN seller openly discussed it on Team Camaro?

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=336289&amp;page=11

[njsteve]

WOW, I guess they listed it properly as a rebody at Pratt's BJ auction. That is crazy money for any 1969 Z/28 let alone a rebodied one! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Archive/Event/Item/Scottsdale2015-178570

And here is when it sold in 2008 at BJ Las Vegas. Note the difference in the description between then and now. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1969-CHEVROLET-CAMARO-Z/28-COUPE-66024

2008 description: &quot;Car has been documented and certified by Jerry MacNeish. Car was restored with all GM sheet metal, bumpers and tons of NOS GM parts.&quot;

2015 description: &quot;Documentation has been certified by Jerry MacNeish. Car was re-bodied and restored with all GM sheet metal, bumpers and tons of NOS GM parts.&quot;

[m22mike]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">J.Macneish is certifying 70 Chevelle's now, does he really know these cars like he knows Camaro's?
I doubt it. </div></div>

I wonder if in his certification report he mentioned the cheezy Chinese brake booster <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/no.gif really, on a LS6 <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/hmmm.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Does anyone know if that LS6 Chevelle convert. is legit ? Where is Chris White when we need him.

[the427king]

It sold at 2013 bj for 148500 w the buyer fee so id say its a clone or at most a real car with no proof

[GaryW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO. </div></div>

Didn't you mean.. 'your old VIN, cowl plate, and paperwork'??? Nothing else from your 'old car' is there anymore is there?? It's a 'rebodied' car, with 'restoration drivetrain'... whatever the h*ll that is....

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-442-CONVERTIBLE-181077

I loved the 1969 Trans Am Prototype – I saw it at the Muscle Car Nationals and it was incredible. It should have pulled a lot more. But many of these rich guys it seems only care about the convertibles.
</div></div>

Seller got cold feet backed out of the sale. What is a car like it worth?

[rsinor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-442-CONVERTIBLE-181077 </div></div>

I know there were paperwork issues with a red W30 vert they did in 2013 - doctored docs if you will (not Thornton's fault) - same thing? Or maybe it just sold on the floor before the stage? Is that possible at BJ? Anyways there was much commentary in 2013 in a BJ thread here on the docs for the 357k(!!) W30 red vert but, lo and behold, all negative commentary has since been stripped from the thread...sometimes this site is funny like that - certain cars are &quot;protected&quot;. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif </div></div>

It is not that car for sure.

[Charley Lillard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HO455</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anyone know what happened to this 1971 Olds 442 …it seems to have disappeared from the auction. This was the nicest Olds in the auction in my opinion. It was restored by Troy Thornton but it appears he pulled it from the auction. Maybe he sold it before it was set to be auctioned?
http://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1971-OLDSMOBILE-CUTLASS-442-CONVERTIBLE-181077 </div></div>

I know there were paperwork issues with a red W30 vert they did in 2013 - doctored docs if you will (not Thornton's fault) - same thing? Or maybe it just sold on the floor before the stage? Is that possible at BJ? Anyways there was much commentary in 2013 in a BJ thread here on the docs for the 357k(!!) W30 red vert but, lo and behold, all negative commentary has since been stripped from the thread...sometimes this site is funny like that - certain cars are &quot;protected&quot;. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif </div></div>

Tracker1...I'm trying to get a handle on you accusing us of deleting info on the bogus W30 and us protecting certain cars ....If anything got deleted on the W30 it was probably deleted because it was some kind of non factual bashing. Does anyone else remember any of this ? And I would also like to know about the certain cars that are &quot;protected&quot;. I work my ass off trying to keep this a site people can rely on and would like to think that we don't do what you are accusing us of. Please elaborate.

[Tracker1]

This thread:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/513814/2

On page 2, I commented about how 357K was nuts for the red W30 convertible that went through BJ in 2013 (my comment is still there). I distinctly remember and will swear on my son's life that a couple of well-known &quot;muscle car retailers&quot; on this site came back very quickly in that thread to say that no, this was an accurate price for such a car, with a tone insinuating I didn't know what I was talking about (often true, but not in this instance). Then it blew up because someone else pointed out that the car had been found to have &quot;questionable docs&quot; as in aged and/or manipulated and/or outright falsified. Several people commented on it...but not me (I don't do tol-ya-so's) or the two respected sellers of muscle cars. All of this IS GONE from this thread. And I tell ya, IT WAS THERE in 2013. My comment about &quot;protected&quot; wasn't aimed at the administration of the site - that would be conspiracy theory and I don't do those either - it was aimed at those who want certain cars to maintain values and will protect the value of those cars if they happen to be in their inventory. At least that is what it felt like to me in 2013 on this particular thread.

[Tracker1]

Charley, very sorry, mea culpa. I posted the wrong thread and upon further research have found the thread where I also commented on the same W30 convertible....and the comments from the retailers are still there. My bad. I told you there were times I don't know what I'm talking about. I will take my turn behind the woodshed. Apologies to all.

[shor]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/513814/2

On page 2, I commented about how 357K was nuts for the red W30 convertible that went through BJ in 2013 (my comment is still there). I distinctly remember and will swear on my son's life that a couple of well-known &quot;muscle car retailers&quot; on this site came back very quickly in that thread to say that no, this was an accurate price for such a car</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Charley, very sorry, mea culpa. I posted the wrong thread and upon further research have found the thread where I also commented on the same W30 convertible....and the comments from the retailers are still there. My bad. I told you there were times I don't know what I'm talking about. I will take my turn behind the woodshed. Apologies to all. </div></div>

But, You swore on your son's life.

[Postsedan]

We all make mistakes <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

Dan

[BJCHEV396]

X2.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

I try to get all my really heinous mistakes in before coffee break in the morning!!

Forgive, forget, move on!

Ryan

[Charley Lillard]

Thankyou. At least we got it straightened out.

[Postsedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I try to get all my really heinous mistakes in before coffee break in the morning!!

Forgive, forget, move on!

Ryan </div></div>

Is that before or after Facebook <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Dan

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

During!!

Ryan

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I work my ass off trying to keep this a site people can rely on </div></div>

Thanks Charley, it shows. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Lynn]

Ditto.

Very few places you can get accurate info anymore. Most places have an agenda. Of course, so does SYC, but that agenda appears to be aimed squarely at protecting the integrity of the hobby as well as preserving history.

[classicgary]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GaryW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO. </div></div>

Didn't you mean.. 'your old VIN, cowl plate, and paperwork'??? Nothing else from your 'old car' is there anymore is there?? It's a 'rebodied' car, with 'restoration drivetrain'... whatever the h*ll that is.... </div></div>

yup, that's what I mean. ain't it about time it was &quot;outed&quot; as a rebody......

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Every car so far on a Tuesday is over 200-300 THOUSAND.
WHERE'S ALL THE MONEY COMING FROM? </div></div>

Low interest rates = cheap money. Stock market booming. Aging baby-boomers cashing-in and buying toys. Top 5-10% of the country is doing great. Guys with money buying cars to stash away as diversified investments that they can enjoy. (&quot;You can't drive your money.&quot;)

[427TJ]

Might be interesting to see as baby-boomers die off (no offense, I am one of them) and cars start coming back to auction, who will be there with the money to buy them and for what price? Boomers fueled not just the U.S. economy for their whole lives but lifted the global economy too. The following demographics are not as large and do not have as much money spread across the demographic. Will the top 10% of post-boomer generations still pay boomer money for cars--cars they themselves did not grow up with and therefore do not have youthful nostalgia for? (I've bought stuff from the old days, including cars, because these things made me feel younger--relive the good old days.) You can be sure the speculators are very busy speculating. (As I just did.)

[bashton]

Let's not forget that the red W-30 convertible previously &quot;sold&quot; at BJ for 357k was not sold and restored by TROY Thorton, it was sold/restored by his brother, who runs a totally separate restoration business, which also happens to be in PA. Just sayin...

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GaryW</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: classicgary</div><div class="ubbcode-body">i wonder how many spectators were there to see how their old car did in the auction? I know a B J auction was on my bucket list, and i wanted to &quot;check up&quot; on my old Camaro. It didn't make Pratt alot of money................and now that it's been &quot;outed&quot; as a re-body, (finally), it's just a VERY NICE driver, IMO. </div></div>

Didn't you mean.. 'your old VIN, cowl plate, and paperwork'??? Nothing else from your 'old car' is there anymore is there?? It's a 'rebodied' car, with 'restoration drivetrain'... whatever the h*ll that is.... </div></div>

yup, that's what I mean. ain't it about time it was &quot;outed&quot; as a rebody......
</div></div>

Is this the green 69 Z/28 I spoke of earlier in the thread?

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Might be interesting to see as baby-boomers die off (no offense, I am one of them) and cars start coming back to auction, who will be there with the money to buy them and for what price? Boomers fueled not just the U.S. economy for their whole lives but lifted the global economy too. The following demographics are not as large and do not have as much money spread across the demographic. Will the top 10% of post-boomer generations still pay boomer money for cars--cars they themselves did not grow up with and therefore do not have youthful nostalgia for? (I've bought stuff from the old days, including cars, because these things made me feel younger--relive the good old days.) You can be sure the speculators are very busy speculating. (As I just did.) </div></div>

60's musclecars will never go begging for an owner, but as time goes on they will increasingly share the spotlight with later model stuff, the same way Deusenbergs and Pierce-Arrows currently share it with 70 Cuda's and 69 Chevelle's. Can't stay young forever.

[HO455]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bashton</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let's not forget that the red W-30 convertible previously &quot;sold&quot; at BJ for 357k was not sold and restored by TROY Thorton, it was sold/restored by his brother, who runs a totally separate restoration business, which also happens to be in PA. Just sayin...

Bashton
MCACN Managing Member

</div></div>

Bob you are so right… Troy is truly a genuine &amp; good guy who does absolutely beautiful restorations. He is willing to help anyone trying to restore Oldsmobiles' regardless of who they are. He helped me with numerous questions, leads, parts etc... and did not receive anything back in return. He just loves these cars and enjoys helping the Olds community. He and his brother Jeff have totally different restoration shops and are completely separate entities. Thanks so much Bob for posting the clarification. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[427freak]

Don't forget, it is an international market today. I am reminded of this when I received a call from a young man from Mongolia wanting a 65 Mustang. Google the weather and the road situation there. More cart trails then roads. I sometimes forget the allure these cars have to people around the globe now. China is coming on board also. Without the foreign market the last 5 or 6 years would have been a lot tougher for the vendors, shippers, dealers etc...
I hate seeing some of the cars go, but when the car is for sale and they have the money, whatta ya gonna do.

[SBR]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427freak</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't forget, it is an international market today. I am reminded of this when I received a call from a young man from Mongolia wanting a 65 Mustang. Google the weather and the road situation there. More cart trails then roads. I sometimes forget the allure these cars have to people around the globe now. China is coming on board also. Without the foreign market the last 5 or 6 years would have been a lot tougher for the vendors, shippers, dealers etc...
I hate seeing some of the cars go, but when the car is for sale and they have the money, whatta ya gonna do. </div></div>
Agreed, their is more wealth being created across the globe and only a limited amount of great cars.

[Stefano]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tracker1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This thread:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/513814/2

On page 2, I commented about how 357K was nuts for the red W30 convertible that went through BJ in 2013 (my comment is still there). I distinctly remember and will swear on my son's life that a couple of well-known &quot;muscle car retailers&quot; on this site came back very quickly in that thread to say that no, this was an accurate price for such a car, with a tone insinuating I didn't know what I was talking about (often true, but not in this instance). Then it blew up because someone else pointed out that the car had been found to have &quot;questionable docs&quot; as in aged and/or manipulated and/or outright falsified. Several people commented on it...but not me (I don't do tol-ya-so's) or the two respected sellers of muscle cars. All of this IS GONE from this thread. And I tell ya, IT WAS THERE in 2013. My comment about &quot;protected&quot; wasn't aimed at the administration of the site - that would be conspiracy theory and I don't do those either - it was aimed at those who want certain cars to maintain values and will protect the value of those cars if they happen to be in their inventory. At least that is what it felt like to me in 2013 on this particular thread. </div></div>

Des,

Conspiracy theories aside and in regards to the Red Barrett Jackson W-30. Your statements and opinions are just not completely accurate. The collector who was seeking a best of the best, 4 speed convertible knew what he was after. He obviously wanted the car more than the money. The fact that the paperwork Thornton had come up with, was fraudulent......well that is another matter and I would surmise, one of the reasons that the deal was backed up. The car was resold with no documentation at the next BJ auction for $250k. This to me is more surprising than the initial sale when the paperwork was believed to be authentic. The high bidder in-turn went out and purchased a bullet proof convertible and had it restored/cleaned up to his standards. While I was not involved with the sale/purchase, communicating with the buyer and seller leads me to be very confident that he has more invested than you may approve.

As someone who follows W-30s to a degree and who has had direct involvement with them, I can let you know that there was a recent offer tendered to purchase one of the known and documented W-30 4 speeds for much more than the BJ car, but the owner decided not to sell it and another great W-30 4 speed rag top recently traded hands in the value range of the BJ W-30.

With only 96 ever produced and approx 25 considered to be real and even fewer with original drivetrains, its not difficult to understand why a collector may decide to pay such a price. I don't make the market, but am familiar with it.