69 Z-28 Survivor

[Hotrodpaul]

Just wanted to post some pics of my survivor 69 Z-28, original paint, 40K mile X77, 4:10 car. I will be disassembling and cleaning the car in the near future. I also have the original rebuilt master cylinder which I will install shortly. If anyone needs pics for restoration, let me know.

Paul
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[SS427]

Let me be the first (of hundreds) to say, VERY nice!

[novadude]

Man... I wouldn't disassemble or restore a single thing on that car. Looks great as-is.

[m22mike]

Would be great to see any detailed pics you care to share along the way, we like pictures <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif. Sweet car, can I have that cowl induction seal... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

Mike

[parkbrau]

beautiful car.

[Dave Rifkin]

I wouldn't touch that car; beautiful!

[RST]

I believe we used to own that car, it runs VERY strong!

[1969l78]

Great car!!!! Only original once!!! I wouldn't touch a thing!

[Hotrodpaul]

I was just planning on cleaning off the dirt, fixing any issues but maintain the original finish. I have already adjusted the valves, rebuilt the original carb, cleaned and lubricated the distributor, and installed a NOS Dist cap. The inside of the heads and valve covers were clean as a whistle. The original valve springs are weak after 46 years and will be replaced for insurance against valve float. Car has some neat options. Original owner was a woman in Ohio and I think she got tired of muscling the steering wheel without power steering. She may have also been going through a divorce from my records and sold it to a gentleman in 1970 who parked it in 1973 until found in 2009.

Paul

[miket1]

Very nice car, I like it

[m22mike]

Paul
Very good idea to replace the valve springs, especially if you chose to hammer it a bit.

Mike

[Salvatore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hotrodpaul</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I was just planning on cleaning off the dirt, fixing any issues but maintain the original finish. I have already adjusted the valves, rebuilt the original carb, cleaned and lubricated the distributor, and installed a NOS Dist cap. The inside of the heads and valve covers were clean as a whistle. The original valve springs are weak after 46 years and will be replaced for insurance against valve float. Car has some neat options. Original owner was a woman in Ohio and I think she got tired of muscling the steering wheel without power steering. She may have also been going through a divorce from my records and sold it to a gentleman in 1970 who parked it in 1973 until found in 2009.

Paul</div></div>

Best part of the paragraph..........&quot;valve float&quot;! Love hearing that. Pictures would be great.
Thanks in advance.

[KenMaisano]

My Old Z. I told you guys that the car was Amazing and someone was going to get a great car! Well it couldn't have gone to a better guy, Paul is a great guy.

Ken Maisano

[supercomp 8.90]

wow I would not touch anything to do with the patina on the car, the endura bumper looks awesome on a cortez silver car!

[CamaroNOS]

It is perfect just the way it is, that being a survivor.

I guess the question is, what do you have to gain by &quot;taking it apart&quot; verses keeping it 100% intact as per the factory? Not to cast judgement, but you consciously bought a real true survivor.....correct?

Here is something to ponder, if you <span style="text-decoration: underline">take apart a true survivor</span> without making any alterations, other than cleaning everything, is it still a &quot;true survivor&quot;?

At the end of the day, like I always say, it is your name on the title and not mine. Who am I to cast judgement. But if you were to ask me, well then.....

Paul

[Stefano]

Kool Z28, congrats.

[MrMotion]

We also just received a 69 RSZ28 Survivor! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-81-20639-shack_and_z28.jpg

[Salvatore]

WOW, All original paint?
Nice car!

[SS427]

Damn. I could use a couple of them for customers! Highly sought after color and RS option!

[L78steve]

My 69Z is a 04C. I would be interested in some dates. Carb, Dist. and block.
Thanks, Steve.

[tabooo]

Any more pic Tony?

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hotrodpaul</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
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Talk about a killer stance! Very nice.

[Hotrodpaul]

I will post more pics with dates here shortly. This car is several hundred builds later than my 04C L-78 Camaro SS I sold back in 2006.


Paul

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrMotion</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We also just received a 69 RSZ28 Survivor! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-81-20639-shack_and_z28.jpg
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Tony's car is the one which Lloyd (Edgemont Village) owned and improved/completed the preservation I started in 2006. The car was vintage certified at the 2007 Camaro nationals. Here is a link to the web album 2006 start to when it left for Lloyd's in 2010-2011. FWIW Lloyd took the car to the NEXT LEVEL as far as obtaining detail items for which the previous owner had little concern, he really made the car a museum piece.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112392262205377424364/albums/5827783712724810161

[Billohio]

My spare is or was in lloyds car. Guy before me took the never used spare out and 6 months after selling car sold the spare on eBay. I would have loved to had that for my trunk. What is the date on lloyds trim tag?

[x77-69z28]

I didn't know Lloyd was selling!

[Hotrodpaul]

The Tuxedo Black 04C car's engine build date V0409DZ is the same as mine.

Paul

[Rick99]

Did Lloyds car have the original motor?

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: x77-69z28</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I didn't know Lloyd was selling! </div></div>

He wasn't, as a matter of fact I had recently spoke with Lloyd and given him some additional information/names/phone numbers regarding the car's past.

Less than a 2 months later I'm getting a call from the new owner, to whom I stated the same thing... &quot;I didn't know Lloyd had the car for sale.&quot; It was then he referred me to the long TC thread I started back in 2006 tracing the car until Lloyd saw her off for the next stage of her journey.

[Kurt S]

I remember when I got the phone call from Ken when the black car was found, but before it was sold.
I was very skeptical. RS Z, in original black paint? I was wrong. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[300deluxeL79]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrMotion</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We also just received a 69 RSZ28 Survivor! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-81-20639-shack_and_z28.jpg
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eddie shack!

[firstgenaddict]

<span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">and factory equipped with Cowl hood and endura? YEA, RIGHT</span></span> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

Kurt when I went to look at the car before purchase I figured it was going to be another one of those hundreds of other goose chases we have all been involved in... when I saw it I thought no one will believe it... weren't all of these pulled out in the 80's? What are the chances?

I can't think of an additional option other than Hounds Tooth I would have wanted... and it looks sinister.

Black car is 04C N633599 rear end is BV04/17 0r 18
Gauges, endura, RS, ZL2, 4.10. I think the NCRS date is 4/23 the TT is 305xxx or 308xxx

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rick99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Did Lloyds car have the original motor? </div></div>
No, the next best thing an original Z28 engine and correctly dated for the car.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firstgenaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrMotion</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We also just received a 69 RSZ28 Survivor! http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-81-20639-shack_and_z28.jpg
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Tony's car is the one which Lloyd (Edgemont Village) owned and improved/completed the preservation I started in 2006. The car was vintage certified at the 2007 Camaro nationals. Here is a link to the web album 2006 start to when it left for Lloyd's in 2010-2011. FWIW Lloyd took the car to the NEXT LEVEL as far as obtaining detail items for which the previous owner had little concern, he really made the car a museum piece.

https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112392262205377424364/albums/5827783712724810161 </div></div>

I remember meeting you and William in 2007 and Vintage Certifying the car. That car seems to get better and better and black RS/Z's are sinister looking. Great car and congrats to the new owner.

[Hotrodpaul]

Looks like the high rpm misfire was weak factory valvesprings. Bought some new Comp stock replacement 981-16 springs and just replaced the #1 cylinder. Seat load on the old springs was less than 50Lb and open load less than 200Lb! Even had the old brittle stem seals in place. New springs measure about 110 Lb at a height of 1.710&quot; and 280 Lb open, I guess it pays to check spring pressures. Could have resulted in a damaged engine. See the pics below:

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Now, I need to do the other seven.

Paul

[firstgenaddict]

That may lead to a little float... just a lil bit.

[MrMotion]

There are many pictures available as the previous owners posted from cleanup to ownership transfer. Lloyd the last owner, a true preservationist not commonly found within the Musclecar crowd. A true professional who had the determination, the heart and frankly the balls to understand that this vehicle even compared to six figure restortations cannot be duplicated, hence its rarity. I would personally like to thank James Groome for also understanding the significance of this remarkable find. A few of this sites members' rides have also passed through the new owners' or my hands. I will post those pictures. Lloyd called me a curator. Yes a curator for the new owner who also has the vision, heart and belief that it was an exciting time to drive these cars in the day, and to preserve rare vehicles.
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[earntaz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firstgenaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That may lead to a little float... just a lil bit. </div></div>

Good thing it didn't suck a valve ... that gets real expensive.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MrMotion</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> There are many pictures available as the previous owners posted from cleanup to ownership transfer. Lloyd the last owner, a true preservationist not commonly found within the Musclecar crowd. A true professional who had the determination, the heart and frankly the balls to understand that this vehicle even compared to six figure restortations cannot be duplicated, hence its rarity. I would personally like to thank James Groome for also understanding the significance of this remarkable find. A few of this sites members' rides have also passed through the new owners' or my hands. I will post those pictures. Lloyd called me a curator. Yes a curator for the new owner who also has the vision, heart and belief that it was an exciting time to drive these cars in the day, and to preserve rare vehicles.
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Just an FYI, but there are a host of collectors who are preservationist and have significant collections. Many more would like to find and collect unrestored cars, unfortunately it uncommon and difficult to find them. When they become available there is a large market. Just look at the unrestored cars that sold in the Wellborne collection; just about every car set a record. Whether its a painting, pottery, coins, guns, the best preserved originals are the most valuable and sought after...no different in the collector car market. No new ground here.....

[XXXGoldL34M20]

Tony that is a neat picture I have never seen before of my former Triple Black LS6 70 Chevelle.
Thank You for posting that surprise.
Danny

[firstgenaddict]

Among others my father's main collection has always been Flat head Fords, 1940 Coupes, Sedans, 1940 Woodie, 1941 3/4 ton Stakebed, 1941 P-up unrestored, 1941 121&quot; WB Firetruck 3500 mile unrestored.

One thing which stuck with me was that through out my early days of attending car shows (Late 70's) were the conversations between my Father and another flat head collector in particular named Benny Bootle, it was inevitable they would degrade to the two of them lamenting the fact that they &quot;restored so many cars which should have never been touched&quot;. Repeatedly hearing those stories coupled with my family's obsessive collecting of original Early American Antique furniture, Kitchen wares, and any other antique instilled an appreciation/respect for pieces retaining their original finishes.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: firstgenaddict</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Among others my father's main collection has always been Flat head Fords, 1940 Coupes, Sedans, 1940 Woodie, 1941 3/4 ton Stakebed, 1941 P-up unrestored, 1941 121&quot; WB Firetruck 3500 mile unrestored.

One thing which stuck with me was that through out my early days of attending car shows (Late 70's) were the conversations between my Father and another flat head collector in particular named Benny Bootle, it was inevitable they would degrade to the two of them lamenting the fact that they &quot;restored so many cars which should have never been touched&quot;. Repeatedly hearing those stories coupled with my family's obsessive collecting of original Early American Antique furniture, Kitchen wares, and any other antique instilled an appreciation/respect for pieces retaining their original finishes. </div></div>


James we're on the same page. I too believe that many cars were restored because lack of status and recognition at shows. I took this excerpt from an article I had written:

&quot;Vintage Certification was created to provide status, recognition and provenance for unrestored vehicles. In fact these vehicles, like art are well preserved masterpieces. For many years in our hobby, status and recognition was almost exclusively provided to concours restored vehicles. The best restored cars were invited to the most prestigious shows and concours, and achieved awards, accolades and garnered the most attention. What was puzzling was the fact that in every other collector market unrestored examples are the most coveted. For example, paintings, coins, firearms, furniture, pottery etc.&quot;

Things have certainly changed but for years 60, 70, 80 and 90's many cars were unnecessarily restored. Now we have a new fad barn finds. That's a whole new segment of the hobby..... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[firstgenaddict]

&quot;I too believe that many cars were restored because lack of status and recognition at shows.&quot; ~ Steve Shauger

I concur...

My father has gotten involved with the HVA https://www.historicvehicle.org The president, Mr. Gessler owns the all original 2,700 mile original paint 1922 Oldsmobile Super Sport 1922 Olds V8 SS pics (https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/112392262205377424364/albums/6073382908417258017which) as well as an un-restored 32 Ford Sedan dad prepped last year for the DC Christmas Parade, in which it participated. He found out about the HVA and was put into contact with Mr Gessler through a mutual contact, Paul Ianuario. Mr Ianuario who in addition to curating/planning the displays at BMW's museum &amp; visitor center, arranging the Annual European Auto Show (graciously hosted by BMW at the plant, is also the Director of the Pinehurst Concours d'Elegance

[sixt9rsx33]

Another Original paint Z with the born with drive train. A few items that were modified by the second owner (pictured) have been changed...alternator bracket and fuel line pushed back down and bolted back with the original fuel line bracket to the frame.

[sixt9rsx33]

Here are a few more pics of the car.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sixt9rsx33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another Original paint Z with the born with drive train. A few items that were modified by the second owner (pictured) have been changed...alternator bracket and fuel line pushed back down and bolted back with the original fuel line bracket to the frame. </div></div>

Lawrence thanks for sharing the pics. Great looking car!

[sixt9rsx33]

Thank you Steve. I still want you to certify this car.

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sixt9rsx33</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thank you Steve. I still want you to certify this car. </div></div>

Excellent, look forward to it.

[Edgemontvillage]

Gents thank you for the kind feedback, I should be so fortunate to have my eulogy written so thoughtfully... I didn't have plans to sell the RS/Z however the timing turned out to be right. I had done almost as much as I could with the car, painstakingly locating original dated parts that had lost their way over time to service replacements and refining the rest. The new owner Rick and colleague Tony bring a fresh energy that will build on the preservation effort that James started and I continued. The car is in very good hands. I plan to turn my attention to a project car in the near future.

Departure Day:

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[1969l78]

Sweet Z!!!!!

[x77-69z28]

You did a great job with it Lloyd! Sorry you had to let it go. I was following your preservation closely.
Buddy

[68_L79_Malibu]

I have been following this very special 69 Z/28 for years on Team Camaro. I really love survivor cars. I hope that the new owner locates the original 302. I am looking forward to seeing additional photos and reading about the preservation of this Z/28.

http://www.camaros.net/forums/showthread.php?t=81626