Grandfather's 68 SS Camaro.

[JRC99]

This seems like a good place to introduce myself. I'm Joe. I'm 15 and have grown up a total gearhead. I'm completely in love with Day 2 cars and 70's Street Machines/Street Freaks.

Here's my grandfather's 1968 Camaro SS396 ( I believe it's genuine, but we don't have the protect-o-plate.)

[img]http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...777151300_22336 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-19148-20625-10603978_662601777151300_22336)

396.
TH400 (Still has clutch pedal in it)
Edelbrock C427X (Best way to get the gunk off?) topped by a Holley 750 Vacuum secondary.
MSD HEI ignition.
Headers and Flowmasters.
Chevy Power Valve covers (how rare are these? Google'd them but can't find any info on them, never seen another pair)
Sun Super Tach and Oil PSI gauge (If you have a blue line water temp gauge (mechanical ONLY, this car overheats, need the accuracy,) let me know)
Slapper bars and Airshocks.
Electric fans.
Clearly, It's pretty Day 2 apart from the MSD ignition and Flowmasters (and the radial tires).

[JRC99]

[img]http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...746231903_11803 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-19148-20627-10636706_671795746231903_11803)
Engine.

[scuncio]

Very cool Camaro. Welcome to the site. Where in MI are you?

[JRC99]

Metro Detroit Area. We go to the Telegraph and Downriver cruises every year.

[Tenney]

Cool car! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[69 Post Sedan]

Welcome.....There are a lot of Day 2 cars on this site.

If you haven't already, check out the &quot;Day 2&quot; section.....lots of goodies there.

Kurt

[Day2_69Z]

Very pretty car, nice stance and it has CRAGARS !

For a more accurate Day 2 configuration loose the electric fans, HEI and add M/T finned valve covers.

Right now its more like a Day 3 car from the 80's .....
at 15 , will Pap allow you to tool it around the neighborhood ?

[mockingbird812]

A GREAT BIG Welcome Joe!!! Super to see a youngin' taking interest in this awesome era of muscle cars. Your Gpa's car looks great. I can see how it inspired you. Looks like you have a Chevelle lurking in the background too. Glad to have you around. There's lots to see and learn from around here. Don't hesitate to ask questions. Have FUN!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-1691-20637-joes_gpas_68_camaro.jpg

[markinnaples]

Nice Camaro, very nice.

What's up with the 67 Chevelle in the garage?

[JRC99]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Very pretty car, nice stance and it has CRAGARS !

For a more accurate Day 2 configuration loose the electric fans, HEI and add M/T finned valve covers.

Right now its more like a Day 3 car from the 80's .....
at 15 , will Pap allow you to tool it around the neighborhood ?</div></div>

Electric fans are beecause it runs hot, and The HEI works too well to justify ditching it. As for the valve covers, I think I'll go with a pair of Morosos. THey were around back then, and are half as much as MTs.

The Chevelle is also my grandfather's It's a 396/325 car that was originally Granada Gold with a gold interior. It has L78 heads on it, a nice cam (unsure of the kind), An Edelbrock Performer, wth a Holley 750. It also has a 4.56 gear and an 1800 stall converter. When my grandfather bought it, it had a Marlboro man mural on the trunk. It'd been sitting under his carport for 7 years with a bad starter, until I finally convinced him to get it running, only to find out all 4 tires were dryrotted. So it has no carb on it (Camaro needed a new one), needs fuel lines, and 4 new tires. All 3 will come this year. And no, not allowed to drive them.

[JRC99]

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[Day2_69Z]

that's a cool gauge pod....I can see why you at such a young age has so much enthusiasm and interest.

Welcome to the site , you fit right in....
too bad you don't fit behind the steering wheel yet....

Hint: take the front seat out, find a milk crate and have a blast leaving the driveway sideways...... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[markjohnson]

I would have loved to have seen that Marlboro Man trunk mural . . .

[Kurt S]

If it runs hot, then there's a problem.
First, get the rad rebuilt.

[JRC99]

I actually fit well at 5'8&quot;. I'll have to tell Pappaw (just what I call grandpa) about having it rebuilt. It only really gets hot in traffic. Cruising, it's fine.
Besides, too much respect for my family and the car to even try it.
As far as the mural, I don't have a scanner. Sorry.

[JRC99]

Update: debating asking grandpa to put a pair of Purple Hornies on it.

[69LM1]

Great times with paw paw, you WILL remember them your whole life. Invite him here for an introduction as well!

Glad you found the site.

Rich

[JRC99]

Told him yesterday when I visited. (That's the best part oof being nearby, I can always visit.)

[JRC99]

Here's another pic of the interior
[img]http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pic...002056910_51336 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/01/full-19148-20985-10901719_746879002056910_51336)

[Zman1969]

welcome Joe! stay on Papaws good side-maybe some day that will be your ride-looks classic!

[JRC99]

(Link was of an old video- since deleted)
This was before the mirror was fixed. (I actually broke it on accident a year and a half earlier while washing it. Was using a long handle brush on the windows and accidentally hit the glass on the mirror.)

[68l30]

Good looking Camaro, thanks for the video. I wouldn't trust that Tach!


BIG

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good looking Camaro, thanks for the video. I wouldn't trust that Tach!


BIG </div></div>

That's what I was thinking when I heard him rev it a little and I see 8K.. Lol. Great look car!

[JRC99]

Yeah, it's way off. I'm not sure why.

[JRC99]

Anyone know when 1968 production started? VIN states it was built in the 3rd week of July. Not sure if that's July of 67 or 68.

[cook_dw]

September of 1967 is when production started for 68 models. Your grandfathers is July of 1968. Very late build car.

Does he still have the original owners manual?

[JRC99]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">September of 1967 is when production started for 68 models. Your grandfathers is July of 1968. Very late build car.

Does he still have the original owners manual?

</div></div>

Unfortunately no. We've got almost no documentation.

[JRC99]

Which part of the VIN is the production number? Or serial.

[cook_dw]

124378N then its your production #.


Is the engine block and heads original? Get a pic of the pad on the passenger side front of the block just below the head.


http://www.thecamaro.com/images/Assembly_Stamp_location.jpg

[JRC99]

Yeah, checked that. Nothing on it. I'll snap a pic later on today.

[JRC99]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-19148-23271-144.jpg

Here's where the stamping should be.

[cook_dw]

Whats the casting number on the block and the casting date? Can you get a pic of the fuel line down near the engine mount?

[JRC99]

The numbers are gone.

[cook_dw]

Casting numbers?? Not the stamped numbers..

[JRC99]

Just re read. Yeah I'll try to if I can.

[KevinW]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cook_dw</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 68l30</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Good looking Camaro, thanks for the video. I wouldn't trust that Tach!


BIG </div></div>

That's what I was thinking when I heard him rev it a little and I see 8K.. Lol. Great look car! </div></div>

Those aftermarket tachs had a switch or wire loop so that you could run them on 4 cyl, 6 cyl or 8s. I would check the internal wiring to make sure it is set for an 8 cyl. Good Luck, Grandpa kept the car looking nice!

[JRC99]

To be truthful, the resto was included when he bought it. Though he does know how to work on cars. Used to rebuild cars from the junk yard and sell them. I think it's off because when the car was restored, it had a points distributor, but dad and I put an MSD HEI distributor in it. Maybe there was something we forgot to do.

[JRC99]

It won't matter for a few years, but will 15x7s work with Polyglas L60s? I want to go bias-ply when the radials go bad. I know bias tires aren't as good handling, but I also know they aren't as evil as some make them out to be.

[JRC99]

Here's some new pictures of it. Now they're HD because I figured out my camera (you'd think a 15 year old would know how to mess with the settings immediately. Nope- took 5 years of having the camera to realize how to set it to 1080p)

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-19148-23945-saqxf96.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-19148-23946-ryzkuas.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-19148-23947-6q7ugkl.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-19148-23948-4ihldac.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-19148-23949-lubhkbm.jpg

[markinnaples]

Very, very cool.

[JRC99]

Thank you. If possible, my plans are at least a pair of M/T valve covers, and maybe Purple Hornies.

[earntaz]

AND Cragars!!!

[earntaz]

AND Cragars!!!

[earntaz]

Better replace the snubber on the RH traction bar ...

[JRC99]

Thank you for pointing that out. Never noticed it was broken.

[JRC99]

Cleaned up the Chevelle yesterday. This one is more fun. It's a 396/325/Powerglide car that was originally Granada Gold with a Gold interior. It was built in Atlanta. Now it's got a Edelbrock Performer 2-0 intake, a Holley 750 (vaccum secondaries), L78 heads, 10.5:1 compression, headers leading to Thrush mufflers, a TH400 with an 1800 stall converter, and has 4.56 gears in the rear. Naturally, it's insanely fun. Last summer my birthday gift to myself was to be up all night in the garage waxing it (boy did it need it).

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19148-25385-rm1g2n7.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19148-25386-7igtaid.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19148-25387-3e9mxix.jpg

[markinnaples]

Very nice!

[JRC99]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19148-25471-022.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19148-25472-002.jpg

[JRC99]

The Chevelle was leaking gas ( I pushed it out before) but we now replaced the fuel line. It runs nicely.

[Day2_69Z]

Oh geez, do I see the coolant overflow can on the ground or was that one of the 'tools' you needed to do the fuel line repair ?

There is another thread going on about the youth of America not keen on these cars......

You go guy and get your friends involved too.....
Youth is a enduring factor !

[JRC99]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Day2_69Z</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh geez, do I see the coolant overflow can on the ground or was that one of the 'tools' you needed to do the fuel line repair ?

There is another thread going on about the youth of America not keen on these cars......

You go guy and get your friends involved too.....
Youth is a enduring factor ! </div></div>

The mountain dew can was just left there by a buddy of mine. I just didn't pick it up before the picture. I just washed the car and will post pics later.

[JRC99]

Where is this that thread, by the way?

[JRC99]

Small update. Because I'm spoiled,I get money for my birthday every year. Usually about $100. If I can talk my grandfather into it, said money this year will go towards a pair of Purple Hornies for the Camaro. I love the Flowmasters, but I want something a little more Day 2.

[mockingbird812]

Now you're talking!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[JRC99]

Also really crave M/T valve covers.

[69 Post Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRC99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Where is this that thread, by the way? </div></div>

I believe they are talking about this thread. You have to read down a ways to get to the conversations about the younger crowd.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/611600/all/original-paint-black-ls6

Kurt

[JRC99]

It's late and I'm bored, so I figured I'll let you all in on a little project Pappaw and I are going to do this summer. For Christmas in 2013, I got a Logitech Racing wheel for my Playstation. I love it and it's really fun, but I don't have a stand. I'd wanted to buy a seat/ mount setup, but Pappaw had a great idea. He has 2 66 Chevelle bucket seats in his shed (was going to put them in his 67 to replace the bench seat, but never got around to it. I like the bench seat anyway), so we're going to make our own. Imagine this with a 66 Chevelle seat. BONUS: Already replaced the plastic shifter knob the wheel came with with an old B&amp;M T-handle Pappaw found in his garage.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-19148-26398-evolution_black_g27.jpg

[JRC99]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/hly-120-102/overview/ Will this fit under the SS hood on the Camaro with a 1 inch carb spacer?

[JRC99]

Crawled underneath the Camaro to look for casting numbers. Couldn't see anything thanks to being too nervous to actually get under it.


As for looking from the top, you can't see anything.

[68l30]

Time to learn how to get under it, the right way. My first lesson I can vividly remember . Had to jack up the car, get it on stands and make sure it was safe and stable. Start at the front on a creeper and head to the rear, turn around and come back to where you started. Head back to the tranny and stay ther for 5 min...this was a actual lesson at our vocational school. I did it under a 72 Camaro that was donated by GM Norwood after the strike. I was surprised by how many couldn't do it. I could have went to sleep under there... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif


BIG

[JRC99]

Gonna have to try that.

[68l30]

You can do it!

BIG

[JRC99]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1so8KCPjge8 Here's a video of his 89 Mustang. The list of modifications is in the video description.

[Day2_69Z]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRC99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also really crave M/T valve covers.</div></div>

I'll make you a deal. ..for a set of M/T s...
I need a set of BBC covers for a stored engine....
Aftermarket anything...tall ones in decent shape .
Trade even if you cover the shipping .....
These had breathers, you'll have to pick up another pair of breathers to coved the holes.
Summit has cheapies......

[JRC99]

Have to tell Pappaw about this.

[JRC99]

Having done a bit of research on the C427X intake (already knew it was a 70's piece, not to mention Motion used them), most people seem to run them with a 780 (or larger) carb. Is a 750 not enough for these? I have heard they flow extremely well.

[JRC99]

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[scuncio]

Nice...but it idles WAY too smooth IMO...I'd be itching to swap out the cam!

[JRC99]

Nah, it's a high duration cam. Trust me, it lopes enough, and doesn't bog down at all.

[TMagda]

Great looking Camaro. Looks like the Hot Wheels car!

[69 Post Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRC99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Having done a bit of research on the C427X intake (already knew it was a 70's piece, not to mention Motion used them), most people seem to run them with a 780 (or larger) carb. Is a 750 not enough for these? I have heard they flow extremely well. </div></div>

If you're looking for the &quot;Day 2&quot; look....the C427X in a good candidate. If you're fine with the stock look, the factory &quot;163&quot; intake actually works better than the C427X. I believe it was someone on here that did a comparison back in the day and the Edelbrock didn't perform as well as the factory intake.

Kurt

[JRC99]

I plan on keeping the C427X purely for the Day 2 look.

[69 Post Sedan]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRC99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I plan on keeping the C427X purely for the Day 2 look. </div></div>

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[JRC99]

By the way, what's the best way to clean it without pulling it off the car? The grime and cruddyness ruins it. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-19148-27269-lubhkbm.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/use...746231903_11803 (http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/06/full-19148-27271-10636706_671795746231903_11803)

[69 Post Sedan]

I spray carb cleaner. Maybe try Simple Green or Purple Power first and see if that will work. Just be sure to wash it off thoroughly and cover up the carburetor and anything electrical.

Kurt

[JRC99]

I've asked my grandfather about the car's hatred of running right (loads up like there's no tomorrow, and good Lord, this thing just falls flat on its face under acceleration) for the umpteenth time, and he suggested something quite plausible: Carbon buildup. The motor doesn't look like it was ever taken apart. I know seafoam is supposed to clean it up. Wondering if I should try it.

[SuperNovaSS]

I'd look more in the direction of tune up type stuff, ignition, and carb. I'm not sure what type of carb it is but falling on its face could well be a faulty accelerator pump from sitting.

Jason

[JRC99]

Not that. Carb has been replaced, spark plugs replaced, cap and rotor.Still does it.

[scuncio]

Listen to Jason. Most carbs need work right out of the box. Look into it.

[JRC99]

Wasn't right out of the box actually. It works brilliantly on the Chevelle. It's gotta be something else.

[cook_dw]

Is the Chevelle engine using the same cam, heads, intake, exhaust as the Camaro? If not then it needs to be tuned to the engine its bolted to..

[SuperNovaSS]

Ignition advance not working or vacuum advance hooked up improperly?


Jason

[JRC99]

I honestly don't know. Cam heads and intake are all different. I'm just trying to find the easy way out. I think I'm going to have to put the Camaro on the back burner while I learn how to do it, because my dad isn't all that good at tuning carbs (his words, not mine).

[JRC99]

I should note we tried to tune the carb with my grandfather once, but it didn't work very well.

[PxTx]

Post some data.

Degrees of initial timing at idle without vac adv hooked up?

total timing @ 3000 rpm without vac advance hooked up?

timing at idle with vac advance hooked up?

What pulgs? Plug gap? What distributor? Any ignition box?

[JRC99]

I'll have to ask. I just know i has an Accel distributor (MSD cap. No ignition box.

[JRC99]

I found an old distributor in the garage. It has an Accel cap, but apparently it's the original points distributor for the Camaro. Part Number HI HI2168 8b1 (or 3b1, or 3BL, or 8BL, I can't tell). Will this work on a small block. Pappaw said it was big block specific, but I don't know why it would be. He's got a 350 in his garage I plan on using in whatever car I get, and I'd really like to save 200 bucks by using this. (Y'know, so I can put said cash towards a tunnel ram for said 350. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif)

[68l30]

1112168 should be the number on it...350 SBC


BIG

[JRC99]

Appears to be it. Makes we wonder what it was doing on a 396.

[JRC99]

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/msd-8910/overview/ Will this work with the Camaro's Accel distributor? I ask because it says it's for MSD Blaster ignition, which the car doesn't have.

[JRC99]

What speakers are recommended for the Camaro? Speakers in it are horrid (only one works, and it's got loads of static)

Also, bit of an update. The intake is stripped where the bolt goes in on the rear driver's side. My grandfather said to get some stuff called thread mender. but nothing came up on Google.

[JRC99]

Bolt for the Carb I mean.

[earntaz]

Joe -- that may work for a period of time, but the best thing to do is install a Heli-Coil insert. You should be able to find a kit at any good parts store. TAZ

[JRC99]

Plan on it, since netiher AutoZone or O'Reilly's have thread mender, but I know for a fact O'Reilly's has Heli-Coils.

[JRC99]

This is very odd. It certainly moves like it's supposed to, but spews carbon monoxide at idle.

I'll take it!

[JRC99]

Found a Midas Muffler receipt from the 80s with the then-owners name. Sent him a facebook message. Here's hoping I can find out more about the car.

[JRC99]

Finally got around to uploading pics (of pics) of the Chevelle's mural. Not on it anymore (I like it more without.)
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-19148-29115-7w76h64.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/07/full-19148-29116-mvdnjjy.jpg

[JRC99]

This is depressing. My dad's buddy came over last night to show dad the Mustang he bought. He's done bodywork, and while we were in the garage, he noticed the guy who restored the Camaro forgot to wheel out the paint, making it look cloudy. I don't have the experience nor the money to have it done. It doesn't show up in pictures, but it's really noticeable with fluorescent lighting on the trunk (usually when I'm in the garage at night.

[JRC99]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/10/full-19148-33133-100_0065.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/10/full-19148-33134-100_0064.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/10/full-19148-33135-100_0066.jpg
Above are pictures from October of 2004. This is what it looked like with Rally wheels. They were replaced when the tires they were on were dry rotted. And I seem to remember something else going wrong with them but I was 6 when they were replaced in 2005.
Pappaw actually wanted Torq Thrusts but if I remember rightly, I wanted the cragars (Muscle car wheels in my 6 year old mind, purely because they were 5 spoke) because that's what I saw in the tire shop we went to. I think he said this was sort of the look he wanted.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/10/full-19148-33136-124207_scan0013.jpg
(Side note, he had the copy of CARS magazine this was in from 1967. I say had because he gave it to me. I love looking at all the old ads and articles.)

[JRC99]

Okay, the 396 doesn't exactly <span style="font-style: italic">feel</span> like a 396. My Christmas wish list thus far is:
Timing tab (This is why I couldn't tell you how it was set, it doesn't have one on it.)
Shift kit (TH400 feels a bit sloppy.)

Is there anything else I should think of? Carb just sorta quit acting up, and frankly, we don't have the money for a new one, nor do we really know how to rebuild one. I feel a shift kit and some timing adjustments could really wake it up.

[earntaz]

Get the small things first ... get a bolt on timing tab and then locate the true TDC of #1 -- set the timing. The &quot;sloppy&quot; TH400 could be attributed to the poor tune of the engine -- accomplish a basic tune-up on the engine before doing the shift-kit deal. Eric on this site is the ACE with the Q-J carb. He can accomplish a basic rebuild or a &quot;show piece&quot; if you so desire. TAZ

[JRC99]

Ah, It's got a Holley 750. I don't know about this yet. Timing is my main concern, since it stopped bogging under throttle.

[JRC99]

Crawled under the rear to get the code. It's completely covered in grease but the second letter looks to be A. It's a 12 bolt, meaning it'd have to be code QA, which means it came with 4.10 gears in it. Either they were swapped out, or it really isn't running right, because it certainly doesn't feel like it.

[JRC99]

Cleaned the pad below the cylinder head. T0510TRH. So it's a 73-74 454 out of a pickup. Wow. Feels so weird. On the one hand, I'm sad it's not the original engine, on the other hand, oooh it's a 454. Also, I was wrong on the rear end. Not a 4.10. Was looking at the date coding and didn't give it a second thought. My bad.

[JRC99]

Brakleen works wonders... http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34558-027.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34559-028.jpg

[njsteve]

As for the &quot;sloppy 400&quot; you should consider installing one of the B&amp;M shift kits (around $90). I had the same problem in my Gramma's 1975 Firebird that we put the 455 in. The shifts were so mushy it felt like the tranny was going. After the shift kit install, the shifts are crsip and you know exactly when they occur. It chirps second and third now, too!

[JRC99]

Put the battery from my truck in it, started it... and the SOB was in reverse. Shifting= bad. If I hadn't slammed on the brakes, it would've gone into Dad's Harley and my '96 Dakota. On the bright side, I did this myself, and not a thing went wrong (other than the reversing outta nowhere). Shift kit is definitely possible. I've got a Hurst Pro-Matic 2 out in the garage and all it needs is a shift cable (Grandfather needed it for the Chevelle and bought a whole new shifter just for it.)

[JRC99]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34651-004.jpg
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http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34655-008.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34656-005.jpg

Pulled it out so Dad could get his Harley in the Winter position. Would've gone for a ride, but, whoever is in charge of the roads for the city had the roads salted already (No snow yet) and my truck was in the way and Dad didn't feel like swapping batteries more than was necessary.

[markinnaples]

That Camaro is sweet.

[JRC99]

Thank you! I absolutely love the car despite some faults.

[JRC99]

All closed up for the next 5 months of frozen Hell. Unfortunately, we don't have a cover for the Chevelle.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34663-001.jpg

[JRC99]

Pulled the cover back and got the paint off of the waterneck. After a new pair of valve covers, I'll be proud to open the hood at car shows.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34949-dscf2364.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/11/full-19148-34950-dscf2446.jpg

[cook_dw]

When you put new valve covers on it make sure to get photos of the casting numbers and dates of the heads!

[JRC99]

Not sure why, since it's not even the original engine. 'Tis a 454. But I'll get pics. Will be quite a while though.

[cook_dw]

Just humor me..

[JRC99]

Alright, but it will be a while- Most likely won't happen until at least Spring. Unless you mean a pic of the casting number for the block. Then I can get that one up tomorrow, but the heads will be a while.

[SuperNovaSS]

Based on the intake and hump on the front of the heads, I'm betting they are not truck heads.


Jason

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SuperNovaSS</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Based on the intake and hump on the front of the heads, I'm betting they are not truck heads.


Jason </div></div>


<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[JRC99]

This may be a stupid question, but once we get it running right, how much race fuel can it safely run? It ran real good with a gallon of 110 mixed with 93.

[JRC99]

Going to pick up a timing tab today. Or order it, at least. Maybe I'll be able to get Dad to work on it tomorrow after it gets here.

[JRC99]

Finally put a bulb in the dome light and my grandfather ordered the matching Sun temp gauge, which we'll convert to mechanical (doesn't have the sending unit anyway) for extra accuracy.

[JRC99]

I have contacted the people who owned it in 1987 or so, and they bought it with the automatic already in it from a man who raced it at Milan Dragway. It had at one time (before they bought it) had nitrous on it and ran 10s. Would love to talk to him, but I don't know anything about him besides his name.

[JRC99]

...Aaaannd there's something drawing the battery down. Lovely. Splendid! Hopefully, this car can have some of these issues sorted out in the spring.

[JRC99]

I have just learned quite a bit about this car. It was, in fact, an original L78, and the 454 that's in it now has a pretty radical cam, at least I think it is.. It's a Comp Magnum Hydraulic Flat Tappet with .575 degrees of lift and .305 degrees of duration. It's got 10.25:1 compression. It also has a 3.73 rear gear in it.

I've been emailing the guy who raced it back in the mid-late 80s. It was his first car. I don't know what happened to the 396, but it, and the 4 speed, are long gone.

[SpaceLord]

Neat car.

[JRC99]

So I must have forgot the HD video I shot in the summer. It's actually the sound that plays when I log into Windows on my computer. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

<object width="425" height="350"> <param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/P_LE24I8ceA"></param> <param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param> <embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/P_LE24I8ceA" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350"> </embed></object>

We're also going to put the timing tab on it in the Spring, as I bought one a week or two ago.

[JRC99]

Well, I'm at a bit of a loss right now. It's starting to rust out really badly under the vinyl top, and we can't afford to fix it. I don't want the car to be sold, because I guarantee I'll never see it again, and there's no way in Hell I'd ever be able to afford to buy it back, but I don't want it to rust into the ground either. I guess I'll talk to Pap tomorrow, and see what he says. The man who raced it in the 80s, Jackie S., wanted to buy it back, and I may have to take him up on it. But again, I <span style="font-style: italic">really</span> do not want to see it go.

[JRC99]

Pap said we can fix it. It is going nowhere.

[JRC99]

It only took like 2 years, but I finally got a non blurry pic of the gauges. And no, it wasn't running. More proof that the tach is messed up.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/02/full-19148-39389-048.jpg

Also, we're finally getting rid of the 289 we have sitting on a stand in the garage. Maybe I could get Pappaw's permission to pull the motor out of the car.

[njsteve]

If I recall correctly, there is an adjustment screw inside the tach housing (once you remove the chrome cup) that allows to you adjust the needle to zero.

...or does the tach not work at all?

[JRC99]

It works and I'll have to adjust it.

[JRC99]

In all honesty, I don't think we're going to do much to this one this year. I kinda want to focus on the Chevelle. Need to get it back on the road, and the list for the Camaro just keeps growing. Think we'll just park it for this year.

[JRC99]

Well, <span style="font-style: italic">maybe</span> we'll go through the engine. I'm not sure. A buddy of mine is coming up from SC to get the 289 out of our garage that we have no use for, so we'd have a stand at least. I don't know yet.

[JRC99]

Flipped the hood stacks. Must give James (first gen addict) and Darrell (cook dw) credit for the idea.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/03/full-19148-40766-468.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/03/full-19148-40767-467.jpg

[JRC99]

edit: this post was originally a GENIUS idea.


(No it wasn't, and I've deleted it.)

[markinnaples]

Might want to put this in the classified section for parts.

[JRC99]

I have.

[JRC99]

Expect to see more Chevelle posts this year. Either a battery cable or the starter is dead. Put a brand new battery in it, and it refused to even click. Not a single thing happened. I'm at the end of my rope on stuff just going wrong left and right, so it's just going to stay in the garage this year. Maybe pull the motor.

[earntaz]

OK Joe -- lets try some basic T/Sg first -- make sure shifter is in PARK.
- check all the batt cable connections ... pos and neg
- jump the starter from the pos batt terminal to the start terminal with a bump switch or screwdriver -- this eliminates the start circuit ... you don't even need the ign switch on ... if engine cranks ... check &quot;start&quot; circuit.
- if the engine does not crank -- tap on the starter ... sometimes this will &quot;jar&quot; the brushes to make contact.
- if the engine cranks -- check the neutral safety switch by holding key to start position and moving gear shift.
- attempt to start with gear shift in the &quot;neutral&quot; position.
- if last step fails -- check if there is 12v at the starter with key in the start position.
- if you don't see 12v on a meter -- back track circuit to the start switch.

I am sure others will chime in with ideas also ... TAZ

[JRC99]

I will at some point. For now, I just need to walk away from it. It's getting to the point to where it's broken more than it is drivable. When the Chevelle takes it's turn at doing stuff like this I'll turn my attention back to it.

[earntaz]

Know what you mean -- walk away cuz' it ain't going anywhere. Besides -- the weather you guys are getting again up in Michigan sucks anyway! TAZ

[JRC99]

You got that right! 40 and raining today!

[earntaz]

I thought you may be getting that crap that hit Wisconsin yesterday ...

[JRC99]

Only certain parts.

[JRC99]

It's ALWAYS the little things. The car is fine! The battery cable just needed tightening. *sigh* Oh well, at least it runs again.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/04/full-19148-42280-011.jpg

[JRC99]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/05/full-19148-43527-102.jpg

The car runs good except for one small issue: It's been sitting because of a gas leak. It just needs a new carb gasket. We also plan on getting a stud kit for the carb. Hope to have it going by May 25th, as there's a local car show and I want one of the previous owners to see it.

[markinnaples]

Looks great.

[JRC99]

It really doesn't bother me, but out of curiosity, what design are the Cragars? Are they the &quot;new&quot; ones or the &quot;old&quot; ones? They were put on in 2005.

[JRC99]

Updates: Carb is off again. Needs a rebuild, because of course it has to malfunction as soon as Summer comes. It's just going to sit. I can't rebuild one, Dad can't, Pap probably can't any more (His hands shake real bad), and I don't have $150. So, on to the Chevelle for once. I'll update that thread in a minute.

What I did do, is use an online photo editor to &quot;age&quot; a photo. I went for a late 60's, early 70's look. Did I nail it?
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/07/full-19148-45614-photofunia_1467344503.jpg

[JRC99]

Would the cam in this thing be considered big/radical/etc.? It's a Hydraulic Flat Tappet Magnum. .575 lift, .305 lift. It's listed on the Comp Cams site as having a "radical" idle. It's been in it for 30 years, I love it, never coming out, just curious.

[earntaz]

Joe -- if it runs the way you want it and if it ain't broke ... don't mess with it ... leave it alone. TAZ <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[JRC99]

Oh, I didn't plan on it. I was just wondering what bracket of radical it'd be in. Mild-lumpy-radical are my 3 categories, not sure where it'd fall. If it ever needed to be replaced, it'd get the exact same cam jammed back in it.

[JRC99]

As some of you know, I'm 16. Well, I turn 17 in about a week. I think I know how I want to end my senior year. In the Camaro. Drive it to school (gotta fix the speakers and pick up a Led Zeppelin IV cassette for full effect. Or maybe Hair of The Dog by Nazareth) I'd like to have a pair or Hornies on it by then. As I'm leaving on the last day in it, stop, shred tires and take off! It'd be 1977 all over again. Now, I have to figure out how to convince my family to okay this. Maybe not mention the burnout.

[68l30]

Good Luck! I hope it works out for you. I drove my 68 to prom and graduation, I think I have pictures of both....Good Times!

BIG

[JRC99]

Thanks! I'm going to need it!

[JRC99]

Went out to the garage, just admiring it, and.... somehow, despite the fact that it hasn't been touched since April, it's leaking radiator fluid onto the intake. I swear, this car doesn't like me.

[njsteve]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRC99</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Went out to the garage, just admiring it, and.... somehow, despite the fact that it hasn't been touched since April, it's leaking radiator fluid onto the intake. I swear, this car doesn't like me. </div></div>

That's normal for one of these cars. Probably seaping from the thermostat housing gasket under the slight pressure that a closed radiator will cause during outside temperature fluctatuations. Whenever one of my cars is sitting for a while I crack the radiator cap open and leave a rag over it (so I remember it's not closed) and that removes the cause of the seapage.

[JRC99]

That's what my grandfather said, which was a huge relief. Just tired of seeing stuff that isn't positive.

[JRC99]

What would the proper gap for the plugs be, given the specs of the engine? 10.25:1, the .575/.305 cam, Accel HEI. Dad thinks that it might not be getting enough spark. Certainly seems plausible. Next spring when we get a new carb, I think it'll be time to finally make this SOB run right.

[JRC99]

Installed a key 70s item today.
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/09/full-19148-49503-094.jpg
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[JRC99]

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2016/10/full-19148-50336-041.jpg
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We had to push the car out yesterday for Dad to put the Harley away for the Winter, so I gave it a quick bath. First one in nearly six months.

[JRC99]

Right, so it needs a carb and rear shocks. So what am I going to do tomorrow? Order Purple Hornies, of course! I figure if I don't buy them soon, the car'll never get them.

EDIT: It isn't getting them.

[JRC99]

I'm thinking about getting a set for the Camaro. It's a .575 lift cam. Will they clear? Holley says there may be. I figured I'd ask before spending $180 on a pair.

[scuncio]

If the engine has roller rockers, they may not clear without doubling up on the gaskets. Easy to do in any case.

[JRC99]

Finally got a new carb for it. Went from a 750 w/ vac secondaries to a 650 Double Pumper. The trans is slipping (probably from sitting, will wait and see if it solves itself) but other than that it's running great. It also feels a tad underpowered, which I still think is timing, but for now I'll just bask in the glory. I forgot just how much fun it is to be in this car.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCke29yjhA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUVx2E0-H-E

[JRC99]

I am a happy boy.

[BJCHEV396]

I am a happy boy.
And a darn lucky one!

[JRC99]

And a darn lucky one!

Don't I know it!
Only problem is, I can't wait to drive it again!

[JRC99]

Last Monday sucked. A trans line decided to let go while we were driving, and it puked every where. We fixed that, filled it up, and it was still leaking (no big deal- It just wasn't tight enough, but now the fluid's empty again) so it's sitting at my grandfather's right now. Which is fine, since my truck's in our garage because I'm redoing the interior. Sometime this week I need to get a battery (I'm sick of having to swap the one between it and the Chevelle) and then top off the trans fluid again and it'll be back up and running.

I won't be driving it my last day of school, because that was Thursday! I'm graduated!

[JRC99]

Well, it runs again. I carried the battery over there (Don't do this. It was 40lbs. His house is half a mile. I'm out of shape. I had to stop and sit down every few houses and my arm hurt for 3 days).

I hope to take it to Graduation Thursday. So I have to get it out and give it a good cleaning.

[JRC99]

Gave 'er a bath. It needed it. And then a bird s**t on it immediately.
Also gave the Mustang a bath. I've never posted much about it- It doesn't make for a good story, because it never breaks *knock on wood*

[markinnaples]

Both look good, and congrats on graduating.

[JRC99]

Thanks!
I tried moving that Mustang. Holy cow the clutch is finnicky. I've been spoiled by my Dakota, which will happily roll along if I ease the clutch out. Within a 3 minute period, I must have stalled it 10 times.

[JRC99]

I took my graduation pictures with it. It's still not my car. When putting it in position, Pappaw noticed just how bad the shifter is (we never really mentioned it for fear of hurt feelings) and decided it'll go to the shop this week. Also, after 2 years of putting it off, I finally ordered the air shocks for it. It'll be stinkbuggin' again in no time.

[cook_dw]

Congrats on the graduation.

[JRC99]

Thank you!

[JRC99]

Time to make it sit properly again.

[scuncio]

I am amazed those are still being made. I am certain you have already been warned about this, but the shock mounts were never designed to carry the static load of the vehicle. Air shocks typically crack the upper shock mounts on A-body cars, not sure what happens on the F-bodies but just FYI.

(former chassis engineer)

[markinnaples]

I have them on my '68 Camaro as well, and I have considered putting a strut-type of bar between them that will hold the weight of the car instead of just keeping them bolted to the stock shock mounts. I had concerns like scuncio stated so I wanted to strengthen that area a little somehow.

[JRC99]

The ones that were on it were okay for 30 years, so I'm honestly not too scared. Besides, it never gets launched hard, and they aren't full. I put about 80 lbs in them.
(If problems do arise, I will be the first one to admit you were right though.)

Oh, and the traction bars were originally Yellow as I thought (talked to the previous owner who put the 454/TH400 in- he also did the slapper bars, and most likely the old shocks which were also HiJackers).
I'm going to have to paint them Yellow again.

[JRC99]

Also, for those in the Detroit area, the car will (possibly) be at the Barn show in Livonia this Sunday.

[JRC99]

Washed it again since we're taking it to a local cruise night.
Gotta admit, it sits *much* better now.

[cook_dw]

Just a little tidbit on cleaning cars in general. Washing a car all the time seems like a great idea but if the car isnt driven the water that finds it way into areas you wouldnt realize. Driving the car after washing the car allows the water to be pulled out of those areas and to dry out. Washing and then putting in the garage will increase the speed of rust under the vinyl top and paint. Get some quick detailer in the spray bottle and a very good microfiber towel. I have not washed the green car in over a year and the blue 67 has been washed once since being finished back in 2015.

Also go to autogeek and do some reading on detailing. Especially about clay bar usage and paint polishes.

I appreciate your enthusiasm but unfortunately you could do more harm than good. Food for thought.

[markinnaples]

Great points from an expert Darrell, thanks for posting those up.

[JRC99]

Just a little tidbit on cleaning cars in general. Washing a car all the time seems like a great idea but if the car isnt driven the water that finds it way into areas you wouldnt realize. Driving the car after washing the car allows the water to be pulled out of those areas and to dry out. Washing and then putting in the garage will increase the speed of rust under the vinyl top and paint. Get some quick detailer in the spray bottle and a very good microfiber towel. I have not washed the green car in over a year and the blue 67 has been washed once since being finished back in 2015.

Also go to autogeek and do some reading on detailing. Especially about clay bar usage and paint polishes.

I appreciate your enthusiasm but unfortunately you could do more harm than good. Food for thought.

Noted! Thank you!


As an aside, OH. MY. GOD. This thing is brakesteering like you would not believe. So, no show for it this Sunday.
In addition, the shifter needs to be gone through (we ended up not sending it in- just never materialized)

"Now, one step foward and two steps back, nobody gets too far like that.
One step forward and two steps back- this kinda dance can never last!"

[JRC99]

On a brighter note, I just ordered the NCRS/CMD report. Hopefully whatever dealer ordered it

A: Is the one that sold it
B: Kept records.

[JRC99]

Report came in.

Official production date was March 19, 1968, ordered by Fairchild Chevrolet in Lakewood, Ohio.
The original location's now a Gordon Food Services. A newer location is now Pat O'Brien Chevrolet. I severely doubt they have paperwork from 1968. (Though it would've been unlikely either way). Damn, I'm never going to find out how it was optioned.

[big gear head]

This is a very cool car. Although I own a '69 RS/SS 396 4 speed car, the '68 SS 396 has always been my favorite. I also love the color of yours, and the Cragar SS wheels and air shocks are very cool. Your Papaw has 2 of my favorite cars. I had a '67 SS 396 Chevelle when I was in high school and I love that car.

I've had experience with the Comp Cams Magnum 305 cam. I've piut them in a few big blocks and they are a bit on the radical side.

I don't know if you got the carburetor and timing fixed by now, but most of the time when someone brings their car to me and claims to have a carburetor problem it turns out to be an ignition timing problem. If you have not already done it try advancing the timing until the idle speed picks up. This is usually where you will get the best throttle response. With that cam you are going to need about 12 to 18 degrees of initial advance. Also, plug gaps with the HEI are .045. You need to find true TDC and install a timing tape on the balancer. Then find the total timing at around 3500 RPMs. It needs to be about 36 degrees. If it advances too much then you may run into detonation problems.

Have you checked the numbers on the heads yet? If you have the closed chamber rectangle port heads then you might need a little more timing.

You mentioned a burnout a while back. Although they are fun, I have seen several people destroy their cars while doing this. Be careful.

[JRC99]

I never did the burnout. I graduated before I could do it. As far as the timing, I still haven't checked it. The brakes need work before I get to that. I'm also certain that it's either timing or simply the trans not putting the power down, because the shifter is super sloppy. Haven't checked the numbers on the heads, either.

[Over Anxious]

What a beautiful 68 Camaro! Sounds like you are local to me as well. Maybe I'll see you at a show this summer :)

[JRC99]

Maybe! Autos for Autism at Garden City Middle School is this coming Monday.

Also, my dad's never launched this thing in first. My grandfather did today.

HOLY (censored)! This thing is an animal! I'm still grinning like a goof ball.
The brakes STILL need work (we adjusted them, didn't fully fix the pulling), and it needs a shifter cable, but, MY GOD, it moves!
Also, I poked around a bit underneath it. It has
A driveshaft loop, which makes me feel better, just for the added safety
KYB Gas A Just front shocks (not really noteworthy, but I felt like mentioning it)
And, the exhaust has an H pipe. Which, again, not noteworthy, just something I noticed.

[JRC99]

The car's going to the shop today, so no show tonight. I hope to take it to the Michigan Avenue Cruise on Saturday.

That launch in first gear convinced me that it's a hell of a lot closer to running properly then I thought. Engine wise, it runs more or less perfect, other than not idling till it warms up. Which is normal, so I'm not worried.

[DW31S]

Judging by a few of the photos, I'd be willing to bet the brake problems are being caused by a failing hose. They tend to deteriorate from the inside causing a "pull" to one side or the other. Clearly the car was a stick so that shifter could be mounted improperly and/or the cable needs to be adjusted. It is imperative to find where the timing is set. That in itself could be the root of several problems you're experiencing including the overheating. I applaud you for being of the younger generation and showing interest in these old cars. So far, none of your setbacks warrant throwing in the towel, they are merely tweaks that need to be addressed. Keep posting and asking for advice; we've all been where you are and have figured out what works and what doesn't.

[JRC99]

So, update few months later.

Brakes still aren't fixed. Shop's been super busy. About ready to say screw it and just go to discs up front. I've about had it with these drums needing attention every year. Plus, 454 and Drums don't really mix well.

Also, the thing has a bad, and I mean BAD, knock. It's had it for a while, but it's getting more and more pronounced. Probably a dead lobe on the cam/junk lifter, because I didn't know it was a flat tappet until two years ago.

It sucks, because that's money that I don't have, don't know if my grandfather has, and even if he does, I can't possibly ask him to spend it. So who the hell knows what's going to happen. We brought it back to our house for the Winter.

[JRC99]

I must make it clear that I am simply day-dreaming here, and not actually planning on this, but I felt making a separate thread would be pointless.

SO....

If I got a stock look PerTronix distributor, would I be able to run a vintage Mallory Voltmaster Mark II coil with it?
(Keep in mind, I'm young. What may be obvious to the more experienced will be unheard of to me). And could I put an Accel cap on it?

Like I said, this is just day-dreaming.

EDIT: Also, looking back through this, it's crazy how silly some of my posts sound.

[68bronze]

very nice Camaro always like seeing the SS side stripes painted correct and they are :beers:

[JRC99]

very nice Camaro always like seeing the SS side stripes painted correct and they are :beers:

Thanks! There's a couple imperfections. A little bit of bleed-thru around the end of the stripes on the door, where it goes to a point. But it's not a big deal to me. I just tell myself that it could've easily been done from the factory like that (if they painted them on- I don't know if they did)

(Also note that the car was repainted about 14 years ago, just to be clear)

[JRC99]

Okay, so something kept bothering me:
The NCRS report said the production date was March 19, 1968. But I remembered the tag reading 07C. How could there be such a gap?

So I looked.
https://i.imgur.com/hnvQveu.jpg

Whoops.


What happened was I mixed it up with the Chevelle, which was an 07C car.
https://i.imgur.com/e0mcfyV.jpg
So, since I know its official birthday, shall I get a cake for it in the spring? Lol.
Also, an update:

I'm getting money for Christmas this year, so I'll be ordering a front disc conversion kit for the Camaro.
Tired of the front drums. They always seem to need something and I'd like the peace of mind discs bring. Don't worry, I'll be boxing up the drums and putting them away.

[JRC99]

Today is its 50th birthday, so I started it up and let it run for a little bit.
https://i.imgur.com/fOU0G8R.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SDH9FJT.jpg
^ Photo from October of 2004. I think it was the first time I ever saw it after the restoration. I was five.

https://i.imgur.com/G6QiuOz.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNvRxzWSKgQ&feature=youtu.be

Here's to the next 50 years.

[markinnaples]

Still looks great.

[JRC99]

I did something minor today. The HiJackers stickers I put on are repops, and as such don't have the white background and ® symbol. So I found two of them on eBay, and bought them. The first came in today, and I put it on. One of those minor differences that most people won't notice, but I love.

Vintage one I put on:
https://i.imgur.com/w63BkWF.jpg

Repop I took off:
https://i.imgur.com/Z9zKBm6.jpg
Does this make it more drivable? Obviously not, but I can't really afford to fix the actual problems right now, so this was just a small thing I'd been wanting to do.

[BARNFOUND YENKO]

Looks great!

[mockingbird812]

Love them Hi Jackers! Have them on my Chevelle now and had them on my Deuce before!:biggthumpup:

[JRC99]

Thanks guys! I got the other one in today! Unfortunately, I slightly messed up putting it on and folded one of the edges over. But oh well.

I also ordered 454 emblems for the fenders, snubbers for the traction bars, and Traction... Action decals (I'm planning on painting the bars yellow soon)

My idea is to implement a few visual ideas I had before taking it to my grandfather's for the summer (Dad wants his garage space back for the summer) so I can pull off on the way there and snap a few good pictures of it.

[JRC99]

Traction bars are done and reinstalled! I still need to fix the brakes (not happening this year) and yank the valve covers and figure out the lifter situation. But it looks good at least.

[JRC99]

Never did post the little photo shoot I did with it. I drove it basically around the block because obviously with the brakes the way they are it's not safe to go any further with it. This was August. On the way back, I gave it a little bit more gas for giggles... and it backfired and stalled right outside my grandfather's house and scared the hell out of me. D'oh! I blame the lack of being driven and sitting with no Sta-Bil in it.

Next year, I WILL get this car on the road. Tired of beating around the bush, I wanna start cruising in it. Oh, and the engine badges are missing because the ones I ordered were too small, and I never got around to getting the right ones.

It's also funny to go back and read through this thread again. While I'm still by no means an expert, or hell, really even that experienced, I'm not nearly as clueless as I was when I first started posting.

[R68GTO]

You're doing great - keep working on it! Your car has a great "look":biggthumpup:

[JRC99]

You're doing great - keep working on it! Your car has a great "look":biggthumpup:

Thank you!

I'm itching to drive it again.

[mockingbird812]

GReat color combo, nice stance. Those clouds cooperatied for your shoot! Lookin’ GOOD! :biggthumpup:

[JRC99]

GReat color combo, nice stance. Those clouds cooperatied for your shoot! Lookin’ GOOD! :biggthumpup:
Thank you! It really was a perfect day. I just wish I had a better camera!

[JRC99]

It's (almost) time.

Come spring, Pap and I have agreed it's time to put disc brakes on it. He knows I want to start driving it (which is according to Dad, why he went with a 650 double pumper when it needed a carb- he specifically wanted to have it under-carbed for my safety. I can't blame him.) and so the front drums are coming off.

I. Cannot. Wait.

I'm not sure what's going to be done about the lifter. Something has to be, obviously. I'm just not sure if we're going to do it ourselves or not. Pap can't be out in the garage like he used to, sadly.

[scuncio]

I think the 650 will still get you into plenty of trouble.

I’m somewhat local if you need a hand with the lifter.

[JRC99]

Oh, I also forgot. I talked to a prior owner at Autorama. He said the 454 is engine #5 and it originally had an M22.

If it really is an L78 car, that makes it pretty unique. But, given the lack of proof, I'm not going to run around claiming it.

[JRC99]

Heartbeat City Camaro rocks! Ordered these belt buckle assemblies yesterday morning (bye bye paycheck) and they were here by 5 today. For some reason, the car's missing a pair of the belt buckles. Given that it was raced, I'm wondering if it had a harness or something at some point. Either way, I'm glad I'll be able to use the shoulder belts now. These are supposed to be restored originals. I say supposed to be because I don't know how to tell, and to be brutally honest, don't care. They look right and they'll work. That's all I need. Hopefully we can get the car running this spring. I'm itching to cruise it so damn bad. My buddy's got a '72 Ranchero that he wants to go Day 2 style with and I want to help bring the 70s back with him.

(The Ranchero is supposed to be getting slots soon, and most likely an original grille)

[JRC99]

Got the buckles installed and looking good.

However, more importantly, I did the dreaded magnet test. I expected the worst, with quite a bit of bondo.


AND GOT NONE. The magnet stuck every where! She's got some bubbling, but no rot that I can see (because God knows what's lurking under the vinyl top) and isn't full of mud. Not even behind the rear tires!

Biggest relief in quite a while.

[PeteLeathersac]

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Great updates and keep rockin'!
Your '72 Ranchero friend may like the '72 Torino YouTube link in this thread...
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159317
:beers:
~ Pete

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[JRC99]

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Great updates and keep rockin'!
Your '72 Ranchero friend may like the '72 Torino YouTube link in this thread...
https://www.yenko.net/forum/showthread.php?t=159317
:beers:
~ Pete

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That's one of the best car chases I've ever seen.

[JRC99]

Perhaps someone can school me a bit on the headlight bezels and grille trim. I've seen a couple like this, not painted and just bare stainless, but what's the deal? I know they were black from the factory.

Did repops used to be like this? Just worn off paint? And where can I find more incase something happens to these, because I like the look.

(Also, this virus is driving me nuts. I'm supposed to be waiting for my grandfather to schedule it for going in the shop!)

[JRC99]

So not 12 hours after my last post, I got a call from Pap. It's going to the shop "next month". Since it was March 31st, I'm not sure if that means April or May.

BUT IT'S FINALLY HAPPENING.

[AnthonyS]

Hah, I bet!

[Steve Shauger]

FYI I removed the spammer post and banned!

[JRC99]

Christmas was kind.

Got a set of Accel plug wires (so I can learn how to make them in the Spring) and a pair of speakers to replace the no longer functioning ones (it has kick panel speakers that were cut into it 30 years ago- so I'm not hacking anything up!)

After New Year's, I'm going to have Pappaw call his friend so we can set a CONCRETE date for April or May.

For the last 4 years I've been saying "this spring" and it never happens. (2020 has been a mess from front to back not just due to COVID, but for other reasons)

So I'm not making any more promises, but I can say we're going to try to plan things better. I need to drive this car in 2021.


I actually came across the son of the guy who painted it for Pap, on Facebook. He installed the vinyl top himself (though it did originally come with one). Said it was the second top he ever did. And he must be a natural because it came out perfect and still looks good almost 20 years later.

[JRC99]

Who says the youth don't do anything these days? Got a set of Accel plug wires for Christmas, so today my friend Darren and I put em together and put em on. Tomorrow I'm ordering valve covers for it (M/Ts, baby!) and I'll at least see if any valves are loose even though I'm not qualified to fix them.

Why am I doing all this if it just has to be disassembled again? Simple. Morale.

[JRC99]

When you put new valve covers on it make sure to get photos of the casting numbers and dates of the heads!

This is old, I know, but I finally did the valve covers. The heads are 291s.
The date code looks like 12-9. December of 1969 maybe? At least, I think that's the date code. Could be wrong. But they're definitely 291s.

Here it is buttoned up. Still got a couple minor things to do (mainly re-cleaning the plug wires on the driver's side from where I got oil on them and verifying the firing order again (diagrams confused me so dad will help me with it tomorrow) and then I'll fire it up again. There was one loose rocker arm and I'm hoping (but doubting) that was my valve train noise. If not, It's above my skillset- and budget.

But for now, enjoy the pretty!

[JRC99]

Just a small update. I fired it for a minute. Sounds like it's got a header leak, but that loose rocker was indeed the issue for the knock. When it gets warmer, I'll change the oil. try to perfect the timing, and motorwise she's good.

[RogerD]

Joe,

Michelin radials were around (aftermarket) back then so, “Day 2” acceptable in my opinion :biggthumpup:

That August day I bought my new 69 Chevelle, I drove away with a set of Michelin radials (just a couple of weeks old, off my 66 Chevelle) swapped by Bill Allen’s shop as part of the deal :)

This seems like a good place to introduce myself. I'm Joe. I'm 15 and have grown up a total gearhead. I'm completely in love with Day 2 cars and 70's Street Machines/Street Freaks.
. . . Clearly, It's pretty Day 2 apart from the MSD ignition and Flowmasters (and the radial tires).

[JRC99]

Joe,

Michelin radials were around (aftermarket) back then so, “Day 2” acceptable in my opinion :biggthumpup:

That August day I bought my new 69 Chevelle, I drove away with a set of Michelin radials (just a couple of weeks old, off my 66 Chevelle) swapped by Bill Allen’s shop as part of the deal :)


Yeah, but to my eyes, nothing looks better than a fat pair of bias plies sticking out a touch past the rear quarters!

[JRC99]

Annnnd my knock is back!

Using a stethoscope, it seems to be coming from near the timing cover.

And, it wouldn't be this car if something else didn't also go wrong- the fuel pump is leaking. Great.

That header leak sound, though? Gone. Was either from the wrong firing order, or, something cam related if that rocker arm nut came loose. I'll probably yank the cover again and double check.

EDIT: Cranking it by hand while watching the rotor proves the chain is trashed. I'll start there.

[WILMASBOYL78]

The factory nylon gear and crappy chain were an accident waiting to happen. If you can see the wear from watching the rotor, don't wait too long take care of it. Be sure you get a quality double roller steel chain and a new set of gears.

Other items to check are the valve train parts...the big block motors of that vintage were known for 'dropping valves'. The BB springs and hardware were part of the problem...you might want to look at changing out the top end pieces, if time and budget allow. I did it on our 70 TH400 car many years ago...the timing chain fell off into my hand when I took the cover off :tongue:

I changed all the valve springs, keepers, retainers...installed new valve seals. Reused pushrods and rocker arms, balls and nuts....they looked pretty good. Those 291 heads are the hi-perf units...big valves, rectangular ports...typically meant for high compression like 11 to 1.

Good luck with the car...

-wilma

[JRC99]

The factory nylon gear and crappy chain were an accident waiting to happen. If you can see the wear from watching the rotor, don't wait too long take care of it. Be sure you get a quality double roller steel chain and a new set of gears.

Other items to check are the valve train parts...the big block motors of that vintage were known for 'dropping valves'. The BB springs and hardware were part of the problem...you might want to look at changing out the top end pieces, if time and budget allow. I did it on our 70 TH400 car many years ago...the timing chain fell off into my hand when I took the cover off :tongue:

I changed all the valve springs, keepers, retainers...installed new valve seals. Reused pushrods and rocker arms, balls and nuts....they looked pretty good. Those 291 heads are the hi-perf units...big valves, rectangular ports...typically meant for high compression like 11 to 1.

Good luck with the car...

-wilma

Most, if not all of the valve train, is probably Comp Cams at this point. It had a 305H installed at some point in the 80s and I'd imagine the pushrods and springs were done too.

As for the chain, it's definitely getting done sooner rather than later.

[JRC99]

I've been toying with it here and there when it's a touch warmer, now that we've got a couple heaters for the garage.

Been fighting the shifter. With the new detent plate it won't go into park or 1st, and the cable from inside the car looks good, so I'm just waiting for it to warm up enough for me to work on the car with the garage door open so I can jack it up.

But looking at the old one, it's no wonder why it sucked!

[JRC99]

I've managed to get some useless stuff done, but nothing of importance.

I'm pretty much certain it's got the wrong shifter cable. To distract myself from that disappointment, I decided to put the speakers I got for Christmas into it. Well, the old wires were just too brittle to trust, and I had a hard time getting the radio out, so.... RETROSOUND!

Of course, even that can't go smoothly. I had to order the plastic retainer for the dash bezel, which I'm waiting on. And I only ordered one speaker grille (the ones I got didn't come with 'em) so that too.

Trying to finish one project at a time, but I need some help.

I have to do the fuel pump, so that's the next project. I'm sure it's not, but I am hoping and praying that's where my engine noise is from, rather than a timing chain or god forbid dead cam lobe. It's always run just inconsistent enough to where none of them can be ruled out. I really don't know. I'm sure replacing the chain would be a good idea, but between the brakes (which still aren't done- and I need to find someone else who can do them, as the guy we wanted is retiring, and I sure as hell don't have the skill and brakes are one area I don't want to play around with) and whatnot, the money just isn't there right now.

It's a 454, 10.25:1, 291 heads, and a Comp 305H flat tappet. What's the right flow? 80 GPH? 110? I've never replaced one (and I've been warned of making sure I get the lever in the right spot)


Oh, and I was jamming to Beggars' Day when I took the picture, in case you wondered!

[scuncio]

Just get a standard AC pump. I have a rebuilt one in the classifieds.

What’s wrong with your brakes? Sounds like an easy one to knock out. How far are you from Grosse Pointe?

[JRC99]

Just get a standard AC pump. I have a rebuilt one in the classifieds.

What’s wrong with your brakes? Sounds like an easy one to knock out. How far are you from Grosse Pointe?

They need to be converted to disc, that's the issue lol. I've never even so much as changed a master cylinder, and have done a caliper like once. I'm in Garden City, so about 35 minutes according to Google (not much of a traveler so I had to look it up)

[GrumpyJeff]

Beggars Day !!! Good Old Nazareth Hair of the Dog 8 track ,that brings back some memories of my V8 Vega Days

[JRC99]

Time for the yearly update, and it's... not a good one.

As you all know, the car has never gone into the shop like we've been saying for years.

Which means it's still knocking like a Jehovah's witness, and still has faulty brakes.

The reason was I never wanted to push too hard for Pappaw to do it- technically his car, his money, but it just never felt right for me to badger him about it since it would have been for my benefit. So I figured when he was ready he was ready.

Well, last month, our family lost our hero. Pap was 70. Lung cancer took him from us.

Our last conversation was about 20 minutes before he passed. It was about a 383 stroker in his garage. My parents, my sister, and my aunt and uncle all said his voice was much clearer when we were talking. I like to think I gave him one last burst of energy. I'll miss him the rest of my life.

But what sticks with me is something he told my aunt.

He said he never was able to figure this car out. A big part was life getting in the way. But it's never, ever run quite right no matter where the timing was, or how the carb was tuned, even before it started making noise.

He told her it's my car to fix, it's up to me.

I'm not super mechanical but it's time to learn. Because I will fix this car with my own two hands if it kills me.



As for the other 3 cars? The Foxbody is also mine- that car is the one he set up exactly how he wanted it. It has parts that he designed himself. It's staying in this family forever.

The National is going to my aunt. This is a good thing as she loves it more than I do. Which is saying a lot.

The Chevelle is up in the air to be honest. Long story.

I can't really work on any of them right now. Another long story. But as soon as I'm able to, I'll be posting updates.

[markinnaples]

Hey man, really, really sorry about the loss of your grandfather. My dad passed from lung cancer/emphysema/COPD, partially from smoking, but mostly from bodywork and painting for over 50 years of his life. Prayers for you and your family.

[RPOLS3]

Sorry for your loss - we're all here to help when you are ready.

[69M22Z]

Very sorry for the loss of your Grandfather. Thoughts and prayers to you and your family.

[scuncio]

Sorry for your loss. As I mentioned, I’m not far if you decide to fix it yourself.

[JRC99]

Thanks all. I've already decided I'm certainly fixing it myself. It's just a matter of going thru probate unscathed. Shouldn't be an issue- everyone in the family is in agreement.

[Crush]

Sorry for your loss. As I mentioned, I’m not far if you decide to fix it yourself.

Not far either. I’m open to help also, maybe a Saturday engine pulling party!!

[chevyman0429]

I’m also in Michigan and could help out if needed!

[SuperNovaSS]

I’m sorry for your loss. Even if the engine lost a cam lobe, it will be a labor of love and you will make it right. Enjoy every minute of it.

Jason

[Too Many Projects]

Echoing the sentiment of sorrow for the loss of your Grandpa, for you and the entire family. 70 was way too young. :frown:
My dad passed 10 years ago, almost to this day, from lung cancer too.

[BJCHEV396]

My condolences on the loss of your grandfather.Good luck moving forward.

[dykstra]

Sorry for your loss. We are here to help!

[Pro Stock John]

Sorry for your loss, hope you can get the car roadworthy for him.

Lost my dad in 2020 from COPD (smoking) and some other health stuff and Covid finished him off.

[JRC99]

Alright fellas, I still haven't learned to leave well enough alone.

I monkey'd with the one noisy rocker today, and actually went in the right direction. Then it started doing this. The pushrod is straight, the lifter is working (put my finger on the pushrod and ran it) and whether the rocker is on, off, loose, properly tightened, doesn't matter, doesn't care where the distributor is, it does this. I leaned both carb screws half turn each, I don't think it's actually backfiring. It still makes 55psi cranking and all the other passenger rockers are fine (I didn't feel like fighting the driver's side around the booster to be honest)

Ideas?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2wpu0QJLg

(This is where I really wish Pappaw was still here. He could probably listen to it for half of a second and tell me exactly what's wrong with it)

[Too Many Projects]

Sounds like a cam lobe going flat, usually the exhaust letting the burned fuel back fire thru the carb. Pull the left cover and instigate.