Thoughts on this car, real?

[69LM1]

Not real clear on the 68 Z's but this is near me and attainable.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-C75brz7TWzg/VM1eefhUo7I/AAAAAAAACJc/iJpn_QRBEEE/w1026-h532-no/ttag.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Xs7oU42pJOI/VM1edLs_NUI/AAAAAAAACJw/v6Q99agg6Mk/w883-h569-no/Tire.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-HFtbPEk24-Y/VM1eeLvSMJI/AAAAAAAACJY/SiY_bHUwmGw/w1038-h423-no/tach.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XwYMTq7Tkv8/VM1eeOJPuRI/AAAAAAAACJ4/Ucm9T0OORjo/w1037-h419-no/steering.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-HwbEa5WT0yE/VM1ed_7j7MI/AAAAAAAACJU/CuDI3S8DjFs/w1037-h553-no/steerbox.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-PKbHLFR-LxE/VM1edl-hfII/AAAAAAAACJg/t3nR4YSfqZI/w1038-h428-no/shifter.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lSqMMYhmZYI/VM1edibCX6I/AAAAAAAACJI/TEBUUCTtozM/w443-h543-no/rotors.jpg


https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-9SxCQILWRJQ/VM1edgk-uNI/AAAAAAAACJo/MHB5c5iAgi0/w1038-h535-no/fwall.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-lMmMaiNn0o8/VM1edSyPzJI/AAAAAAAACJs/5ZQmB8vmOHI/w1038-h536-no/fuel.jpg


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-SzYYIqu0yPY/VM1edEb_OgI/AAAAAAAACJ0/gFrJt_z8PwQ/w1037-h537-no/fuel-steer.jpg


Rich

[ds1]

4 leaf springs 8 the back. Not 5

[6t7 camaro]

Cool color combo, British Green with a white vinyl top. I believe the tach should redline at 6000 though.

[69LM1]

Rear is not original I think. No traction bar ( I think it is supposed to have one?) and the car is on 4 flats so I could not get under to see. It is a 12bolt though.

Rich

[acelr8]

No traction bar on 68. Should be 6K redline. Muncie hole is a correct clue and TP sticker but are frame stands same height? Non original shifter though,
Would have had a muncie one. Jeff

[427TJ]

Says E70x15 tires and that sticker looks original.

[Day2_69Z]

is this an old drag car ?
I see cragar / centerline wheels on the front.
4 flats,, you can still see if its a 12 bolt or Dana.
Should have 4 leafs , if changed ,it probably has mono leafs for racing.
It does have the oil pressure line through the firewall but its pieced together and hanging on the booster.
They are right, it should have a 6k tach

[69LM1]

Not so much an old drag car as an old street racer car. Car is on 4 flats on a trailer, no major rust and nothing cut out of the car (ie firewall, qtrs., etc). One fender looks like it was changed somewhere in the past and one looks original. Has a 12 bolt, but I could not get far enough under the car to see the top of the axle tube to get a code, and since I thought that the 68's had the traction bar I just figured it was not the original rear. It does have the 4 leaf springs (forgot to snap a pic of that).
Nothing original as far as engine/tranny or parts such as carb, exhaust manifolds etc.


I can get this car and a old beat up 68 drag car (it was cut up) and 1/2 a horse trailer of old parts (some for the 68's and some "race" parts) for $9,500.00


Rich

[luzl78]

That sounds like an ok price especially if there are some of those rare tire valve caps in the trailer.

[Stefano]

The original fender will have factory punched holes for emblems, 350 emblems different than Z28 emblem holes. Also look in the firewall cowl area for evidence of white paint.

While I have never seen a Z28 with 14" tire sticker, I have seen non Z28s with 15" wheel sticker.........just my hands on experience.

[ZAPPER68]

While I have never seen a Z28 with 14" tire sticker, I have seen non Z28s with 15" wheel sticker.........just my hands on experience

Yup, you're right Stefano,...all 68Z's had 15x6' wheels and a 6K redline tach. The traction bars were for the 67Z's.

[budnate]

probably a ss 350 car, has the right firewall piercing for a muncie and tach reflects a 350 car, see what the date is on the tach assembly

[resto4u]

the holes for the speedo cable and back-up light hareness are correct.

[scuncio]

15" tires make it highly likely that it was a Z. If it's a 3.73 or numerically higher, even more likely. But there is no way to tell for sure with a '68....

[69LM1]

Good tips guys. Ill make a return visit and check for things like the stripe paint etc. Still on the fence with the price. Figure a whole mo setup is in the 10k range and a frame off resto in the 45k range more or less would put it in the 65k range done. Looks like they are selling in the 60 to 80k range for nom cars?

There is a slight chance that I could get some paper. This is the second owner, the lady is going through a divorce and her x husbands uncle is the original owner, and he owns a chevy dealership that is still in business. However, due to the divorce he wont give her the papereork.

Supposedly this car was ordered and the guy got drafted to nam and when it came in the family didnt want to take delivery so the uncle kept it as the 69s were almost out and everyone wanted a 69.

At least thats her story. She also was awarded in the divorce two plain jane 68's and several later years irocs and one later z vert.

Rich

[Day2_69Z]

Rich.
you can't go wrong at those $#'s.

I'd be interested In some of those trailer parts.

[scuncio]

I would be over there yesterday with the $9500. You could probably get $10k for the Z/SS car as-is if it isn't too bad.

[69LM1]

Most of the parts are old race parts headers, traction bars etc not sure they would be much value.

I bet it would look good though with the white vinyl top and rs.

Positive it is a real rs, and that is all still there. Its got the correct wire harness and holes in back for same. Asssume that like 69 rs means all the bright work and trim.

Rich

[69LM1]

What about fuel line and sway bar?

Rich

[Salvatore]

60 to 80 G's with NOM's??
1968 Z/28's are selling for that much?

[BillD]

"Looks like they are selling in the 60 to 80k range for nom cars?" Since I own a 68 Z/28 I kind of watch the values. I hope your numbers are correct and I am out of touch but I would think a really nice restored 68Z without the original motor would not make it into the $60K price range. I would be very pleased to hear that I am completely wrong and my car is worth much more than I think it is.

[69LM1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: [email protected]</div><div class="ubbcode-body">60 to 80 G's with NOM's??
1968 Z/28's are selling for that much? </div></div>

With a full frame off anyway. It looks to me like the market hit rock bottom and is starting to creep back up. I only fool with a handful of cars every few years so I am sure some guys here have a better handle on current cars and values, which is one of the reasons I posted.

Ill be moving most of my cars out in a few years when the kids hit college anyway..... so this is not any kind of dream car for me or anything, just something that fell in my lap.

I do feel bad for the lady, she is older and since the divorce needs the $$. Of course, I am sure the xhusband is not happy about his car collection being sold off. She does have clear title to the cars, I did check on that. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Edit: Maybe I am lumping 67 Z value into 68 Z?

Rich

[scuncio]

Just buy the damn thing :-)

I also have a '68 Z and watch the market pretty closely. I would guess the 60-80k range would apply for a car with the original motor. NOM would be on the low end of that range unless there were a lot of docs with the car.

[69LM1]

Ok,

Casey Cajun from here (and Camaros.net) is coming over and we are going to go look at it again. I talked to the lady and she claims that the original transmission is in the car parts trailer (a horse trailer) so I guess I'll go a pickin an see if that is correct. Ill also bring a jack and some jackstands this time and see if I can read the rear end codes.

Anything else you guys can think of?

I'll try to get a pic of the Z28 emblem inside the fender that looks original and see if the hole punch looks factory.

Ill check this thread when I get there, about an hour away.

Rich

[69LM1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just buy the damn thing :-)

I also have a '68 Z and watch the market pretty closely. I would guess the 60-80k range would apply for a car with the original motor. NOM would be on the low end of that range unless there were a lot of docs with the car. </div></div>

That's the problem..... I was asked to go look at her cars to help her out. She can't afford to hire Jerry to authenticate the car, nor restore any of them and I went out there thinking no way these are real Z's. Then from my limited 68 skills I was kind of shocked when one of them (and the much nicer one at that) started looking like it was.

I wonder if the uncle knows where the original block, POP or Paperwork is. That would really make this a worthwhile.

IF (big IF) I were to scoop it up, I would not want to really take advantage of her. She is really hurting for $$ and I could probably walk up to her with 5k cash and she would take it, I would rather see a fair deal for her. It's why I am trying to see what they are selling for done and what it takes to finish one.

Ill shoot some more pics.

Rich

[Billohio]

Price of 9500 doesn't seem out of line.
There were 2 good 68 Z's at mecum Kissimmee . One had a color change and some pin holes in trunk for 57500 and a nice rally green that said it had won best of show at camaro nationals 2 years brought 55000

[Salvatore]

WOW, I though only 69's brought that kind of money in that condition.
67 Z/28's always brought pretty good money but the 68 cars were tuff (I thought) to sell at 40-50 grand in fairly nice shape.

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Stefano</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The original fender will have factory punched holes for emblems, 350 emblems different than Z28 emblem holes. Also look in the firewall cowl area for evidence of white paint.

While I have never seen a Z28 with 14&quot; tire sticker, I have seen non Z28s with 15&quot; wheel sticker.........just my hands on experience. </div></div>

Someone here has a Survivor Lemans Blue 68 L78 with HONE OD and 4.88's with the 15&quot; wheel option as documented by the original Window Sticker.

[69LM1]

New Pics from this afternoon

Car:

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-nu72cVIi71Y/VM61zm5CAvI/AAAAAAAACKg/iGqn1d9k93M/w928-h555-no/68Z.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7KTgZNU5bWk/VM61zkB1cgI/AAAAAAAACL4/1sl8YBwSW9w/w929-h553-no/68ZR.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-mtoKQV3Tbgs/VM610NUZ38I/AAAAAAAACKs/ilbEERwDN6U/w595-h568-no/68ZS.jpg


4 Leaf Springs

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-crMSZB85dm8/VM61zqGLgXI/AAAAAAAACKw/EdSjlit_d4s/w1038-h566-no/4Leaf.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-YohFqL1j72k/VM611wnBYHI/AAAAAAAACLk/cUdx2zViIdM/w1038-h564-no/rear.jpg

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NcDE0n7MB5k/VM6101cEbEI/AAAAAAAACLI/cSm5-QGS-80/w1031-h573-no/caliper.jpg

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-R2f0D3rECu0/VM611Jl-PPI/AAAAAAAACLs/2nLQykyHcWA/w1038-h565-no/enginebay.jpg

Interior
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-kFVU9tqEAW4/VM610GN1zuI/AAAAAAAACL8/I1ikrsH0pVM/w1038-h552-no/Int.jpg

Vin
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-WMIBb6_69Gk/VM610cyxmHI/AAAAAAAACLY/6aelQEQF2zs/w895-h489-no/VIN.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-dlTCkoxEd_g/VM610SCEztI/AAAAAAAACK8/oGTPAd-2DLQ/w942-h557-no/VINcon.jpg

Booster:
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-2U-7PeBan5A/VM610kWKrTI/AAAAAAAACLA/Por42kmg8Kg/w763-h557-no/booster.jpg

Oil Pressure
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NxV12azaM1c/VM611aJOtzI/AAAAAAAACLU/IFpdOwZofdI/w796-h448-no/oilpress.jpg


https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-uuQ1qhDzJc0/VM612JUI8XI/AAAAAAAACL0/BYSpGlzdAaM/w1038-h559-no/trunk.jpg



Heres what I can see from paint. On the front header panel someone did not finish prepping the car and remove some masking tape from the (rough) paint job. In sanding both where the white stripe should be and where it should not be under the tape it looks like there is white paint where it would be expected and only green to the right.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hZDBv7mNP4w/VM612JfgnfI/AAAAAAAACLo/R71gxUe97_M/w1038-h558-no/stripes.jpg


Rich

[scuncio]

Cool. Surprisingly even has the correct tape lines around the trunk emblem.

[GTO_DON]

That's a good looking car. I like it just the way it is.

[ds1]

RS cars have the extra hole in the firewall for the vacuum hoses as well as the vacuum reservoir and it looks like the washer bottle is in the correct location for an RS car. 03C trim tag date is right around the change from a 302 emblems to the Z28 emblems. 4 leaf spring rear, 4 speed z bar, 15 inch wheels all point that direction. GOOD looking car

[Stefano]

At this point we are talking about a non original engine and undocumented Z28. Remember auctions charge 8-10% and up to $1,500.00 entry fee, plus shipping, travel, room and board etc. If your doing this to make money, the math is not in your favor.

If your restoring it to have fun with and getting most of your investment back is the objective then you' should be OK. If by chance you knock the ball out of the park.....we'll that's great, but I wouldn't expect to on this particular car.

Is it worth $9,500.00 the way it sits.....I think that is a no brainer, if the metal is solid.

The deluxe steering wheel not having an SS emblem if original is a clue. The rear spoiler was added if the rear antenea is stock.

[69LM1]

I didnt get to see the supposed original transmission. It is in the shop and no one was able to come open it this evening. I did tell her that everything really points to this being a real z. Mentiined that it might be a good idea to restore it herself as she has no actual $ in it.

Like Stefano pointed out, not sure if it is worth it for a frame off after spending 9500 on it.

She is apparently about to lose her home and said make her an offer. Its certainly not something I have dreamed of. Ill sleep on it and think about if I want to tackle it.

Thanks for the advice guys.......

Fwiw, Casey wanted to give her 5500 for it. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Rich

[ds1]

Mecum sold one of the best 68 Zs in Harrisburg this year. It had a ton of options, superb documentation, and low mileage sold for $105,000. Also a British racing green car. It was the exception. A non number matching car done well tops out around $55,000. I have seen several in the $25,000 to $50,000 range. The USUAL dealers are pricing them at $65,000 to $80,000. Those guys have been advertising there cars for a while.

[Kurt S]

What was the axle code?

[69LM1]

Still was not able to get under it (I am too fat! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif ) to get the axle numbers. Maybe Casey was not too far off then.

Another possibility is to just drop an engine in it, clean it up and as Don said, dive it like it as is. Pretty cool ol' car sorta thing.

The tank does look like it has never been off the car and the hose that connects the neck to the filler tube still has the pyramid clamps on them. Still the same as the 69 NOR cars where it is rare to find a broadcast or build sheet on top the tank I assume?

Rich

[ds1]

That would be your best action if you want it to make money. Get it running, drive it for a while and let it go when you want to

[Fast67VelleN2O]

I would scoop that car up in a heartbeat for $9,500. Nice car.

[scuncio]

If you pass on it, either Matt or I will be down there with a trailer tomorrow! I don't understand why you are still debating buying these cars....

[GTO_DON]

I'm ready to give you 12k for it if you want to flip it Rich.

[69LM1]

Honestly I would feel really bad to make money off of this lady. She is in a bad way about to lose her house.

I tell you guys what (and Charlie, feel free to move this if needed to Classifieds) I will list her Phone number here and you can give her a call. The other 68 I would not fool with, it has a 6 banger vin and was once a race car and was hacked to bits and rebuilt.

Her number is(985)400-9536 and her name is Eve and I will let her know that Tony and Don offered first on the car. If any of you other guys want to jump in that's ok too.

Hope it works out for all of you guys and her.

Just remember me when I am moving one of my cars in the future <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif


Rich

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69LM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Honestly I would feel really bad to make money off of this lady. She is in a bad way about to lose her house.

I tell you guys what (and Charlie, feel free to move this if needed to Classifieds) I will list her Phone number here and you can give her a call. The other 68 I would not fool with, it has a 6 banger vin and was once a race car and was hacked to bits and rebuilt.

Her number is(985)400-9536 and her name is Eve and I will let her know that Tony and Don offered first on the car. If any of you other guys want to jump in that's ok too.

Hope it works out for all of you guys and her.

Just remember me when I am moving one of my cars in the future <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif


Rich </div></div>

Nice to see some compassion and a display of conscience in this new shark-tank world we live in. If you want to do her another favor you can help her not get taken by some flipper.

[69LM1]

I would think the money being talked about here (12kish) has to be pretty close to full ride and I would think pretty fair. I advised her to take that especially since she needs the cash and does not have time to list and ebay or wait for an auction.

Hopefully this will be a win-win and we will see what this car looks like restored!

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

Rich

[scuncio]

Could look something like this with some work (this one's a NOM car, too)

http://tinyurl.com/qewv942