69 Z28 Rear Stripe detail

[PapaSmurf]

Hello all
I will be sending my 69 Z to get some rust issues taken care of & have a repaint done in the near future. At the same time I wish to take care of some minor detail issues brought up on the MacNeish appraisal report. It notes that the "rear stripes are too short, should come up closer to rear window" but after measuring them (see picture) & referencing the 1969 Camaro Factory Assembly Instruction Manual (see attached page) they seem to be as specified. The manual indicates that they should stop 5.2 inches from the Coupe Rear Window Molding or .62 inches from the Coupe Vinyl Top Molding if so equipped.
I have seen numerous "original paint" cars that have stripes that stop much closer than 5.2 inches from the window molding & want to make sure it is done correctly.
Your help in sorting this out would be greatly appreciated. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-18955-22414-img_0659.jpg

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-18955-22413-img_0657.jpg

[olredalert]

----Not the first time an expert has been wrong......Bill S

[al8apex]

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ditto

Van Nuys or Norwood car?

[PapaSmurf]

Norwood car
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-18955-22440-img_0553.jpg

[William]

The normative practice was for the rear stripes to be positioned .62&quot; from <span style="font-style: italic">either</span> molding. There are plenty of original paint cars around to verify. The 5.2&quot; dimension shown is likely incorrect. However there were a small number of Van Nuys Z/28s painted that way. I do not know of a Norwood Z/28 with the short rear striping.

[x77-69z28]

The stripes on your beautiful burnished brown Z are for a car with a vinyl roof or a pace car.
Buddy

[70 copo]

If the stripes pictured are original there are a variety of issues in plant to cause a minor deviation like that.

If that is the way it was I would leave it as is.

IMO..With each car that gets reworked to meet the &quot;normative practice&quot; more of the authentic and unique human influenced detail of the build is then lost to history - forever.

[MailOrderMotion]

I agree with what Phil said.

[William]

That's Sonny B's former car and it has been repainted. There is no reason to believe that is how the stripes were originally.

[PapaSmurf]

Yes it was previously owned by Sonny &amp; has had one repaint about 30 years ago so yes I agree that it might not be the same as factory. I was just trying to get some resolution for the difference between the factory manual &amp; what I've seen on unrestored cars &amp; the MacNeish appraisal report before I get it repainted. The manual indicates one measurement &amp; the pictures I've seen of &quot;unrestored&quot; cars indicates another so I was hoping for some feedback from those of you who own or have been up close &amp; personal with some original paint survivor cars.

[William]

The 5.20&quot; dimension in the Assembly Instruction Manual has caused its share of confusion over the years, starting at the Van Nuys plant. Fellow CRG Historian Jon Mello has documented several OE paint '69 Z/28s striped like that, all Van Nuys cars to the best of my knowledge. And Phil is right; correct or not that is how those particular cars should be restored.

Were this my car I would repaint the stripes to conform with the .62&quot; dimension. That's the style seen on the majority of survivor Z/28s. And at this time there is no Norwood Z/28 known with the short rear striping.

[PapaSmurf]

Thanks for the info William. It's greatly appreciated!
I notice that you're in New Berlin, WI which is I believe close to Milwaukee where the car was originally sold at Jim King Chevrolet.

[William]

That's correct. Jim King Chev was a small dealership in a residential neighborhood. Grew up nearby and bought my first '69 Z/28 there in 1975 out of the back row of the used car lot. Not a hi-performance dealership, closed in the early '80s. The original building and showroom remains intact.

[m22mike]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The normative practice was for the rear stripes to be positioned .62&quot; from <span style="font-style: italic">either</span> molding. There are plenty of original paint cars around to verify. The 5.2&quot; dimension shown is likely incorrect. However there were a small number of Van Nuys Z/28s painted that way. I do not know of a Norwood Z/28 with the short rear striping.


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Here is one of those LA cars William is refering to. Picture compliments of the Interweb <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-2974-22523-dsc01876.jpg

[Hotrodpaul]

Here is a rear shot of my original paint Norwood 69 Z-28, appears to be around 5/8&quot; gap from the molding. I will get a dimension today.

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-2198-22524-dscn0254.jpg

Paul

[PapaSmurf]

Paul
Thanks for the picture. Nice looking ride.
How long have you owned the car?
By the way, who added the right side mirror?

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 70 copo</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the stripes pictured are original there are a variety of issues in plant to cause a minor deviation like that.

If that is the way it was I would leave it as is.

IMO..With each car that gets reworked to meet the &quot;normative practice&quot; more of the authentic and unique human influenced detail of the build is then lost to history - forever. </div></div>

I agree 100%...

Here is an early 9B LA never restored original owner Z with the narrow 68 Style rear stripe layout.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-B6Qcm2WJySY/UttISkEnpfI/AAAAAAAAH3s/KM3vRpKPAG0/w1034-h776-no/BLUE%2BSURVIVOR%2B%26%2BORANGE%2B%2BSURVIVOR%2BZ28 %2B062.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-a4-Y6Ny5UGw/UttIMsIevQI/AAAAAAAAH3U/NYQscPuIreA/w1034-h776-no/BLUE%2BSURVIVOR%2B%26%2BORANGE%2B%2BSURVIVOR%2BZ28 %2B040.JPG

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-egglmJ8CS14/UttIRGsHb6I/AAAAAAAAH4I/BLZ7zo6zeOE/w1034-h776-no/BLUE%2BSURVIVOR%2B%26%2BORANGE%2B%2BSURVIVOR%2BZ28 %2B058.JPG

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-3xicEvz7QQw/UttISog0XGI/AAAAAAAAId8/HsL8ZeyTOEY/w1034-h776-no/BLUE%2BSURVIVOR%2B%26%2BORANGE%2B%2BSURVIVOR%2BZ28 %2B063.JPG

[Hotrodpaul]

I have owned the car for about 6 months. The previous owner added the mirror.

BTW, I measured 5/8&quot; from the stripe to the rear window molding.

Thanks, Paul

[Mark_C]

Those dimensions in the AIM have been subject to numerous discussions over the years, along with the width of the body color stripe between the inner and outer stripe sections, and the outer pin stripe width. The passenger side stripe is also wider than the drivers side, by about 5/8&quot; of an inch (documented on survivor Norwood assembled cars), so that the Camaro Script stays completely within the stripe. If its painted the same width the emblem hangs over the smaller stripe and onto the body color between the stripe and the edge of the trunk. Be carefull with the stripe placement no matter which layouts you use.