Webster's 67 Bel Air Conversion

[kwhizz]

My friend and Power Tour companion Mark Webster sold his Big Block 66 Impala last year and ended up buying an original paint 67 Bel Air Arizona car to replace it......All original 283, powerglide, Factory A/C car.............But......After watching Charley and his LS cars being trouble free during our trips........He has "Seen the Light" and went to the LS side (like me)......LOL......Just so happens I have no projects going on.......So.........Here we go ......another build thread.......LOL.....Here's the starting point.............


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Stay tuned

[Donnie]

wheres the popcorn. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[300deluxeL79]

move over, don't hog the couch... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Xplantdad]

Ahhh...as it should be!

You guys don't have a ton of time to do this...since the tour starts on June 6th...But knowing you, it'll be done in 3 weeks <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[mssl72]

Somebody crack me a beer to go with the popcorn! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[novadude]

This is gonna be way cool, if it keeps a stock-ish look and doesn't get all &quot;pro-touring&quot; with 18&quot; wheels etc to go with the LS!

[Charley Lillard]

I know. That look with 18's is terrible. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/03/full-23-23750-dsc_1581.jpg
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[earntaz]

LS conversion?!? And another nice example of old iron bites the dust!

[427TJ]

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[kwhizz]

Started on the disassembly today.....Jacked the car up and went underneath..........Can you say WOW!!!........This car is so pristine it's crazy.........just a little surface rust and that's it......I'm posting a lot of pic's that show nothing other than the condition of the car........Then with the engine out........Mark did some checking around and we are going to keep the Factory A/C in place........Here are some pic's...........


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[kwhizz]

More........


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[kwhizz]

More........


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That's all for today................Time for a Nap!!!

[Xplantdad]

Dang rust free AZ cars <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/mad.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/grin.gif

[novadude]

That thing looks really solid. You don't find them like that in the rust belt.

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

Jealous!

[mockingbird812]

Clean and CLEAN!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/shocked.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[Zman1969]

Can I see in the trunk? I wanna see if you have room for me on HRPT Love the 67-68 lines!

[Mr70]

Is there such thing as a car in Arizona w/o air conditioning?
Nice to see it up here &amp; going to be driven. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[earntaz]

I still say -- with all that room under the hood ... it would look a heck of a lot better with a BBC instead of a LS. Just sayin' ... TAZ

[Charley Lillard]

But the idea is to have something that runs better. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[VintageMusclecar]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">But the idea is to have something that runs better. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif </div></div>

Damn, that's cold. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/eek.gif

[Verne_Frantz]

You'd better investigate the application of that large pulley on the AC compressor. You might be surprised..... I'm sure it's not the original for that 283.

Verne <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

[earntaz]

UGH!@#$

[earntaz]

I know, I know -- to each their own. IMHO a classic with an LS stuffed between the fenders is like a good looking gal with a terrible case of buck teeth ...

[earntaz]

Everything looks good until you open the hood or she smiles ...

[kwhizz]

I didn't have any plans to work on Mark's car today.....But.......When I got home and opened the garage door the engine was calling me......there were a couple unknowns........the engine had a GM Muscle car pan that was already on it from it's previous installation in a 55 Chevy......so......We had talked about getting a Holley 302-1 pan because I knew that one would work out with the engine raised slightly with the motor mount adaptor plates like I made for my Impala install.. .......So......the first thing I did was to wash off the slight amount of Oil that was on the front crossmember.....(Probably the first time it was ever wet)...then I installed the adaptor plates .....installed the new mounts......and dropped it in......Took all of about 45 minutes......LOL......Everything fit perfectly with the exception of the pan sticking down below the crossmember by about two inches........But.....since the car will not be lowered it won't be a problem........I didn't install the trans yet........I will be clearancing the tunnel and installing it from the bottom..............Moving along.....






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Bingo...............

[Postsedan]

Well done <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/Can-I-Have-It.gif

Dan

[67Z24rag]

Lookin good Ken ! Jon K.

[Charley Lillard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything looks good until you open the hood or she smiles ... </div></div> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-23-23981-img_1569.jpg
They can be made to look like they belong there, run better, not leak, overheat or leave you working on it on a long trip all while getting great gas mileage. If it is going to just sit like most musclecars do by all means leave it stock. But if you really want to put miles on it you will have alot more fun with a LS engine. It is by far the best engine Chevrolet has ever built. Just evolution. I have alot more cars with old school engines than I have LS but the only one I would take on a long trip is the LS.

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: earntaz</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything looks good until you open the hood or she smiles ... </div></div> http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-23-23981-img_1569.jpg
They can be made to look like they belong there, run better, not leak, overheat or leave you working on it on a long trip all while getting great gas mileage. If it is going to just sit like most musclecars do by all means leave it stock. But if you really want to put miles on it you will have alot more fun with a LS engine. It is by far the best engine Chevrolet has ever built. Just evolution. I have alot more cars with old school engines than I have LS but the only one I would take on a long trip is the LS. </div></div>


Like Charley said...........It's more fun to drive them......rather than owning them........Two separate things.........The first Power Tour we went on in 2005 I drove my 66 Chevelle Convert......all stock 396 SS car with a Powerglide,.........drove from Milwaukee to Orlando and back......That was the last time driving without an overdrive trans, among other things for creature comforts........after building and driving 6 Power Tour cars over the years......The Chevelle with the LSA engine is just insane......and it's a Puppy compared to Charleys Camaro.........I know a lot of people don't like &quot;Ruining&quot; the cars by swapping the drivetrains out......But........It's the only way to go if you want to drive them any distance.......

[Charley Lillard]

I know this is Yenko.net and a site for supercars but it in my mind it has evolved into encompassing all kinds of cars. Are many others like Earntaz offend by the conversion to LS on this car ? He has every right to want it left alone. Just wondering.

[SuperNovaSS]

I like watching these threads. Thanks for sharing Kwhizz. Keep
up the great work. You must be getting to know all the tricks on installing these.



Jason

[300deluxeL79]

boo hoo it's a lowly 2bbl 283 belair what's the difference whether it gets a bigger small block or a big block or an LS engine. looking forward to seeing this post car evolve into a performance car. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[Dave Rifkin]

If I had the money, time and skills I would throw an LS and a six speed in my numbers matching 1969 Corvette in a hearbeat.

[Xplantdad]

I love the LS conversion stuff... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

[markinnaples]

Count me in as one of those who enjoy the evolution of the hobby/sport. If I happen to get the car I'm trying to get now, I'd love to switch out the small block in it now eventually with an LS of some sort. And, I'd love to see if I could change the LS to look a little more old school with a different set of &quot;valve&quot; covers and possibly get a set of fuel injectors that look like the old school Hilborn set ups.

As long as we have space for the old stuff, I'm glad to see some of the new stuff added as well. I think there's room for everybody. Cheers.

[Alss]

I am a true lover of the &quot;stock&quot; muscle/supercars, but I am more intrigued as I watch all these LS builds. re purposing, using modern drivetrains has been going on since the start of the automotive era. Mercs in the fities, t buckets and duece coupes in the sixties. Preserve the history, have fun with the others. I'm taking notes.

[kwhizz]

And you can make them presentable after installation.........Here's a pic from my Impala

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[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Alss</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am a true lover of the &quot;stock&quot; muscle/supercars, but I am more intrigued as I watch all these LS builds. re purposing, using modern drivetrains has been going on since the start of the automotive era. Mercs in the fities, t buckets and duece coupes in the sixties. Preserve the history, have fun with the others. I'm taking notes. </div></div>



Al......You are absolutely correct.......Preserving History with restored original factory Muscle cars is one thing......they are more of an Investment than being a Car..........Having been on both sides (although not as deep as most).......Like I said in an earlier post......I enjoy &quot;Driving&quot; more than &quot;Owning&quot;..........and I know there are some that take great offense to these modifications.....and that's O.K..............I myself have just evolved into a different place...........(With Charley pushing me all the way......LOL)........

Ken

[PxTx]

At this point in life, I prefer traditional builds just because everywhere I look there seems to be an modern/LS muscle car build and turbos and fuel injection and big wheels...there just feels like an over-saturation of those builds. I understand they are very popular, magazines sponsors are influencing the content to drive sales of their LS products etc.

Since I don't subscribe to magazines any more, I do appreciate Ken's threads and his documentation, craftsmanship and humor. I'm not offended by the build, but I might not click on the thread for several days at a time.

I look forward to seeing an LS build which tries to have a more nostalgic feel. Somebody may one day figure out a way to make the motor look like and older sbc. It wouldn't surprise me if it has been done and I just haven't seen it- I'm sure my taste is in a small minority.

Now since the LS motors make so much hp, I realize the appropriate braking system might not fit within a 15&quot; wheel. I can't help that big wheels are one of my biggest turn offs visually- at least for muscle cars of the 1960's. Cars form the 1980/1990's like the Mustangs Camaros, Buicks etc I am a but more open minded, but I still prefer a period theme over modern ques.

At the end of the day though, I feel Yenko.net is has plenty of the traditional stuff which is harder to find, and enough diversity like Ken's builds for my taste evolve more naturally- what I want rather than when I grew up and the magazines of the 1980's &amp; 1990's heavily influenced my perception of cool.

Not every thread hits a home run with me, but this IS my favorite place on the net. Thanks to everyone who shares their passion here!

[VintageMusclecar]

I wonder if an EFI'd 500&quot; Big Block torque monster might sway Ken back over from the dark side... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/naughty.gif

[Charley Lillard]

Been there-done that more than once. Still not as good as a good LS. At 950 hp I bet I still will get at least 18 mpg with the ac on this year on Hot Rod Power Tour.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-23-24000-hellfire_dyno_curves_2.jpg

[VintageMusclecar]

No arguing those numbers. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Just out of curiosity-- how many cubic inches, how much boost, and what's the cruise rpm on the highway (~70 mph)?

Lastly, what does an engine like that cost to build?

[Charley Lillard]

427&quot; Not sure of the boost but the engine makes 700 hp with no boost. At 80 mph I'm about 2200 rpm. Thomson Automotive sells the engines for 40K. Same engine with E85 will push over 1000 hp. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-23-24001-ta427sc_dyno_curves.jpg

[PxTx]

Playing the devil's advocate:

This costs $13,781 for 620hp which is $22.22 per hp.
https://chevroletperformanceparts.com/sites/default/files/products/19201333.jpg

This on the other hand is $20k for $638hp which works out to be $31.35 pr hp. I can't begin to guess where the ratio goes at 950hp.
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I realize there is more usable power under the curve on the LS AND it will get more mpg then the 572 but I also believe the cost to install the LS motor has significant adders over what it takes to install the 572 in a popular muscle car. I'm willing to bet that the install delta between these two options if not performing the swap yourself is close to 10K. If you are a diy- it is harder to speculate on a theoretical skill set and the value offset.

So one gets 10mpg and the other gets 18mpg while costing $10-20k more. How long till you make up that delta?

Taking the cost out and factoring only weight, performance, reliability type things- the LS certainly make a lot of sense. I do understand their appeal.

[VintageMusclecar]

As much as I detest quoting magazine articles, there are two that come to mind:

October 2014 (sorry, can't find a web link to the story online other than this (https://www.facebook.com/carcraftmag/posts/10152815427234523), but it leads to a dead link): CC builds a turbocharged 454 pulled from a Suburban, added a mild HR cam and a pair of Brodix heads and winds up making 950+ HP and over 1030 lb.ft. at just over 19 psi. When they added race gas it made 1200+ HP and 1300+ lb.ft @ 29 psi. Note this was going through a single plane intake, an 850 Holley and still using the OEM short block--iron crank, cast pistons, and stock rods. All they did was open up the ring gaps. Disclaimer: IMO they're nuttier than squirrel sh*t making that kind of power on the stock bottom end.

2003: Import Killer (http://www.hotrod.com/cars/project-vehicles/116-0309-chevy-big-block-crate-engine-build-up/) Using a 454 HO crate short block, they added AFR heads, a Crane hydraulic roller, and a Vortec supercharger. On pump gas it made 950+ HP and 750+ lb.ft.

Both are admittedly old school approaches, but the power is still there. I wonder how civilized either of these could be with the addition of a modern EFI system.

Don't misunderstand, I'm a big fan of the LS platform, but I'm not ready to throw in the towel on the beloved rat motors just yet.

(Sorry to digress from the topic of the thread!!!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif )

[Charley Lillard]

A huge difference is driveability. If my Mom were still alive she could drive my 950 hp car. I have a 509&quot; BBC old school EFI in a 32 Ford making a claimed 750 hp that I would never let my Mom drive. It is neat but not even in the same room with the LS. The 20K LS9 shown above can easily make a dependable and driveable 750 hp with a little tweaking.

[earntaz]

I am just short of 70 years old and have had more BBC than I can count. IMHO the Loose Squirrel (read LS) engines are for those that need a computer to tune for them. Also, they go to a junk yard, drop it in and bolt on a bunch of gee-gaw crap to hide the fact they have bolted in an LS -- and their happy.

Bottom line -- to each their own ... TAZ

[Charley Lillard]

I'm 62 and also have had more BBC than I can count. Currently in my barn is a 509&quot;, 494&quot;, 427&quot; 427&quot; and 427&quot;. They are all cool engines but nothing compared to my LS. Sorry if the thought of a computerized engine bugs you that much. Seems more like you don't want to learn any new tricks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-23-24012-img_1711.jpg
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[earntaz]

Charley -- &quot;Sorry if the thought of a computerized engine bugs you that much&quot;. That's not it at all -- computerization is the way for the future. I am an aircraft maintainer by trade with access to everything to F-35s on down the line. Without computers, many aircraft would not be able to fly.

My hangup is old iron with an LS type engines. It is about like installing a PW F135 in an old P-51 Mustang ... UGH!

[Charley Lillard]

I promise I will delete the non Kwhizz stuff when the LS discussion dies down.

[Charley Lillard]

&quot;My hangup is old iron with an LS type engines. It is about like installing a PW F135 in an old P-51 Mustang ... UGH!&quot;

Kinda like putting a big block Chevy in a 32 Ford. How dare they remove a Flathead V8.
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[kwhizz]

After determining that the pan will be acceptable......I decided to pull the engine out again so I could finish up changing the steering box from that super slow stock ratio manual box to a Jeep Grand Cherokee power steering box....Three turns lock to lock.......I also can now finish &quot;Clearancing&quot; the trans tunnel to fit the new trans..........and I also removed the gas tank so it can be modified to work with the new fuel system.........also removed were the front Drum Brakes which will be replaced with Discs........Mark is bringing over the balance of parts next week so we can do the final assy...........This was hard the first time I did it , but..........LOL...........Also here are some more pic's from the underside of the car..........Just Amazing......


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Ken

[VintageMusclecar]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I promise I will delete the non Kwhizz stuff when the LS discussion dies down. </div></div>

Sorry if I caused any trouble, I was just rattling Ken's cage a little bit. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

[454_Malibu]

I enjoy everything on this site. The Kwizz builds are the best. I have a 74 Malibu with a factory 454 4speed. ( M21). It barely has 225 HP. Its fun to drive, but it's a slow ride. If I had the time and knowledge I would pull the motor and tranny, set them aside and drop an LS 6.0 with 6 speed tranny in a heartbeat. My 04 and 07 Silverado's both have LT headers with high flow cats,, they would run circles around my Malibu. That being said I want to say I Luv this Site. God Bless everyone, have a safe weekend. Happy Easter. Scot.

[old5.0]

I'm only 37, but I've owned at least one example of almost every old school engine you can think of. There simply is no comparison between any engine designed when Eisenhower was still living in the White House and the modern powerplants. Our knowledge of metallurgy, airflow dynamics, porting, camshaft design, etc. are lightyears ahead of the state-of-the-art in the 60's. We all have our favorites; I like small block Fords, but there just isn't any way to effectively argue the point. Sure, the aftermarket closes the gap considerably. I could go out tomorrow and build a Ford 302 that makes 13 or 14 hundred horsepower on the motor, but it would be 99% (or more) aftermarket and cost 25 grand.

Think about this alternative: I can go to the junkyard, find a 6.2 LS or a 5.0 Coyote, put it in a lightened Fox body and, if I have an effective suspension and driveline set-up, run low 10's <span style="font-style: italic">without a power adder</span>. Put that in context, guys. If I could take that car back in time to Pomona in 1970, I could finish in the top 5 in Pro Stock with a junkyard engine that runs on 87 octane pump swill and idles like a Cadillac. NMRA Factory Stock guys are running high-10's in pushrod 5.0 Fox bodies using stock heads, intakes, blocks, etc. at 308-310 cubes and that's certainly impressive, but those engines are scienced out like you wouldn't believe. A stock LS in the same chassis would lop 7-8 tenths off their best time without cracking a valve cover.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I am just short of 70 years old and have had more BBC than I can count. IMHO the Loose Squirrel (read LS) engines are for those that need a computer to tune for them. Also, they go to a junk yard, drop it in and bolt on a bunch of gee-gaw crap to hide the fact they have bolted in an LS -- and their happy.

Bottom line -- to each their own ... TAZ</div></div>

I respect your opinion, but consider this for a minute. John Mihovitz at Accufab has been campaigning the Ford 4.6 DOHC Modulars in various heads up classes for years. He uses assembly line blocks, cylinder heads, even cam drives, mostly sourced from the junkyard. Last I heard, he had hit <span style="font-style: italic">2600 horsepower</span> on the engine dyno. Since that was almost two years ago, and he's currently running his 4.6 powered Pro Mod in the high-5 second range, I can only assume that he's awfully close to the 3000 horsepower threshold, if he hasn't crossed it already. I want to say again, that's with junkyard hard parts (Hell, he was still using production 96-98 Cobra crankshafts until he crossed the 2,000 horsepower barrier.) So how does he make that much power from 281 cubes? Lots of boost (60+ PSI) and lots of compression (somewhere around 14.5:1 is my understanding). Seems easy, but how do you make that live in an assembly line block?

He does because he's an artist with the tune-up. Forget the computer, tuning an engine is an art form, no matter what tools you use to do it. I can rebuild a Holley, but I can't tune a pair of Dominators like Grumpy. It's the same with electronics. Hand me a laptop and I'll get your XFI'd LS swap up and running, but there's no way in hell I could do what Mihovitz does.

[69 Post Sedan]

I love the LS motors but will never put one in my car. Period.

With that being said, I have a friend who built a below budget 5.3. He used a stock iron block,stock heads, big cam, Edelbrock intake and a old 700 double pumper. He honed the cylinders, installed stock pistons, bought an Auto Zone crank, slapped it together and got 450+ horse power at the crank on a &quot;stingy&quot; dyno as one person said.

I never would have guessed it out of a little 327.

Kurt

[earntaz]

OK all -- I cry uncle ... to each their own!!

And Tony -- have to agree on those &quot;little&quot; 4.6 motors ... my 07 FX2 Sport has one and when it winds up it sounds like a Suzuki on steroids. TAZ

Happy Easter ALL!!

[VintageMusclecar]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A huge difference is driveability. If my Mom were still alive she could drive my 950 hp car. I have a 509&quot; BBC old school EFI in a 32 Ford making a claimed 750 hp that I would never let my Mom drive. It is neat but not even in the same room with the LS. The 20K LS9 shown above can easily make a dependable and driveable 750 hp with a little tweaking. </div></div>

Check your PM's please. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[kwhizz]

Mark stopped over yesterday and dropped off more boxes.........Perfect timing.......Put the new front sway bar on today.......It fits.......Sort of........Generic Kits...............Also got the front disc brakes on ......Now on to the new Power Booster and master....(After a Nap).......


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[markinnaples]

What's the all-in cost of swapping in an LS-(x)into an older GM? $12k?

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> &quot;My hangup is old iron with an LS type engines. It is about like installing a PW F135 in an old P-51 Mustang ... UGH!&quot;

Kinda like putting a big block Chevy in a 32 Ford. How dare they remove a Flathead V8.
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/CharleySucks.gif </div></div>

Just like when the 265 came out and guys started putting them in Deuces. How long ago was that? 60 years ago?

[njsteve]

Kwizz, I should send you my Gramma's '75 Firebird to &quot;update&quot; with something more than its original 145 horsepower mill. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/wink.gif

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's the all-in cost of swapping in an LS-(x)into an older GM? $12k? </div></div>



If that...........Pretty simple now that everything is figured out........

[markinnaples]

Thanks Kwhizz. I'm awaiting delivery of my first muscle car in years, and I'd consider doing an LS swap a little down the road after I enjoy it as-is for a while.

[Charley Lillard]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Thanks Kwhizz. I'm awaiting delivery of my first muscle car in years, and I'd consider doing an LS swap a little down the road after I enjoy it as-is for a while.
</div></div>
What is it ?

[markinnaples]

1968 Z/28 that's an old ISCA show car. Has a non-matching tunnel rammed 302 in it. Unfortunately when they did all the custom work, they smoothed the firewall and removed the cowl tag. Tom Martin (Day2_69Z) on here is very familiar with it as his dad sold them the 302. It's one I remember from when I was a kid and have been looking for it for a few years and then someone on FB posted a message that they found it, so I bought it. Prob paid too much, but that's life I guess.

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body">1968 Z/28 that's an old ISCA show car. Has a non-matching tunnel rammed 302 in it. Unfortunately when they did all the custom work, they smoothed the firewall and removed the cowl tag. Tom Martin (Day2_69Z) on here is very familiar with it as his dad sold them the 302. It's one I remember from when I was a kid and have been looking for it for a few years and then someone on FB posted a message that they found it, so I bought it. Prob paid too much, but that's life I guess. </div></div>




That's the difference between &quot;Wanting&quot; something and &quot;Needing&quot; it..........LOL......(Been there)

[markinnaples]

Definitely wasn't a need, lol.

[kwhizz]

The next step in the conversion is to replace the stock Master Cylinder with a Matched Disc/Drum Power Master cylinder assy...............Had to elongate the holes on the booster adaptor to get them to fit over the factory studs on the firewall......(you would think the aftermarket guys would have that pattern figured out by now).........I also had to remount the Proportioning valve as there were some clearance issues.......I also had to make some new Brake lines and got to use the &quot;Best&quot; Tool in the garage again.......The Eastwood Flaring tool.....After fighting with those Chinese Crap Flaring tools while building the Chevelle and buying a Real tool............What a delight.......No stress......Just flare in 10 seconds.....every flare is perfect..........one more line to run and the Engine/Trans go's in for good (hopefully)......


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[kwhizz]

Engine going in for the last time.......Fits Pretty good......Next is to get the trans crossmember remounted.....


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[kwhizz]

Got a couple of things finalized today......Moved the rear cross member back by bolting it from the bottom of the frame mount using the front crossmember hole in the rear frame mount hole ......so ....It is only held in temporarily with 1 bolt per side........Mark will finish the frame mount mod's at his place as they have a person that Really knows how to weld......LOL.....I also thought I would see how the 2012 Camaro exhaust manifolds fit.........It seems they were made for this install......10 Minutes all installed with plenty of room everywhere........Got Lucky again........Next on the list is the Power Steering Pump.....A/C Compressor ......Radiator and trans cooling hose.......Fuel system....Here's a couple more pic's.....Plenty of room around the factory A/C on the firewall........


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[Xplantdad]

Moving right along!

[TAR6569]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I know this is Yenko.net and a site for supercars but it in my mind it has evolved into encompassing all kinds of cars. Are many others like Earntaz offend by the conversion to LS on this car ? He has every right to want it left alone. Just wondering. </div></div>

My personal taste would have been to leave the car as is, all original. A friend of mine helped out with the exterior on this car, giving it a wax I think. He sent me pictures of it at the time and my first thought was... Man, I would love to certify that car at a VCCA meet in the HPOCF class (Historical Preservation of Chevrolet Features). Heck, it even has the original warranty book with protecto plate! It's only original once. It's hard to find the fullsize 2dr sedans that haven't been modified/customized into big blocks and had other things changed. Seems like 90% of the ones for sale have either been finished into a big block/LS or the project was started but not finished. Very hard to find one that is still 100% stock, even harder all original.

I'd even love to have the car as a driver with the 283 and A/C. (I hoping to have an all original driver for the HPOCF class later in life.) It also would be the perfect car to cruise out to Spearfish this summer for the National Impala convention. But everyone has their own tastes. I'm sure they car will come out great. Just offering my viewpoint for Charley and the others.

Will the original drivetrain and other parts be held onto in case a future owner wants to go back to original?

[earntaz]

Will the original drivetrain and other parts be held onto in case a future owner wants to go back to original?

HOPEFULLY!!!

[kwhizz]

Got the Power Steering pump and lines installed today........It seems we are missing the bracket that holds the reservoir in place.....Mark is looking for it to get that loose end taken care of........I also started installing the A/C Compressor and brackets.......Oppps........Wrong Compressor.......Mark ordered the correct one today......Got the Radiator installed......Tomorrow I need to measure the driveshaft for shortening and get the trans line made and installed......


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[Postsedan]

At this point, she'll be ready by May 13th.....the first Mundelein Car Cruise <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Dan

[kwhizz]

The original drivetrain is sold and gone..........When we were loading it in the truck the new owner noticed the engine still had the original plug wires........

[67Z24rag]

[quote=TAR6569
Will the original drivetrain and other parts be held onto in case a future owner wants to go back to original? [/quote]

Sorry Warren , Engine will be well preserved in one of my trucks. Even the engines paint was well preserved being an Arizona car . Thanks Mark and Ken !! This is definitely an awesome car !!

Jon

[TAR6569]

going to a good home then

[Zman1969]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm 62 and also have had more BBC than I can count. Currently in my barn is a 509&quot;, 494&quot;, 427&quot; 427&quot; and 427&quot;. They are all cool engines but nothing compared to my LS. Sorry if the thought of a computerized engine bugs you that much. Seems more like you don't want to learn any new tricks. http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/04/full-23-24013-img_1714.jpg
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Time to Poke Charlie

wait for it....

can I have it?

Great Build as usual Kwhizz!

[Charley Lillard]

I'll sell it to you. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

[kwhizz]

1.Moving along........Got the Power Steering reservoir mounted ......Mark brought over the correct A/C compressor.....got that installed using Kwik Performance brackets.......(Great Stuff).....got the column shift linkage installed ...... Torque converter bolted up.......I started getting the fuel system installed........Mark modified the stock tank for the LS application........I got the Filter/ Bypass installed and started on the fuel lines......LOL........The lines that Mark supplied are different than the ones I was used to using and after trying for 45 minutes to get one fitting installed.........I threw in the towel.......So.....The car is going back to Mark with just a bunch of Mickey Mouse things left to do........In the pic with the A/C compressor installed, I had a spare 99.5&quot; belt laying around but the directions call for a 101&quot; belt.....the one I had was too short as you can see so Mark will be getting the proper sized one.......New Driveshaft is also installed.....



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[Postsedan]

Looking Great.....See you both at Mundelein.....at our usually watering hole :-)

Dan

[Xplantdad]

Very cool!

[slammed1]

Great build once again Ken!!You always find the most clean solid cars around as project builds. The 67 looks great in white with the steelies and dog dish.

[L78biscayne]

not quite as dramatic as kens days just finished up a lot of wires http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-878-25363-61_004.jpg
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[L78biscayne]

Dakota digital vhx dash http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-878-25367-61_006.jpg
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[kwhizz]

Kool................Getting closer......

[Charley Lillard]

No hurry. You have 4 weeks.

[Belair62]

This is perfect. Gorilla gets twitchy when he has a car that is stock. His left eye does a weird thing.

[Postsedan]

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

Dan

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

Dan </div></div> <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif


<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[L78biscayne]

big day for the big car
trans cross member
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fab water cooling tubes
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[Postsedan]

Beautiful welds.....looking great! Can`t wait to see her.

Dan

[L78biscayne]

after lunch
trying to finish ken project like he would want it
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[earntaz]

When are you gonna' learn to weld?? LOL You missed your calling -- you should be teaching people how to do it ... awesome! TAZ

[L78biscayne]

the welder is a friend Greg Olsen and he has some great skills
and he does weld for a living

[earntaz]

Yep -- I think the term is dime, dime, dime ...

[kwhizz]

Freak'in Awsum.......................

[Charley Lillard]

Take your time...You still have 5 days.

[Xplantdad]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take your time...You still have 5 days. </div></div>

<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[Zman1969]

thats cutting it close! Sweet build for sure <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif

[300deluxeL79]

amazing how clean the bottomside of this '67 is after 48 yrs <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

[L78biscayne]

quick wash time to drive to work
new Dakota dash and nos hub caps
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dash works great and looks even better

[jto667]

Looks FANTASTIC Mark! Wishing I was gonna be on the HR PT! Make sure to touch base with my crew from Dakota Digital. We need some pics for our blog...and yes...we prefer cars with our systems in them! LOL

[2qwik2c]

Looks great, I sold him the NOS hubcaps.

[68l30]

That dash looks GREAT. I think I'd have to paint the gear indicator and the radio indicator white to match....Just my OCD talking.

Killer looking Ride... Have fun on the tour.


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[Postsedan]

Mark called me this morning on his Maiden Voyage to work with the Bel Air <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/headbang.gif

Congrats Mark....well done. Another Great Big Car among your Awesome Collection of Big Cars <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[PxTx]

The car looks great! I think the whole subtle theme and traditional wheel look often overlooked during an &quot;upgrade&quot;.

I can't wait to hear driving impressions between tge old vs new.

Nice job to everyone involved!

[Zman1969]

Looking good I'll look for it on HRPT - is your right low beam have a bad bulb, looks darker?

[Damien]

Looks great Mark. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif Curious with the column shift linkage and indicator for the OD trans. Did you need to fabricate and adaptor to suit the car or is there a vendor that makes them? Obviously the shifter works correctly and at some point you may change the PG indicator? We don't have a lot of LS conversion cars in Australia but the more I see, the more I like. Nice job.

[L78biscayne]

http://www.shiftworks.com/

[Damien]

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[L78biscayne]

a little sunny winter clean up the had some ugly heat cracks and did not want to go to just dash jail so i had a friend Art Rodriguez smooth and wrap with left over vial from the seats
also installed a retro sound radio new speakers and Bluetooth






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[Postsedan]

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Dan

[L78biscayne]

ALSO FABED UP SOME TAILPIPES WITH RESONATORS http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/01/full-878-56491-img_2798.jpg
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[Postsedan]

Just keeps getting better and better <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan

[Xplantdad]

Very nice Mark!

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Postsedan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Just keeps getting better and better <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif

Dan </div></div>



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[olredalert]

----That dash pad is sweet! Better than factory, IMHO......Bill S

[L78biscayne]

time to fix that pesky open diff http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-878-58241-img_3125.jpg

[L78biscayne]

the final part a little intake tube http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2017/02/full-878-58377-img_3127.jpg