10K mile 1969 Survivor Z28

[luv2sixty9]

Neat Car and nice find. They are still out there.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusias...z-28/ar-BBiZnp4 (http://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/enthusiasts/10081-mile-original-owner-1969-chevrolet-camaro-z-28/ar-BBiZnp4)

[camaromb]

Wow, the second low mile '69 Z from PA recently.

[69VN]

Wow that's too damned close to home! I was reading about this care earlier on Hotrod's website. It's only the 2nd. or 3rd. 1969 Z/28 I've ever seen in the Philly area painted in Olympic Gold-- but only the 1st. with an original flat hood. I hope this guy posts some more photos of this incredible find.

Sal <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/drool.gif

[flyingn]

wow that is close to me too. Love the tires too

[L78racer]

no front spoiler?

[69LM1]

Bummer the smog was removed. Close as you can get to untouched.
Any verification to the statement that not all cars got the HP/Engine stickers on the air cleaner?

Rich

[Steve Shauger]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 69LM1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Bummer the smog was removed. Close as you can get to untouched.
Any verification to the statement that not all cars got the HP/Engine stickers on the air cleaner?

Rich</div></div>

Never heard of that before. A mistake could have been made or perhaps the owner took it off early on...

[cook_dw]

Only 2 HiPo Camaro air cleaners I am aware of that didnt get the decals were some/most of the ZL1's and the cowl plenum air cleaner 67-8 Z cars..

[Day2_69Z]

That statement of 'not all had a engine size/ horsepower decal' Is journalistic embellishment.
I'm sure the owner removed it as he removed the smog system, front spoiler as much as he added the tach and probably a few more items.

The writer also said the car was put on blocks as soon. as the car arrived........ then the 10,000 miles were put on the first few years. That's almost like saying an &quot;old race car with 5,000 miles.....a 1/4 mile at a time&quot; Yeah, really ! ?

A really cool find, a nice Z.....Great color combo..

and one I would cherish and just clean up as well to have it roadable,safe and dependable.......

[William]

Some cars not having an air cleaner decal is fact, not &quot;journalistic embellishment.&quot; The 09D Van Nuys '69 Z/28 Hot Rod magazine tested in the January '69 issue didn't have one either. The only ZL1 [#5] photographed back in the day also doesn't have a '427' decal even though Chevrolet Engineering docs specify it. The Olympic Gold Yenko photographed when new shows only the 427 crossed flags decal; some L72s also had the 425 HP label. Some L72s had no labels.

[camaromb]

I have 1969 pictures of a Copo Camaro showing no air cleaner decals. I also recall seeing GM photos of a '69 L78 Nova with no air cleaner sticker. Like most of GM production, final assembly may vary. My favorite factory variation would be the chambered exhaust ZL1 Camaro with different style trim pin stripe colors, one side white, one side black.

[Day2_69Z]

Do you have pix of that ZL1 with black n white stripes ?
It may be the same car I saw &amp; drove in N.C. fresh from Dave Tenel's shop, ,,,,1987 a Carl Dwiggins car, later sold to Reggie Jackson.

As far as GM photos and Magazine test cars go,,,,I feel those are Engineering and Advertising Cars.....not Regular Production Cars

[William]

The ZL1 built with black/white D96 stripes is #59 the former Dwiggins car. It was not restored that way.

The Hot Rod '69 Z/28 test car still exists and is fully documented. Final assembled on or about September 30, 1968 at Van Nuys it was part of the LA Zone press fleet, featured in other magazines also. The Olympic Gold Yenko with the '427' decal is N579281. Both production units.

Super Stock tested a '69 427 Yenko Chevelle in the August '69 issue. No air cleaner decals.

Here's a link to an engine bay photo of an L72 COPO shortly after delivery. Appears to not have been built with decals but was restored with them.

http://www.icehouse.net/camaros/slvrcopo.htm

[Day2_69Z]

Point - counter point......
Pix taken ....A Week to 3 Weeks After delivery With Noticeable Mods completed doesn't Prove anything other than more conversation.......
A Car built in September, thrashed more than any Rental car by A Dozen drivers for &quot;Press&quot; &amp; Features to SELL the intended Model and Magazines.... Duh......4 months later.
Again, Engineering, Magazine Test Cars Press fleets, Ad Cars aren't the Norm....Everyone of those cars has been &quot;tweaked, tuned, touched, modified&quot;. some way or another.......
I stick to my Guns....so much of what is read ...(which has been recycled over 46 years) is taken to be Gospel,,,,when in reality it's Rhetoric. Pete n Re Pete.....The &quot;Art of Print&quot; is interpretated at face value ....The Real story , like most is Always between the lines....

[William]

So photographic evidence of production cars, often from dealer stock, photographed 46 years ago is &quot;rhetoric&quot; because you say so?

[Day2_69Z]

You're just not &quot;Getting it&quot;.
Three times you misinterpreted and Questioned what I wrote with explanation.
What Photos are you even referring to....?.
Where are they ?

The rhetorical analysis..... where's Your PROOF of FACTS ?.
Its all conjecture and lack of insight on what your reference material is.

Anybody can chime in..... with facts if they wish....

Anytime something is rewritten, edited, reprinted is flawed , as its based on &quot;that persons interpretation&quot; . ..Another Perfect example is another thread here about HOT ROD NEWS reporting on New 1970 Model Chevrolet Muscle Car info to the public.. where it's mostly Just Wrong.
But somebody wrote it, so it must be true... ...

Believe 1/2 of what is read and None of what is heard 2nd, 3rd. or 4th. Hand info....and reality may rise to the forefront.....finally.

[William]

Hot Rod magazine January 1969 page 32…production Z/28 no air cleaner decal. Popular Hot Rodding magazine April 1969 page 21…same car better photo.

Popular Hot Rodding magazine July 1969 page 23 #5 ZL1 from stock at Fred Gibb Chev…no air cleaner decal. Same photo in Hot Rod June 1998 page 49.

Super Stock magazine July 1969 page 26 Yenko Camaro showing ‘427’ decal [seal partially obscures lid].

Super Stock magazine August 1969 page 38 Yenko Chevelle pulled from dealer stock, no air cleaner decals.

Don't forget the link to the photos of the then-new automatic COPO, no decals.

Rational people will conclude not every car built received air cleaner decals.

[Day2_69Z]

This discussion was opened on Z/28 302-290 decals with exceptions on a Few ZL 1's.
The link you said to look at of the Automatic COPO Confirmed those pix were taken A Week to 3 Weeks After the Owner Was in Piossession of the Car &amp; AFTER. MODIFICATIONS , such as wheels (By The Way. ..looking at the Fresh Air, Air cleaner assembly its Obvious Someone played with it. . As the Hood Seal is on Upside Down !!!!
Being a factory job ? a Factory Goof up ? Owner ....is more likely.
Your window of 3 weeks is suspect...... as is 10,000 miles of untouched original in the Article about the Z/28....
.There is NO SUCH THING AS AN &quot; UNTOUCHED 10,000 mile Car&quot; that has Crisp n Clear photos of A VERY TOUCHED CAR..,.......all along, I said the owner probably removed the decal .

NEXT......!

[William]

Ok I get it. Decals are missing on all 4 cars noted because they were scraped off for some reason. Sure. Odd that they left the AC decal on the COPO.

What's your excuse on the Yenko Chevelle? The article stressed that it was completely stock, not even slicks. AIR system intact, exhaust manifolds. Production car, pulled from stock at Marshall Chevrolet. No decals.

[Day2_69Z]

A YENKO CHEVELLE IS STILL AN ALTERED CAR. DONE AFTER THE FACT . . AT A DEALERS. SERVICE DEPARTMENT.... NO EXCUSE, JUST FACT


What about the COPO......DID I HEAR A CONCESSION....RETRACTION... AND ONE FOR THE 10,000 Mile Z/28 too.....?

LMAO.....

[luzl78]

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[William]

No concession at all. The FACTS, borne out by photographic evidence, is that not all high performance '69 Chevrolets received engine ID decals.

Your &quot;facts&quot; are incorrect. The COPOs Yenko received for the 1969 model year were built by Chevrolet with 427 engines. All Yenko did was add stripes and emblems. You didn't know that?

Good news for all; I'm done here. You think what you want.

[Day2_69Z]

Wow,
Everything I said went right over your head... look up. ..just like that 747.......

[Charley Lillard]

I'm with William on this. I see what looks like pics of orig cars with stickers missing and believe they came that way. Easy to leave a sticker or two off on a very unique build car. I used to own that silver Copo on the icehouse link and remember those 69 pics.

[Day2_69Z]

This discussion was never meant to be about a few stickers on or off......
Charlie, the reference to the way it came, on the Silver COPO.... 3 Weeks afterwards with modifications and removal of original pieces is not the best source material

Some people need to read a little better..

[L72copocamaro]

I have no dog in this fight...but. One of the first things an owner does in three weeks of ownership is peal off the air cleaner decal?

And I believe there are pictures of factory installed air cleaner/hood seals installed upside down.

[SuperNovaSS]

I am confident that many cars left the factory without air cleaner decals. I have had more than one car with the aftermarket style dealer decals on the air cleaner that had been there since new. I'll try to dig up a few pictures of the decals I am talking about. I think many of these issues were left to dealer prep and many dealers couldn't care less. As far as Yenko cars are concerned, didn't a Don go with the early 66 corvette L72 HP figure of 450? That would explain the 427 decal with no HP decal on the Chevelle.

Jason

[1320paul]

This is one of the reasons I'm glad I'll probably never be able to own a car like the one in question. Grown men start off by checking out a cool car, then they end up arguing about stickers. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif

[COPO]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 1320paul</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Grown men start off by checking out a cool car, then they end up arguing about stickers. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/rolleyes.gif </div></div>


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[resto4u]

quality control and manufacturing standards were almost non existant at best back then.

[TimG]

Nice car.

[Day2_69Z]

Hey guys, for all who have chimed in earlier on this thread....
I was a little feisty with my opinions.....
Never meant to be so argumentitive or uneducated with stating anything other than an opinion.

I'm man enough on this Mother's Day. to extend my apologies for such feistiness......
(bad medicine day back then ).

Best wishes to all ,,,,
Regards,
Tom. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/cool.gif

[stritestoration]

wasn't it common practice to keep your opponent guessing back in the day? so many cars and hp ratings then so why wouldn't one peel off a decal and keep others wondering what's really going on?

[mssl72]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: stritestoration</div><div class="ubbcode-body">wasn't it common practice to keep your opponent guessing back in the day? so many cars and hp ratings then so why wouldn't one peel off a decal and keep others wondering what's really going on? </div></div>

...and paint aluminum intakes and heads orange among other things.

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[Steve Shauger]

Regarding air cleaner sticker. Well this car in fact came with one. The remnants of the sticker and glue are visible. Also the tune up sticker was found in the glove box.

At a rating of 290hp I may have been inclined to remove mine. I purchased my first 69 Z in 1977.