Original paint black LS6

[scuncio]

I have an itch to buy something else, and came across this original paint LS6 Chevelle.

Would $50k be a fair price assuming the deck stamp checks out?

http://tinyurl.com/ox6tv5f

[markjohnson]

Man o' man! An M-22, 4.10 geared, LS-6 in Black . . . somebody wanted to be the bad man in their neighborhood.

[camaromb]

Tony,
If you don't buy it no doubt someone else will,

[markjohnson]

If that bid history is any indication, I don't think Fiddy is gonna get it.

[Supergas990]

I'm just guessing, but $50K with 5 days left is a dream.

Probably low $100 number, IF it's as advertised.

Blair

[black69]

time to get out the black turtle wax, and see if that paint could be improved. But it looks maybe pretty rough in places.

[SS427]

If I were a player $50k would be all the money. It will get bid to more but I think that is about what it is worth as it sits. Add a true "restoration" by definition to it and you are going to be up there in total cost.

[SS427]

Nice to see yet another Atlanta car with square stripes (assuming they are original) as a few of them have been found from various plants.

[scuncio]

I would go higher if the car was better preserved, but if it ends up crossing, say, the $60k mark, I just don't see it.

Regardless, it will be interesting to watch.

[Mr.Nickey Nova]

Do the stripes on the trunk lid look a little on the wide side?? The outer corners are not rounded either. It says 70% original paint,maybe trunk lid was repainted sometime in the past. It does look rough in spots, but only original once.

[69VN]

The seller lists the car as "#'s matching born with motor" yet hasn't posted a photo of the deck. To me that would be my selling point.

Sal <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/scholar.gif

[Rixls6]

I have a copy of that car's buildsheet already in my files dated 9/11/2006, so I'm thinking it was up for sale at that time somewhere.

[SeattleCarGuy]

I would certainly be comfortable paying $50,000 for that car in that current condition, assuming the drivetrain is proven &quot;born with&quot;.

Great project or drive as is!

[XXXGoldL34M20]

To Bad all the smog components are all gone, it does not even have the smog exhaust manifolds. No TCS on the intake too.
I wonder if it has the correct Alternator or Distributor as we all know what these three things will ad to the cost of the car. Thousands <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif Build sheet also has the 064 Fan and clutch so if this is missing more money. I also hope it has all the original pulleys as those will cost to. Just saying

[Mr70]

Good looking car and foundation.I could easily see it bring more then 50K today,if it all checks out.
He should @ least put the correct 1970 specific #879 driver side ex. manifold on it.
Do you see resonators on those tail pipes?
Wonder if it's still holding it's original 4 core rad. and notched to panel?

[Late BrakeU2]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SS427</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I were a player $50k would be all the money. It will get bid to more but I think that is about what it is worth as it sits. Add a true &quot;restoration&quot; by definition to it and you are going to be up there in total cost. </div></div>

Checks all the boxes, if all there I'll venture it fetches 60k+, pushing 200k total if done to the nines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VrFV5r8cs0

[PeteLeathersac]

VIN - 136370A141831
<<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/beers.gif
~ Pete

[Unreal]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markjohnson</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If that bid history is any indication, I don't think Fiddy is gonna get it. </div></div>
Yeah, but 150 of the bids are from g**k in $200 increments. In my view, not the approach most serious buyers take.

[budnate]

Dunno Tony, I get bad vibes from the add a inspection would be in order before bidding, pictures are so bad and nothing a guy really needs to see to get the warm fuzzy going is posted.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif

[chads454Ls6]

He wants $87K

[RST]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: budnate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dunno Tony, I get bad vibes from the add a inspection would be in order before bidding, pictures are so bad and nothing a guy really needs to see to get the warm fuzzy going is posted.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif </div></div>

Agreed, I also see he wants 87K .......... its good to want : ) He better step up with much more detailed pictures, some video and hire someone reputable to inspect and report on the car. I also think the bidding looks a bit fishy, one guy has a ton of bids, very low feedback and 4 bid retractions in 6 months <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

Very cool car though, I say if it checks out, 60 is all the money for it, as it will take a bunch to restore it correctly and you will be upside down for a while <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif my prediction, the add gets pulled.

[supercomp 8.90]

is this a killer picture or what? http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-1481-25530-tty.png

[Postsedan]

I would go make it road worthy and drive it just as is <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/burnout.gif

Dan

[scuncio]

If there's a buyer at $87k it ain't me...but I will stay in it in case it goes reasonable. I'd just drive it as-is with some cleanup. My kind of ride.

[sixt9rsx33]

Cool car. Would like to see the engine compartment in keeping with the exterior....worn....Too bad the original parts others mentioned are not still with the car.

[mr 707]

with a born with drivetrain 50k is a great price with original documentation and original owner known. its going higher.

[watk69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mr 707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">with a born with drivetrain 50k is a great price with original documentation and original owner known. its going higher. </div></div>

I have to agree

[watk69]

at 80k now with 8 hours to go

[miket1]

Winning Bid $80,100.,

[SS427]

Unreal!

[MosportGreen66]

With the high # of bids I just don't see it being authentic...

[1969l78]

I bet its relisted......

[TMagda]

There was one very much like this one in my neighborhood growing up. It had &quot;Lil' Skunk&quot; painted on the trunk lid.

[Mr70]

Tmagda
That sounds like the Jim Dimetro's black LS-5 that he bought brand new back then.

[SS427]

I could see it if this were 2005 but not 2015. That price would be insane today.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

It is so easy to bid up your own auction on ebay using friends and then after it is over cancel the transaction between the Buyer and Seller and get refunded for the fees and then go re list it again to try and look for a fish.
I see so many 70 Chevelles marked in the <span style="color: #009900">GREEN</span> as sold and many of those cars come back for sale within a week or two.

Ebay is full of bid shilling and I am betting this car is one of them.

[markinnaples]

Not to mention just flat out non-paying bidders. Happens all the time on lower priced stuff, I imagine it happens even more on higher prices stuff.

[TMagda]

It was kept at the gas staion next to Swanky Franks. I was 11 or 12 and would ride my bike over there just to look at it.

[MrMotion]

I guess that this car's selling value shows that people have left money on the table with previous sales of restored vehicles.The older a solid lifter musclercar gets, the more expensive it will be to buy!

[Donnie]

I think it just shows there are still people out there with more money than common sense.

[SS427]

Personally I think Danny is likely right on this one. I am not seeing many restored LS6's bring that kind of money and even survivors are not that close. Take the green/green one that was sold he last year for considerably less money. I cannot see someone paying that much for this car but I could be wrong. If someone did, major congratulations to the seller!

[SeattleCarGuy]

I don't think that car was too far out of acceptable range on price. If a guy can do a lot of the restoration labor himself, he won't be too far underwater when done and other than not having a factory tach, that car had all the desirable options in my book, namely Black paint, M-22 and 4.10's. When done, very desirable and you don't find a lot of black cars for sale. Great car.

I would have bid, but my wife knows where my guns are and she'd have come out shooting if I brought that home right now. Already upset her with the last two I bought.

[SS427]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SeattleCarGuy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't think that car was too far out of acceptable range on price. </div></div>

I now have that in writing so when I find you that car you have been wanting I do not want to hear an argument. J/K <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif
Rick

[Late BrakeU2]

When I was selling the pilot LS6 in Scottsdale a few years back, I had a nice chat with a Canadian fellow who was a big Chevelle collector. If memory serves he had around six or seven LS6 coupes- every one was black. Not that he was a buyer of this one(maybe) point being that color makes some folks arms stretch much longer than for other flavors.

[427TJ]

Wait ten years. We just might see this car as a bargain at 80K.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait ten years. We just might see this car as a bargain at 80K. </div></div>

In 10 years will the younger generation care for these cars as most muscle car owners are up there in age right now?
We will see.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

In 10 years will the younger generation care for these cars as most muscle car owners are up there in age right now?
We will see. </div></div>

NO..older folks will be selling them off to pay for their retirement dropping the price down&gt;&gt;&gt;guys who instead of saving for retirement in their younger years spent all their money on cars ( I know plenty of guys like that).. not enough interest in younger guys.

The American dream is no longer for much of the younger population...sad that's a fact. A small amount of guys who have done well will have huge collections in the future..already seeing it

The golden age of the hobby was 2000-2006..will never come back.

[supercomp 8.90]

the auction looked fishy numbers hanging in the 50,000 area for days then somebody smacks a 80thou bid looks like somebody may have set a trap??

[miket1]

It seems most ebay auctions go this way the LS6 was at $80k the day before it ended then didnt change
I bought some parts on ebay last week and the price jumped twice in the last minute of the auction

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait ten years. We just might see this car as a bargain at 80K. </div></div>

In 10 years will the younger generation care for these cars as most muscle car owners are up there in age right now?
We will see. </div></div>

I think it is fair to say that there are younger people wanting in the hobby of these cars but due to life, kids and the expense of these machines it drives most away.. You also have to understand that there is a new age musclecar era. Granted, not as great as the 60's &amp; 70's. I think in large part it was the cars that people grew up with that forge that bond with these rides. I believe that the knowledge of these cars will drop considerably over time mainly due in part of younger people just wanting the car and not caring about the heritage.. I know in my case, all of my friends are people I grew up with that knew my father and were at the swap meets, car shows and in the car scene during my adolescence. We have a common interest and bond with cars. I know I have felt and still feel that I grew up in the wrong era; as my interests are considerably different than most my age. As you said time will tell the tale but I do not see it looking that promising. Just my $0.02

[RS_COPO_Canuck]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait ten years. We just might see this car as a bargain at 80K. </div></div>

In 10 years will the younger generation care for these cars as most muscle car owners are up there in age right now?
We will see. </div></div>

Ahh - the same thing me and others have been discussing for the last 10 years. There is a younger contingent following us baby-boomers. Some are very wealthy and buying the top-end stuff....and others just love the stuff because of their parents have the cars. Problem is....they only make up a small percentage of the generation (probably most of us on here) that have, live and breathe these cars. I think the musclecars will eventually go the way of the Model T....maybe not as sharply....because these cars were part of a social phenomenon when new and have a more emotional draw to them. ZL1's, Z's, L88's, Hemi E-bodies, LS6's - etc.......I think (IMHO) there will always be a strong market for a good, rare, desirable car......the rest will fare ok....but not at the crazy prices of a few years ago.

[SeattleCarGuy]

Couple of things:

Rick - when I am ready for an LS6 Chevelle, I'll ask your help in finding the right one or verifying one that I find. It is definitely on my list of cars to own. Appreciate all you have done for me already.

All - I'm 45 years old and have the &quot;future value&quot; argument with my wife all the time when I buy another car. She thinks the cars will be worthless in the future because most of my immediate peers in age think they are &quot;kinda cool&quot; when they see them in my garage, but otherwise, most of my friends aren't really into them. At this point, I told her that I didn't really care. I love '60's Chevy musclecars and I told her I have ten cars I want to own and keep. I have 4 of them now. She says as long as I pay for everything else she wants in the meantime, she will put up with it. When I said I'd pay $80k for this Chevelle, I was figuring it would cost me another $50k to do it pretty much right with my labor for most items, some specialized stuff done by Rick Nelson, and paint by my local guy. So, if I was into a black, real LS6 4 speed, 4.10 car for $130k, I might be a bit underwater, but I would be fine with that. I don't know what the future will bring on these values, but I love the cars and I'm happy being in this hobby. Few hobbies leave with you any value at the end of the day, but a collector car is still an asset that can be sold. I remember being a drag racer and burning through cash breaking parts and rebuilding cars. At least with the collector cars, you don't break them over and over.

Long live the hobby!

[SS427]

The way you restore you cars Paul, you will not be underwater at $130k especially on a black car.

[the427king]

Im not so sure the future s bleak for these cars, based on the model T argument of people dying off . After all those that plunk down 4.5M for a P51 Mustang weren't even born yet to fly one in WW2

[Tracker1]

So is this one worth it?

Blue eBay LS6 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Chevelle-SS/131511181459?_trksid=p2045573.c100033.m2042&amp;_trkpa rms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc% 3D20131017132637%26meid%3Daba65d6c66464ffb8214f337 9e71fb8d%26pid%3D100033%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D 131511181459)

[leach]

In that ebay ad on the Astro Blue LS-6 is the window sticker original one or not don't remember special domed hood from the factory would of thought regular hood or cowl induction hood what do you experts think. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif

[BLACKLS5]

I'm no expert but I follow '70 Chevelles religiously. I would think that would be a solid buy if, and that's a BIG if, the engine, trans, rear axle are born with units. I see the exhaust manifolds are wrong and obviously the smog is missing. Too bad it doesn't have Cowl Ind. and Black stripes...JMO

[novadude]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 427TJ</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wait ten years. We just might see this car as a bargain at 80K. </div></div>

In 10 years will the younger generation care for these cars as most muscle car owners are up there in age right now?
We will see. </div></div>

There a lot of us &quot;Gen X&quot; guys in our 40's that also have a real appreciation for these cars. Remember - before the prices got out of hand, a young guy could afford to buy a cool Chevelle, Camaro, GTO. At the time, they were 15 yr old cars on their 3rd or 4th owner. 60s muscle is what all us &quot;gearheads&quot; wanted and/or drove as teens in the 1980s. We recall these cars with the same fondness as the baby boomers that bought them new.

Not sure about what will happen when we are gone? I don't know many people in their early 20s, but the few guys I do know could care less about any of these cars.

[Ryan1969Chevelle]

My 2 cents.

I am a 1972 model.....a forty something guy and am Muscle car crazy, my uncle asked me last night &quot;why do you love these cars so much you weren't born when your car was new&quot;.......I don't have an answer but I do love these old cars:-)

PS: That LS6 would tick a lot of boxes for a lot of people.........supply and demand will keep the prices up there for special cars.

Ryan

[XXXGoldL34M20]

I wonder if the build sheet is still in the car somewhere in that Blue LS6?

[Mr70]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: leach</div><div class="ubbcode-body">In that ebay ad on the Astro Blue LS-6 is the window sticker original one or not don't remember special domed hood from the factory would of thought regular hood or cowl induction hood what do you experts think. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/flag.gif </div></div>

The W/S is legit.
The non functional domed hood is the standard SS hood.All 1970 SS Chevelles got them,unless the customer specified to upgrade for the working cowl ind. flapper door hood and pay extra for RPO ZL-2.
Regular Chevelle Flat hood was not possible on a Super Sport.



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That Blue LS6 has a questionable Window sticker as Chevrolet usually calls out the Bucket seats as an Option and this window sticker does not have the bucket seat option.
No Cowl Induction option, No Gauges, No Smog equipment equals a non desirable car. $ speed is a good thing though.
Is there a build sheet? If there is no build sheet the POP has no pull what's so ever on documenting the car and if the window sticker is not real then this car is way over priced.

If it does have a build sheet then the car is priced fairly at $80K
Just my 2 cents.</div></div>

The legit W/S shows A-51 Strato-Bucket Front Seats.

[markinnaples]

My step-son is almost 15 yo, and he is muscle car crazy. He loves all cars, exotics, diesel trucks (so big now it's crazy at least here in SWFL), but most of all, old Muscle cars. He loves the FnF franchise and watches them literally tons of times no matter how many times he sees it and he's disappointed if there's more story than racing (F-7 was a disappointment to him), and he is more obsessed with my '68 Camaro than I am (well, almost). If there are more out there like him, the hobby will never die, and the old cars, although they may fluctuate just like any other commodity (of which they have become whether we like it or not), will at least maintain their values if not grow at a reasonable rate. Life is cyclical, as is pretty much everything, but the cars from the (first?) Golden Age of muscle cars will never be worthless and will, I believe, maintain their values very well in the future.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That Blue LS6 has a questionable Window sticker as Chevrolet usually calls out the Bucket seats as an Option and this window sticker does not have the bucket seat option.
No Cowl Induction option, No Gauges, No Smog equipment equals a non desirable car. $ speed is a good thing though.
Is there a build sheet? If there is no build sheet the POP has no pull what's so ever on documenting the car and if the window sticker is not real then this car is way over priced.

If it does have a build sheet then the car is priced fairly at $80K
Just my 2 cents.</div></div>

The legit W/S shows A-51 Strato-Bucket Front Seats.
[/quote]

Rick my bad eyes, I re read the ad then deleted that comment, but you Quoted it quickly. It is in fact a legit Window sticker. I wonder if the cars build sheet is still somewhere in the car?

[novadude]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Ryan1969Chevelle</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My 2 cents.

I am a 1972 model.....a forty something guy and am Muscle car crazy, my uncle asked me last night &quot;why do you love these cars so much you weren't born when your car was new&quot;.......I don't have an answer but I do love these old cars:-)

PS: That LS6 would tick a lot of boxes for a lot of people.........supply and demand will keep the prices up there for special cars.

Ryan </div></div>

1972 model here too. My Chevy II was born 7 yrs before I was. <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif

[markjohnson]

So POP's have no pull without a build sheet? Really? I think the Astro Blue car is very desirable despite not having a Cowl hood or gauges and I'm sure plenty of other people think so also.

[whitetop]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im not so sure the future s bleak for these cars, based on the model T argument of people dying off . After all those that plunk down 4.5M for a P51 Mustang weren't even born yet to fly one in WW2 </div></div>

Not the same..P-51's are exceedingly rare.. The top of the line rare musclecars will keep their worth just like the vintage foreign cars but the rank and file cars.. no way.

You all also need to realize in 10-12 years driverless cars are gonna be common and there might be a day after that we will not be able to drive our cars on public roads unless it is also made driverless.

A guy near my brother was into stock Model T's died a few years ago..kids sold the stuff for cheap..no one wanted it...sat on the stuff for a couple years until they finally realized they had to drop the price to dump it...and their prices were not high to begin with.

[cook_dw]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
You all also need to realize in 10-12 years driverless cars are gonna be common and <span style="font-weight: bold">there might be a day after that we will not be able to drive our cars on public roads unless it is also made driverless</span>.
</div></div>


I hope I dont live long enough to see that become reality..

[Late BrakeU2]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: whitetop</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: the427king</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Im not so sure the future s bleak for these cars, based on the model T argument of people dying off . After all those that plunk down 4.5M for a P51 Mustang weren't even born yet to fly one in WW2 </div></div>

Not the same..P-51's are exceedingly rare.. The top of the line rare musclecars will keep their worth just like the vintage foreign cars but the rank and file cars.. no way.

You all also need to realize in 10-12 years driverless cars are gonna be common and there might be a day after that we will not be able to drive our cars on public roads unless it is also made driverless.

A guy near my brother was into stock Model T's died a few years ago..kids sold the stuff for cheap..no one wanted it...sat on the stuff for a couple years until they finally realized they had to drop the price to dump it...and their prices were not high to begin with. </div></div>

Model T's and Autopia cars don't have 500ft pound or 4:10s- both of those were/are for people who ride buses and trains. There will always be some who don't fit in to that box- if it's over why are the Bandit T/A's blowing up?. 35+ years later some are banking it ain't over-
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-81-Pontiac-...67e&amp;vxp=mtr (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1977-81-Pontiac-Trans-AM-Firebird-Body-Shell-Bandit-TA-1978-1979-1980-/111653721726?hash=item19ff14967e&amp;vxp=mtr)

[watk69]

My kids are treehuggers that live in SF and drive Volts, but even they are salivating at the thought of coming home for the holidays and seeing Daddy's 69 Z he picked up this spring

[MosportGreen66]

That Astro Blue LS6 is awesome... Looks so unsuspecting. Amazing. To me the exhaust manifolds, missing smog, and a host of other smaller items are trivial. You can get all of those items in the course of a week...

For what its worth, I'm 28 years old and own an original '69 Z28 and '70 LT1 Corvette Convertible with my younger brother (who is also a member). We're about as rare as that Astro Blue LS6. My brother and I are always actively looking for parts and cars. I grew up on the show fields of NCRS and Bloomington meets and have met countless members at shows like MCACN, BJ, and Russo Steele, etc. I'll own vintage muscle cars and classics for the rest of my life.

Being said, I have lots of friends who are into cars (mainly Euro exotics) but not one who is remotely interested in the vintage mods, original numbers matching, dated components, etc. My friends like driving in my cars but we've all heard the gig - they're loud, smell bad, can't charge your phone in them, don't have a sunroof, etc, etc.

The future of the hobby will be uncertain for the Gen Y crowd. I will admit, the generation just slightly older than I am... The Gen X crowd with discretionary income, however, in my opinion, will continue to spend big $ on cars because they're art work. This is the generation spending six figures on restorations with multiple cars. The population of members who fit that bill far trump the participation from my fellow gen y folk.

Dan

[notstock71]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: markinnaples</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> If there are more out there like him, the hobby will never die</div></div>

I have 2 here, 10 and 13, who love muscle, customs, trucks, motorcycles, you name it. 13 y/o is getting impatient on starting his Nova project. 10 y/o is determined to have a Mustang. There are plenty of young ones who share our passion for cars.

[SeattleCarGuy]

I am 45, but my little guy will be 6 in a couple weeks, He loves classic cars so far, or at least he's willing to go to car shows with me.http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-5898-25826-083.jpg
http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/pics/usergals/2015/05/full-5898-25827-017.jpg

[old5.0]

Something to keep in mind is that the automobile is well over 100 years old at this point, so the number of choices available to a young person getting into the hobby are astronomical. The WWII generation was into hot rods because that's what they had. Fast forward to the Boomers and you'll find a few hot rodders, but primarily musclecar guys because that's what they grew up with.


Now? How about a 55 Ford? 62 Impala? 70 Road Runner? Maybe an SS396 Chevelle is out of your price range, but what about a two-door Malibu, of either the A- or G-body persuasion, with a hot small block? No? Well then how about an 80 Trans Am? Ditch that weak suck 301 for a 455 and raise hell. Or maybe an LS swap is more your speed. Not really? How about an 85 Mustang GT? You can buy the nicest one on earth for less than 15 grand and another couple g's spent wisely will get you a drivable 10 second street sweeper. Even thirty years later, they're still the best bang for the buck around.


But Fox bodies aren't your bag, huh? Ok, so how's about an LT1 4th Gen? They're at the bottom of the depreciation curve right now and the LT1 is a solid platform. But you know what? The later 4th gens with the LS-Juan aren't <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> much more than the LT-powered versions, so why not spring for an '01 WS6 Trans Am? Lucky enough to have indulgent parents with a decent sized bankroll? So get <span style="font-style: italic">them</span> to spring for a new Mustang GT or Camaro SS.


American V8's not really doing it for you? Okay, what about a turbo'd Civic? Put it together for chump change. Mk. III Supra? Z-car? Early RX-7 with a SBC swap? How about a used Genesis coupe? Or one of those Subaru BRZ's? Lancer Evo? WRX STI? Nothing?


Okay, what about a diesel truck? Hot rod VW Bug? P71 Crown Vic's are a dime-a-dozen and that junkyard 32-valve modular slides right in. Slap a used blower on it and go stomp M5's on the LA-to-Vegas run. None of this ringing a bell? Okay, scrape the change out of your couch, get a tetanus shot and go drag that 38 Plymouth coupe out of Farmer Johnson's pasture.


The point is that young people today have exponentially greater choice in hot-rod material than their parents and grandparents had. The longer they keep making cars, the more choices each successive generation will have and the more fractured and &quot;niche&quot; the hobby will become. It's just the passage of time and there's no way around it.

[SS427]

Odds are very definitely yes though likely VERY hard to read.

[firstgenaddict]

I'm also a 1972 model and grew up around cars, my father collects pre WWII flathead Fords and my former Father In law collects 20's and older ranging from a 1905 Cadillac to a 1925 Lincoln Dual Cowl Phaeton, the more disposable income the younger generation accumulates the more expensive toys they will be buying.
My dad recently bought my 15 Y/o nephew a 1967 Chevelle coupe which they are going to work on together, although he had never really expressed much interest in cars... my dad asked him what kind of car he wanted and he said a Royal Plum 67 Chevelle. We were floored, apparently he had been eying them for years.


BTW Ken Bender... same dealership which sold the 70 RAIII M21 4.33 Judge Conv I painted 15 years ago.

[Keith Seymore]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: old5.0</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something to keep in mind is that the automobile is well over 100 years old at this point, so the number of choices available to a young person getting into the hobby are astronomical. The WWII generation was into hot rods because that's what they had. Fast forward to the Boomers and you'll find a few hot rodders, but primarily musclecar guys because that's what they grew up with.


Now? How about a 55 Ford? 62 Impala? 70 Road Runner? Maybe an SS396 Chevelle is out of your price range, but what about a two-door Malibu, of either the A- or G-body persuasion, with a hot small block? No? Well then how about an 80 Trans Am? Ditch that weak suck 301 for a 455 and raise hell. Or maybe an LS swap is more your speed. Not really? How about an 85 Mustang GT? You can buy the nicest one on earth for less than 15 grand and another couple g's spent wisely will get you a drivable 10 second street sweeper. Even thirty years later, they're still the best bang for the buck around.


But Fox bodies aren't your bag, huh? Ok, so how's about an LT1 4th Gen? They're at the bottom of the depreciation curve right now and the LT1 is a solid platform. But you know what? The later 4th gens with the LS-Juan aren't <span style="font-style: italic">that</span> much more than the LT-powered versions, so why not spring for an '01 WS6 Trans Am? Lucky enough to have indulgent parents with a decent sized bankroll? So get <span style="font-style: italic">them</span> to spring for a new Mustang GT or Camaro SS.


American V8's not really doing it for you? Okay, what about a turbo'd Civic? Put it together for chump change. Mk. III Supra? Z-car? Early RX-7 with a SBC swap? How about a used Genesis coupe? Or one of those Subaru BRZ's? Lancer Evo? WRX STI? Nothing?


Okay, what about a diesel truck? Hot rod VW Bug? P71 Crown Vic's are a dime-a-dozen and that junkyard 32-valve modular slides right in. Slap a used blower on it and go stomp M5's on the LA-to-Vegas run. None of this ringing a bell? Okay, scrape the change out of your couch, get a tetanus shot and go drag that 38 Plymouth coupe out of Farmer Johnson's pasture.


The point is that young people today have exponentially greater choice in hot-rod material than their parents and grandparents had. The longer they keep making cars, the more choices each successive generation will have and the more fractured and &quot;niche&quot; the hobby will become. It's just the passage of time and there's no way around it. </div></div>

That is an excellent point, and one that I don't think I've ever heard voiced before.

K

[DW31S]

Wow! I think one of the things I am surprised most about this conversation is that Dan is only 28!!! I mean that in a good way. I, too, think that there are a number of younger guys who will pass the torch. Is the market back? On some stuff it is better. There are cycles in this hobby and now Oldsmobiles are hot; I'm glad, not only because I have a couple and have been with them all of my life (so far), but because they were the step-child for years. What is cooler than a '66 W-30. designed specifically to dominate C/S? Mopars were hot and they cooled off; what is next? I don't REALLY know, but we need to follow the market to protect our &quot;investments&quot;. I've NEVER bought a car solely as an &quot;investment&quot;, although many have done better than my REAL investments. I HAVE to LOVE a car in order to buy it! I think as a group, most of us are good ambassadors of this hobby/passion, but we can do better to get the younger people interested. Maybe Dan and/or Jed can give us some ideas on how to &quot;target&quot; there age group to make them more aware of the cars us graybeards cherish. I think the term &quot;NOSTALGIA&quot; is all relative as it depends on what age you are at this point in time. What is nostalgic to us is &quot;antique&quot; to someone younger than us. I, for one, gladly take the time to explain and interact with the next generation when it comes to these cars, and I appreciate and am grateful that my dad and others did the same for me.

[scuncio]

Aaaaannnnnd....it's back up for sale:

http://tinyurl.com/mqwb496

[luzl78]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aaaaannnnnd....it's back up for sale:

http://tinyurl.com/mqwb496

</div></div>you knew that was coming.

[RST]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RST</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: budnate</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Dunno Tony, I get bad vibes from the add a inspection would be in order before bidding, pictures are so bad and nothing a guy really needs to see to get the warm fuzzy going is posted.... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/thumbsdown.gif </div></div>

Agreed, I also see he wants 87K .......... its good to want : ) He better step up with much more detailed pictures, some video and hire someone reputable to inspect and report on the car. I also think the bidding looks a bit fishy, one guy has a ton of bids, very low feedback and 4 bid retractions in 6 months <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/frown.gif

Very cool car though, I say if it checks out, 60 is all the money for it, as it will take a bunch to restore it correctly and you will be upside down for a while <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif my prediction, the add gets pulled. </div></div>

Well we called it <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/smile.gif No surprise here ........... I still say the real money is $60K

[mr 707]

thats a real ouchy. Some guys really called it on the button. When you fake bid you lose credibility on a re- list.

[XXXGoldL34M20]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is so easy to bid up your own auction on ebay using friends and then after it is over cancel the transaction between the Buyer and Seller and get refunded for the fees and then go re list it again to try and look for a fish.
I see so many 70 Chevelles marked in the <span style="color: #009900">GREEN</span> as sold and many of those cars come back for sale within a week or two.

Ebay is full of bid shilling and I am betting this car is one of them. </div></div>

I called it <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/biggthumpup.gif <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/haha.gif

[SS427]

I think most of us called it.

[camaromb]

Just like most of the auctions these days, bid it up with fake bids, no real money, didn't meet reserve...

[Rixls6]

I would think that the seller would show pictures of the engine stampings to help drive the interest of some REAL buyers, at least. Saying it's the original, and seeing it, are sometimes a completely different animal.
New listing link:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Chevelle-LS-6-/281695537834?vxp=mtr

[Jim Ferron]

If you have a legit window sticker...of what additional value would having the build sheet be? [other than more is better] It's as easy to fake a BS as a WS right? This is a question not an opinion....



<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: XXXBlackLs6M22</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wonder if the build sheet is still in the car somewhere in that Blue LS6? </div></div>

[mr 707]

the seller has kinda changed his add saying engine was rebuit recently. If it was me i would have left it the way it was running or not.

[RST]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mr 707</div><div class="ubbcode-body">the seller has kinda changed his add saying engine was rebuit recently. If it was me i would have left it the way it was running or not. </div></div>

Agreed, we have seen a lot of rebuilds that are horrible and actually create issues that can be very damaging!

[SS427]

This car was out west a couple of years ago when I looked into it and was then owned by David L and was for sale. He was asking top dollar for it and had to be put back together so I can somewhat see why the current owner is asking what he is as he is likely not making much after all the work he obviously had done to it. The original engine was found in a 68 Camaro race car and David had to buy the Camaro to get the motor. It appeared to have been decked though you can still make out the car's 10A141831 VIN and can just barely see the CRV Tonawanda stamp. Though not a very nice stamp I believe it to be original. It has obviously been gone through from one end to the other since I saw it and appears to have had a lot of the rust repaired when compared to the photos that I have from several years ago. I do not believe this car can be considered a survivor but is pretty cool none the less.

[Rixls6]

The ad for the car would lead me to believe that there wasn't ever that kind of rust in it at one time, like what that picture above shows it did.

[427TJ]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Aaaaannnnnd....it's back up for sale:

http://tinyurl.com/mqwb496

</div></div>

At least he's not messing around this time and started it at 89. (Crickets...)

Edit: Just saw the rusty 1/4 photo. Same car??? Wow. I retract my &quot;wait ten years&quot; statement on this car.

[whitetop]

A friend of mine wants to sell his 454 Chevelle. He bought it in 1970 from the original owner, sold it in the late 80's and bought it back maybe 3-4 years ago..still has original paint on it-never repainted.
The original front fenders had quarter sized rust hole sat the bottom so he bought new ones back in the early 80's and they now have a coat of rust on them.

Original block but heads and intake are different. Rear and tranny original

PM and I will pass along your info

[whitetop]

email me at [email protected]

[whitetop]

More old pics

[SS427]

Love em!