Rebody

[JBALL]

SYC Community,

I purchased a 1968 Z/28 from Stefano Bimbi @ Nickey Registry on July 16th 2014. It was advertised here as a real car but without the original engine and transmission. (Link Below) I paid $32,000 for the car and took delivery in early August 2014.

I had the car at a reputable shop in May of 2015 for some work and it was discovered that the sub-frame had extensive rust damage but the body was in stellar condition. The shop called to tell me that this is usually the sign of a rebody. The shop confirmed threw the hidden VIN that the car is in fact a rebody. This was NOT disclosed at the time of the purchase.

At the MCACN show November 2014, I was able to meet the previous owner of the car and I got a bunch of paperwork that went along with the car. I went back through all the documents and sure enough the shop that performed the restoration performed a rebody. In fact, I have a receipt to prove this.

Two weeks ago, I contacted Stefano and made him aware of the situation. He offered to take the car back and resell it with proper rebody disclosure. No questions asked.

He has since changed his mind and told me that he would be glad to help <span style="text-decoration: underline">ME</span> sell the car and I would have to pay to get the car back to Chicago. He informed me that he and previous owner have no liability in the situation.

I was under the impression that anything posted here for sale would have to be backed up by the seller?

I have all documents to prove my situation.

All opinions gratefully accepted.

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[Charley Lillard]

For now please let only the involved parties post.

[JBALL]

Guys,

I thought this was a public forum? I just asked for opinions. We are both entitled to our factual opinions.

Also, I thought the seller was supposed to refund for any unsatisfactory purchases that were posted here?

I have the documentation over the past two weeks that I have tried to get this resolved.

I purchased this car from Stefano. No one else.

Thanks,

Jason

[Charley Lillard]

It is a public forum and I have heard from both of you privately. I would like Stefano to post his response. In November 14 you got paperwork on the car and in the paperwork was the rebody. You continue to use the car for the next 7 months and now decide you want a refund. My understanding is Stefano offered to sell the car for you at no charge with full disclosure back then but you weren't worried about it.

[ds1]

Ugh car dealers. So sorry

[JBALL]

That is not a true statement Charlie.

I received the packet of paperwork in November. I had no reason to go through this information looking for information pertaining to a rebody. This was simply a packet of information in case I ever needed to sell the car. I’m an admitted novice. I’m not sure I would have known to even look for that. Keep in mind, I thought I had purchased a “restored” car.

May 2015 – I took the car to Dave McGaffee to have some work done. Upon inspection, Dave notice the extensive rust damage to the sub frame. Once he contacted me, I went through the paperwork. This is when I found the information on the ”body swap”. Dave had to explain to me what this meant. He then checked the hidden VIN and confirmed.

I then reached out to Stefano. He asked to see the proof and I provided him with the documentation.

Weather is bad here in Ohio from November through March. The car sat until I could get it to Columbus.

This still does not change the fact that this car was falsely advertised. Period.

I will wait for a response.

Thanks,

Jason Ball

[JBALL]

Charlie,

I'm simply following the rules posted here.

Can you comment on the satisfaction guarantee that is mentioned below?



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[ne70ss]

You are right Jason. It states &quot;we still have the satisfaction guarantee rule. If it is yours you need to stand behind what you are selling or risk being able to post here.&quot;

[scuncio]

I'm not sure why any of us feels the need to voice our opinions (and they are no more than opinions) when this is between Jason and Stefano, and possibly Charley. It's an unfortunate situation and our comments are irrelevant in resolving the situation. Yes, I realize the irony of this statement in the context of having replied to this thread myself. I see these kinds of situations deteriorating very quickly when everyone piles in on a public forum.

And Des, I think Jason's point in calling out the winter weather was to imply that he didn't drive it for most of the time he's owned it.

I hope you guys can resolve this amicably.

[Tracker1]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: scuncio</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm not sure why any of us feels the need to voice our opinions (and they are no more than opinions) when this is between Jason and Stefano, </div></div>

Because he asked for them.

[SuperNovaSS]

Charley asked everyone specifically to stay out if this for the time being. Seeing he owns the site, I think any opinions posted are disrespectful to him. Also, rarely are all the facts spelled out on this type of post so I imagine there are other factors at play. I plan to keep my mouth shut until told I can do otherwise(ironically, after this post).


Jason

[Stefano]

Sorry for the delay, I read Jason's post earlier but had a family event, which is now over.

I have been part of the Yenko club and this website for more than 13 years. We do strive for honesty and integrity as well as to treat all customers in a fair and respectful manor and just the same way we/I would want to be treated under similar circumstances.

This situation went from campfire kumbaya to defcon III in less than 24 hours.
Some of the info provided is accurate, some is not and some is still unknown at this point.

Up until this past Friday afternoon, I had thought we were on the same page.

&quot;Nickey&quot; did act as agent broker for the 1968 Camaro Jason purchased.

There is a contract which governs the transaction as well as provides a remedy for potential disputes.

There are, multiple, emails, facebook messages, PMs, texts and phone conversations regarding this issue and most all point towards acceptance and resolution until Jason abruptly changed his mind. I have always intended to try and resolve the issue and per his agreement I thought we had.

It turns out that he wants to go to GoodGuys and buy another car, so he made some demands which IMO are not reasonable and he furthermore threatened to tarnish our good name and reputation if I did not meet those demands, immediately.

He informed me that he had legal representation as well as other &quot;experts&quot; and that if I did not meet his demands that he would start a smear campaign on the Internet to includeYenko.net. I advised that I take all threats about our business and reputation seriously and that it was better to work it out between us, but he chose to end the conversation/communication.

We would never knowingly sell anyone a bad car or a rebody without full disclosure. Whether a $32,000.00 or a $320,000.00 car.

We always recommend an independent inspection and opinion other than our own.

I am sorry that this has happened but we did not do anything illegal, immoral or unethical. We did not falsely advertise or miss-represent the car. I as well as the consignor knew nothing about the car being rebodied.


Jason even agreed that had he known up front he would have still purchased the car and had no issues because it was not a numbers matching car.

This is a complicated situation as, there is a lien holder and a title to be purified. The fact that there are two vins on the car subjects it to an inspection by the Secretary of State police. Jason has driven and used and modified the car for a year/season.

Just as a point of info, Jason did contact Bob Trez, one of the prior owners, long before this became an issue who did inform him that he &quot;believed&quot; the car had been rebodied during the restoration. It would have been appropriate to have this info sooner rather than later.

[Charley Lillard]

I am unlocking so Jball can respond then I am locking it up. Those of us on the outside only know a fraction of the details. There are two sides to every story. Apparently the legal system will decide so I am locking this thread. None of us can give a qualified opinion without all the facts. It can be unlocked if either of the parties need to respond but please keep it between the involved parties.

[COPO CARTEL]

Last time I am going to ask CopoCartel. Please take my message seriously.

[JBALL]

Ok,

Couple of points:

1. I never threatened Stefano or Nickey with a &quot;smear&quot; campaign.

All I said is if he took the car back there would be no mention on Facebook or Yenko and he could resell the car with a disclosure. I was trying to keep this between him and I.

2. Fact: I was sold a car with two VIN's. The Bill of Sale i have does not match this car due to hidden VIN's.
3. Fact: I found out about the rebody <span style="font-weight: bold">AFTER</span> the purchase of the mentioned vehicle.

4. Fact: Stefano and I did chat, he offered me a new sub frame and an N34 wheel to make this go away. After speaking to my wife and explaining that we can't legally sell the car as is and speaking with others, I realized keeping the car was not a viable option.
5. The legal system of The Attorney General, State Police, and Dealer of Motor Vehicle Bureau will resolve this situation.

End of discussion.

[Stefano]

I would like to make another attempt to resolve the issue at hand.

Return the car to our facility, so that we can inspect the the car along with the proper authorities. The Secretary of State visits us on a regular basis.

We will disclose any issues we find and resell the car and not charge for our services.

It is my opinion that if you get it back to us right away, we can sell it relatively soon for what you paid.

It's a good Camaro for the money and we know it's got a good body on it.