ZL-1 #53

[69SSZL1]

This ZL-1 just came up on ebay, near me in Encinitas Ca.
ZL-1 #53 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-1-of-the-69-ORIGINAL-ZL-1s-/221861075276?forcerrptr=true&hash=item33a7f3594c&i tem=221861075276)

[Lynn]

Should left it like this:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/481449/1

[camarojoe]

Those tires are sweet.

[MailOrderMotion]

S.B. trans cross member ?

[Fast67VelleN2O]

What's with the gloss painted Muncie and bell housing?

[L78M22Rag]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lynn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should left it like this:

http://www.yenko.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/481449/1 </div></div>

I agree!

[x77-69z28]

X3

[Craig_Maiorana]

I second and triple that it should have stayed in its drag race trim ... I'm sure that car wore that look for a long time. To put it back stock is almost criminal ... either way STILL COOL <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[L78M22Rag]

Certain cars actually go down in value once they're restored... IMHO.

[Charley Lillard]

The list of people that will pay real money for a ZL1 in race trim is very short. A good example is the green ZL1 sold at Russo last year for 3 something. Whoever bought it can restore it back to stock and actually make a profit.

[markinnaples]

I agree with Charley; most people want a collector car they can drive to a local show or cruise and show off to their friends. I'm a big Day Two guy, but a serious race car has limited desirability because you can't just jump in it and go get some ice cream if you want whenever you want. JMHO.

[watk69]

one must assume as well, it is minus it &quot;born with&quot; engine


Clif

[427.060]

The show board mentions that it is a replacement block.
James

[YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY]

I think the vintage race look is cool as well, but unless that race trim has pedigree it will only devalue the car. For example, compare this car in race trim to Malcom Durham's Strip Blazer, Barnhart's car or the Harrell ZL1. I'd have put this green back to stock, but obviously would keep Durham's, Barnhart's or Harrell's car in race trim.

[Mr70]

I agree with Marlin..It needs to be a well known raced car with significant history,otherwise put it back to stock trim.
A few years back,someone took a stock Malibu and made it into a vintage dragstrip appearing car.Even lettered the door &amp; all the decals on the fender.Completely fictional..Took it to certain gatherings,and all came up &amp; oooh &amp; ahhed all over it.Some even saying they remember the car from years past.He just smiled &amp; tell fabricated stories about it while shaking their hands,knowing full well their memory wasn't accurate,as he just created it to see the reaction he'd receive.

[bergy]

I asked the seller to send, or post photos of the TT, rear stamp, and body stamps, but the request just bounces back as undeliverable.

[miket1]

I like it.

[kwhizz]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: YENKO DEUCE REGISTRY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think the vintage race look is cool as well, but unless that race trim has pedigree it will only devalue the car. For example, compare this car in race trim to Malcom Durham's Strip Blazer, Barnhart's car or the Harrell ZL1. I'd have put this green back to stock, but obviously would keep Durham's, Barnhart's or Harrell's car in race trim. </div></div>


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[Craig_Maiorana]

I do agree with the theory of If the car is a well known drag car then it should stay that way, but I also believe that if it was an early transformation like say right from the factory to the track then I think it should stay that way. I only say this because it really wasn't ever a street car then. Technically the car lived its life on the track. I do love a stock ZL1, but it is so cool to see something that was bought and immediately transformed with the purpose of kicking butt in the 1/4. With this one having a replacement block I would have stuck with the drag racing livery. I am not in disagreement with anyone here I'm just looking at it from a different perspective. By the way I live for the information everyone on here posts. You are all an inspiration to me being a Generation X'er and I mean no disrespect at all.

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[Charley Lillard]

Of all the ZL1's maybe 10 have their orig. blocks so to me the block does not make that much of a difference in the greater scheme of things.

[Mr70]

Are those maybe 10 held in a higher regard among ZL-1 Camaro buyers?

[William]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of all the ZL1's maybe 10 have their orig. blocks so to me the block does not make that much of a difference in the greater scheme of things. </div></div>

The current number is approximately 19 with the most recent reunion last month. There are 4 OE ZL1 engines not with the car for some reason.

There are 8 OE engines for cars not known to exist.

[Charley Lillard]

I would assume so. Me personally if I had to choose between equally restored cars...One a silver column auto with orig engine and the other a Lemans Blue 4 speed non orig engine....I would take the blue one. If both cars were identical I assume we would all choose the one with orig. engine.

[William]

#6 Cortez Silver automatic with complete OE DT sold for $715,000 at auction this spring, one of the highest prices ever for a ZL1. #14 Le Mans Blue 4-speed w/o OE engine sold for $605,000 at R-S 2013.

[Craig_Maiorana]

Hey Charley is that because you would be more likely to drive the car with the replacement engine or is it because you're more of a 4 speed guy? Just out of curiosity. I would assume there would be a lower price put on that car being not 100% born with parts Correct me if I am mistaken.

[69LM1]

With only 4,000 miles and 90% original interior, and originally a red COPO, Tin Soldier would be worth a heck of a lot more &quot;restored&quot; than in it's drag trim, but man, than would be history lost.

FWIW, Ron just won the Class Nationals in Ohio with the Tin Soldier II this past weekend....

His son Jason whom runs the Tin Soldier III, just opened a race car fab shop in Ohio called Tin Soldier Racecars.

Two generations of history.

Rich

[Charley Lillard]

Column shift auto is a complete turn off for many. If you are going to have a ZL1 you are probably going to want a floor shift.
William... There are others that have gone for more than the 715K. # 3 changed hands at roughly 1.3 mil a few years ago without it's orig. engine. I used to own # 14 and would take it over # 6. I think the lower price was due to the condition difference between the two cars and the auctions. I think the # 1 ZL1 would be a hard sell if it was restored back to column auto compared to it's current race trim. I know of offers over a mil on two cars right now that are sticks.

[Mr70]

Bet KB is one of those two.

[Charley Lillard]

Nope.... And hopefully nobody bugs Ken until he decides he is tired of it.

[JBALL]

William,

Which car was reunited last month?


<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: William</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Charley Lillard</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Of all the ZL1's maybe 10 have their orig. blocks so to me the block does not make that much of a difference in the greater scheme of things. </div></div>

The current number is approximately 19 with the most recent reunion last month. There are 4 OE ZL1 engines not with the car for some reason.

There are 8 OE engines for cars not known to exist.</div></div>

[William]

He has plans to reveal the car at an upcoming show. He has found other original parts for it and is doing what it takes to make the car right. I can't spoil the party.

Nice to see a true enthusiast involved. Not always the case with ZL1s.

[iluv69s]

My old car??

[9SECONDYENKO]

The second owner of the car was Sam Gellner out of Cleveland Ohio he passed away 2 years ago His son is still running their engine shop Gellner engineering on Brookpark Road in Cleveland he had some cool pictures and story from when his dad owned the car my friends dad and uncle bought the car from Sam in the early 70`s and was sold in the mid 70`s and still raced and won a track championship in the early 80`s at Norwalk Raceway.

[SBR]

Are good ZL1s worth more than they were pre recession? To an outsider it seemed like good ones were trading for over a million then corrected down to the 500K range during the recession.

[old5.0]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Are good ZL1s worth more than they were pre recession? To an outsider it seemed like good ones were trading for over a million then corrected down to the 500K range during the recession. </div></div>

Don't remember any hitting seven figures, but it seems like the &quot;Big 3&quot; pony cars, ZL-1's, Boss 429's and Hemi E-Body hardtops have all dropped a ton over the past few years. The Hemi E-Verts are obviously exempt from that drop, to a degree.

[iluv69s]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SBR</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Are good ZL1s worth more than they were pre recession? To an outsider it seemed like good ones were trading for over a million then corrected down to the 500K range during the recession. </div></div>

When I sold my ZL1 a few years ago, im sure I could have done better just a few years earlier...and I believe I did better or as well than I could now....jmo

BTW Charley..or William..wassup w my old car?? When is it going to resurface???
Just curious... <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/dunno.gif

BYW I was promised first pass down the quarter mile when it is done !!! <<GRAEMLIN_URL>>/3gears.gif

[William]

As of January #34 was at Hausfeld Classics in Ohio. It is not on their web site so probably sold. New owners may be wisely under the radar.

[tom406]

Boss 429 prices seem as healthy as ever again with the recent publicized $400k and up sales. The biggest threat to prices seems to be the fact that they're all coming out of the woodwork now. Many longtime owners seem to be cutting them loose with every auction seeming to have 1 or 2 or 3.....