judge 4spd convertible

[black69]

I started hanging out with a new mopar guy in the neighborhood, and I find out he has a 4spd judge convertible.
what, if I may ask, are these cars worth? I am clueless on pontiacs.

[enio45]

ram air III - or IV

[Unreal]

Wow!! Rare as either one. What year? I think in 70 or 71, there were less than 20 Judge Convertibles.

[ds1]

LOW LOW production numbers.

[Jim Ferron]

That is too weird to be true...Like Poncho guy with a Hemi-Cuda in the barn...

You know I have a Judge Convertible too...or at least that's what the guy told me I bought it from. He owned it 10 years..I popped his bubble in ten Minutes..[What he had was a GTO convertible with $150 worth of decals....]

[njsteve]

If it is a real car it is worth a bunch of money. Sadly, they are like 69 Z/28s - there are 10x more now, than there were originally built in 1969. Thankfully PHS has the paperwork to verify if it is a real one or a poser.

17 produced in 1971 all 455HO's.
108 in 1969 (only 5 RAIV ragtops built, all the rest ar RAIII).
168 in 1970 (only 18 or 19 RAIV and 3 455 ragtops built, all the rest are RAIII)

Properly restored with orignal parts, they are six-figure cars all day long. RAIV versions are whatever the market will bear. 1971 ragtops are way up there, too.

Kind of like the price variations in COPO cars when comparing a "restored" car versus a "correctly restored" car with original drivetrain and bulletproof paperwork.

Very rare to find a RAIV car with its original engine - they did not take kindly to being over-revved.

[black69]

I just talked to him, he got it in 1980. he got it from a vietnam vet, who was getting a divorce, and he had to paint early on as the soon to be exwife threw a <span style="font-style: italic">tricycle</span> on it, and scratched it. It's a 70. Original interior, original drivetrain never touched, 50k miles, never any rust. I doubt its a ram air iv, so did not ask.

He said I can drive it in the spring, looking forward to it, its in storage now.

I had no idea they were worth that much. Looking at prices on cars on line now, they seem to hover at $200K asking for restored. Wow.

[njsteve]

What color is it? Big value difference there depending on the color choice.

[black69]

it's red. it sounds like it has some tan-ish interior. I try not to ask too much until I see it in person.

[StealthBird]

If it's a real Judge ragtop, yes, worth 6 figures if it's all there. Like Steve said, many Judges lost their original drivetrain, and there are a thousand or more Judge clones out there, many were done back in the 1980's and now look original today.

If it's red with a &quot;tan-ish&quot; interior, most likely a 1970. They didn't make any Cardinal Red with tan guts 1971 Judge ragtops. If it's a 1969, it would be very unusual if it's Matador Red with a Gold interior.

Mike

[black69]

Yeah, he said it's cardinal red. We are going to look at some mopars in the next month that I know about in hiding that he is interested in, I will chat with him more about the car during the car ride, not to buy it, but to better understand it cause its cool. I looked at pictures on the interweb and they look pretty cool.

Is a RAMairIII pretty quick? The car looks a wee bit heavy (it's a full frame car). I bet my (lighter?) 340 4spd cuda convert with new 391 gears (vs 3:23) would catch it and maybe keep up with it (for atleast a while). Hopefully next year we find out, all for fun.

[firstgenaddict]

My Buddies 70 RAIII Judge Conv has the M21 ands 4.33's it is wicked up to 85-90 MPH

[flyingn]

so its a 70 Cardinal red with parchment interior? Ram air 3.. Sounds like a nice car

[black69]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: flyingn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so its a 70 Cardinal red with parchment interior? Ram air 3.. Sounds like a nice car </div></div>

Yes, I am sure it is. It's still in storage.

[GTO_DON]

They didn't offer parchment interior in 70' sandalwood was as light as you could get..

[firstgenaddict]

Milt Robson had a 70 RAIV Judge Conv Cardinal Red with White top I think it had RED interior. He sold it a few years back at the auction.

[black69]

It's got a white top. He said the interior is called sandlewood.
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo29/xxxblack69/414b17dd-6391-4ed0-a960-3b09a08ac81c_zpshv6ee8nb.jpg (http://s358.photobucket.com/user/xxxblack69/media/414b17dd-6391-4ed0-a960-3b09a08ac81c_zpshv6ee8nb.jpg.html)

[flyingn]

ahh ok. I thought 'off white' was the color the op originally wrote.

[GTO_DON]

That's a spectacular looking car!

[firstgenaddict]

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GTO_DON</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That's a spectacular looking car! </div></div>

X2 Cardinal Red over Sandlewood is a beautiful combo and so much more appealing than black. Appealing desirable and collectible.

Such a Judge if documented as being delivered in the colors yes that would likely be priced at the higher end of the 70 Judge Conv market. given numbers matching etc Meticulous resto the car probably brings 200k+

[black69]

thanks! It was delivered to a dealer in sun prarie wisconsin. He said the dealer folded early when he went to get more history on the car many years ago.

[black69]

My new friend with the judge convertible came over yesterday and told me what I thought was some pretty cool stuff. He had a complete ram air V engine years ago (said they did not make many of them), and he regretted selling it. He said he kept it for a long time, and what he liked about it was that it was dated january which matched the 4spd convert he still has (and maybe if something went wrong with his original engine in that car, he would put this engine in it). He said the engine was actually coded for a 4spd. I just looked on the internet, and what a neat (somewhat complicated) looking engine!

He said he bought the 3 judge convertibles he had back in the 80s when nobody wanted them. Thank god he kept the 4 spd.